If as much effort was put into strenghening the squad (with QUALITY not quantity)as is put into trying to keep these players that will NEVER give 100% at wolves EVER AGAIN, then we will be promoted by Christmas.

You may want to keep your strongest team but if the players like Jarvis and Fletcher don't want to be part of the team they must be sold ASAP for sake of the 'TEAM'!

This includes Berra. If he thinks he is a Prem player even if we all know he does not have that quality we must sell him to anybody who would want him for the best interests of the club going forward.

Its a shame we have to lose our best players and be left with the likes of Berra but if you Mr Morgan had not got it so wrong with not investing in more than Johnson when we only stayed up because Birmingham failed and followed this up by sacking Mick too late and then made a very bad situation worse by putting TC in charge.

You reap what you sow!!

sell em it will pay for the new stand

We must be wary of losing Fletcher and Jarvis on or very near deadline day, we all know if that happens we will be left weakened, we will have lost two key players and the money banked will curiously have disappeared come the January window. We need to decide to decline any offers received after next Saturday, if Fletch and Jarvo are still here by then they must stay. My gut feeling is that Fletcher will be gone by the middle of next week for £15 million and Jarvis by the end of next week.

Agree with mossman. The longer this goes on then it can't help the rest of the team. This transfer window is too long,it would be better for everyone if the window closed before the season started.

Is Jarvis really going to give his all for the team with this going ?

Will Fletcher's ankle keep niggling him until the window closes or he is sold? (if he is sold, I wonder if he will be fit immediately for Sunderland's next game)

We need to get the money in as soon as possible to allow the manager to go out and find replacements.

Make these and every player live by life's rules, the ones the punters live by, who essentially pay their obscenely over-inflated wags; glad the M2's are playing hardball with both West Ham (Jarvis) and Sunderland (Fletcher).

If players balk, should they not get signed by aforementioned clubs, then, damn it, show some class, honour your existing contracts and stick an orr in and paddle as hard as you can to get us promoted.

That's the deal. You agreed a hefty wage packet in turn to work you ass off for the cob to help us be successful. Take on the expected responsibility just like all of us do with our employment. Stop acting like a bunch of pansy arsed prima-donnas! Wish some of these players their not just disrespecting our club, they're making themselves look like right old numpties.

UTMW, and good on you, messrs Morgan and Moxey!

Rubbish mossman

Who was Spurs best player last season?

Who has wanted out of Spurs for 2 years now?

Modric

Now i'm not comparing Jarvis or Fletcher to Modric but when the window closes and these guys are still at Wolves, they will put in a shift.

Reading between the lines though mossman you don't like Morgan and whatever he says you will disagree with so why bother commenting at all?

UTW

We have to learn lessons however unpalatable. The club directors management and players all fell far short last season. We have players who rightly or otherwise think they need to move to a bigger stage than the championship.So be it but on the Wolves terms, A restructuring and rebuilding around our new managment team needs to be a priority, Over paid failures need to be weeed out, and a new era and scology iniated. We are Wolves and need to become stronger, on and of the field to reach new heights. We owe nothing to any other club or players only to the paying fans. Hoddle lft us in a mess, which MM moved us on from but ran out of steam and ideas, hopefully Stalle will move us upward and onward. Positive thinking UP THE WOLVES.

I agree 100% with MOSSMAN the big problem MM bought some rubbish and we are stuck with them because they are not good enough so no one will buy them, we all know who they are!!!!

The board also had no vision when thay made TC manager he was out of his depth and I can't believe he is still at Wolves as head coach.

It is totally unfare to the new manager who should have his own staff not who MOXEY wants.

Please let him select the team and give the youngsters a chance which MM never did.

WHAT A LOAD OF BULL, to coin a phrase!

Morgan is right, we should not turn over just because the player wants to line his pocket by leaving at the first offer.

The club needs to capitalise & make as much money as possible.

If transfers are self subsidised by selling & buying then it puts the club in a stronger financial position long term.

Get rid of them only at the right price.......just like Arsenal did with Van Persie.

At last some sort of communiction from our silent Chairman. However there is little in the way of commitment to replace the wantaways who we all know will be gone sooner rather than later but probably too late to be replaced by the required qualty in time. Money will then stay in the bank until January's "treasure chest" budget is set (£5 million?).

no steve, youll "fight" to keep these players because you dont want to spend any money, tight fisted idiot

well stale i think you have bitten off more than you can chew cos you still have the dross that took us down and to give henry a new contract is beond me still you will still have the happy clapping morons god help us

Shame someone Like Chasetown FC don't come in for Berra........mind you he'd have trouble holding his place in a junior school 11 let alone Non League.

To think he's a Scottish international player....shows how much Scottish football has gone downhill, to label him alongside players like Dalglish, Souness or McCoist is a insult to them.

Interesting to see to see the divergent opinions on the Fletcher saga from the Sunderland and the Wolverhampton prospective. The headline in the Sunderland Echo is:

Martin O’Neill: We won’t be held to ransom!

He is quoted in the newspaper saying;

“There are certain targets I would like to get that I would like to persist with if at all possible,” said O’Neill.

“If that doesn’t materialise, of course I have other people in mind – that I’ve always had in mind.

“But I would like to try and chase down the people who I think would be absolutely ideal for the club.

“Like everything in the transfer market, you think that somebody is worth ‘X’ amount of pounds but if the other football club value them in a different light – which is totally and utterly their prerogative – and you can’t reach an agreement, then there are other alternatives.

“That’s the nature of the game.”

so it doesn't seem certain that he will offer the £15m asking price that Moxey wants at all but we shall see.

Seems to me that our " star playes" got us into this mess so they should stay and help get us out too.

Pride in the shirt.

These "star players" aren't even cutting the mustard at Championship level.

Solbakken has brought nothing to the team or the club, the defence is as awful as last season an the attack as toothless as always. We're playing the same formation with the same players and making the same mistakes as last season. Stearman's still a liability, Zubar still gives the ball away every time he gets it, Ward still gets lost upfield.... the only attempts we have at goal are still overhit crosses; we may as well have kept that fool McCarthy.

Moxey and Morgan can FRO, the club is going backwards and will be fighting relegation again this season.

Watching the match out in Cyprus if Morgan thinks these lot will get them promotion then he's the one with sun stroke not me

Jarvo and Fletch deserve to be in the Prem, end of. They were way to good to be with us last year and that will continue, let them go. We can use the money to get a defence. Having just watched the first half of the Leeds game the same problems are there and they are 90% the back four and it has to be said, Henry still looks out of his depth, no wonder he couldn't wait to sign a new contract. Oh well, to be a Wolves fan, the last 52 years haven't stopped me so I suppose the ongoing Morgan and Moxey circus won't stop me. Let these lads go Morgan, they don't want to be here, let them go.

same old 1 down why no defenders morgan/ moxley/ new manager why look at 32 dvds and do sod all hope you are not a yes man or stool for morgan/ moxley

players are happy enough to secure a lucrative future by signing up for four years, regardless of form (it goes up and well as down), or injury... Yet as soon as someone offers more via the back door they start bleating that they are having a tough time and it's not fair, etc and blah. Playing in the Prem? It's invariably about playing for the money, which might be a fair point, except these guys are (literally) earning more in one calendar year than I've done in 56 hard working years. Yes, they're not alone in that, but hey, if you don't want the security, don't sign the original contract then, play week to week, month to month, or season... and see how that works out when you get your injury. £70 a week down the Jobcentre boys - enough to get a ticket at a Premier league match to watch your old colleagues play for 90 minutes!

Leeds 1 - 0 Wolves

MOXEY OUT

MORGAN OUT

Before you take us into League One.

W H A T Star players???

Walsall would have beat Leeds today.

This going to be one hell of a hard season.

I say we sell Fletcher asap and invest the cash in Jordan Rhodes of Huddersfield, I think he will prove to be a better player and a proven goalscorer.

Mr Morgan, you have no idea how tow run a football club! We will go nowhere with you and jez at the helm.

Just sat and watched the game in Cyprus with some Leeds fans, great possession but terrible up front Jarvis and Plezko gave plenty of service but nobody there, you've got to get rid of Doyle and SEB and pay Fletcher what he wants or sign Justin Rhodes.... Ps Siggy needs to practice his shooting it's football not rugby were playing... Come on you Wolves

Sell them cuz we aunt going up anyway with the rubbish that is the playing staff

If we end up with 20 million for two relegated players and are allowed at least 15 million of that to pump back in, we have a chance. Fletcher and Jarvis should go, as much for the money, as for the morale. Morgan is right to stick out for the most we can get.

No point in selling them late on as it's too late to spend the cash - in fact it may be too late now. we couldn't attract good players in the Premiership so how are we going to attract them now. Hang on to them for a season on last years money - new contracts with a get out clause after one year. Even if we have £25 million for them how is it going to be spent?

in an ideal world i would agree with billy burger. Make them stay and play or rot in the reserves but the players hold all the cards and we need a new defence quickly or this season could be a disaster!

Morgan, you are a joke and havn't a clue how to run a football club. You should have sacked McCarthy in December and replaced him with someone we have atleast have heard of. Im sure the current manager did well in Norway but that is Norway! As for Moxey, don't get me started on him!!

HOW LONG IS NOW SINCE WE WON A GAME IN 90 MINUTES?

I do not agree with number 1 or 2.Iam glad we are holding out for more money,if Newcastle can sell a camel like Carroll for 35m then i say Fletch is a bargain at 15m.As regards him not playing,dear me he's a pro it's in his interest to play for us and give his best for us,with a couple of weeks left on the window say he plays a blinder against Barnsley or against Derby if he's played Sunderland would then be back and maybe a few more interested parties,what about a swap with Liverpool for Carroll.COME ON YOU WOLVES.

That's rubbish Morgan. If you want to keep your best players don't put a value on them.

What a day

We we rubbish for a good hour today and just watched liverpool loose

I'm off out for a bear or to

Thanks for all your hard work Moxley

PS

where is our next win coming from?

Vindaloopi - nasty individual that you are - go on post something positive about the Wolves.

So full of hate for the club that I love - please go away......

#13 ghost - that is probably the most idiotic post I have ever read! He's so tight fisted he wants to fight against roughly £15m profit after sell on fees for two players who have openly said they want to leave. Get in the real world and stop all the negativity.

I know its early days but watching today's effort against Leeds, it's going to be a long hard season, which could easily end in a relegation battle, especially if we fail to retain Fletcher and Jarvis.

Yet another season of TC hanging on to his job, long hopeful punts upfield and creating very little. We will never be a great side while TC remains as Head Coach.

To add to this we have started the influx of foreign players which is the beginning of the end of the club's identity.

Final moan; Kightly is a disgrace. Wolves paid his wages for sitting on his injured arse for one and a half seasons, and now he deserts us, the badge kissing prat. Hope he enjoys playing with the route one cloggers at Stoke.

Western Wanderer.

The price offer for Fletcher is inflated anyway ... and by all accounts his attitude stinks.

Berra will see out his contract as i cant see anyone wanting to buy him.

Jarvis seems to have the right attitude and i firmly believe he will do his best wherever he is. I would put Jarvis' price around the Downing mark (and worth more than Fletcher) - arguably a better player than Downing but being sold by a Championship club will make a big difference.

Credit to Jarvis today

Heres a thought Mr Morgan. Maybe you should have fought harder, much harder, to preserve our Premier League status. That way you would not have needed to fight to keep your star players this season!

West Brom may be Wolves fiercest rivals, but they are exactly who, what & where we want to be. Well run club, top scouts, good setup, great squad! Results & league position proves this. Why can't we learn from them?

Sell them both and sign Thomas Ince and Jordan Rhodes plus two solid centre backs and pair of full backs from anywhere! I'd have took the money for Zubar, hes such a liability. Put Stearman on the list and take Hamill off it and why sell Guedioura!?

We let people with talent go and keep people who look clumsy on the ball. Im usually pretty positive but first half yesterday was just depressing!! Then seeing two of the players we let go scoring just made me really annoyed!

This mess needs sorting one way or the other! There are players out there who would easily improve our team. Its desperately needs improving, some of the defending yesterday was worse than some pub football. I remember once watching through my fingers as we attempted to clear the ball above seven times before Leeds almost scored.

No 43, well said.

To all you happy clapping idiots out there, if Moxey is SO good how come a big club hasn't come in for his services?

fletcher, club was always going to sell him and cash in, same with jarvis, why say dont need to sell and then accept bids on them. I'm not buying the they put transfer requests in first rubbish. The club are not trying hard enough in my opinion aand have used the transfer debacle as a smokescreen for the lack of new signings, esp defenders we clearly need , Johnson is rubbish end of story, stearman is average on a good day and berra can go, The club is lying and playing the supporters for mugs. We know the money is there to spend so spend it, if you dont dont blame the pubs with dodgy sky showing the games for poor attendances, trust me most of theses have shut down and the empty seats will be fans not wanting to come ! The 2 m's clearly cluelees its poor old stale i feel sorry for there going to ruin his career and the very slim chance we have of going back up !!!

lay off kites, he wants prem footy and was the only one trying to keep us up at the tail end last season, He was clearly told surpless to requirements and we got 3 mill for a player who cost us naff all, how can you be miffed by that ? should be miffed that he and hammill are put on the transfer list in the first place, 2 of our best crossers and jarvo looking like hes off, er whos going to cross the ball now, henry lol. club is going backward so fast i can hardly believe it. Wish i hadnt renewed my.... hang on i didnt woo hoo, thats money for a holidy sorted then wonder if i can get a season long one for the price of a season ticket ?

I just can't remember the last time we won a game. We are on target to repeat our 82 85 crash so keep stearman, ward, and berra and we are back to the 80s..Sell up now and bring in 2 top defenders.

English Exile - Happy Clapping is soooooo last season!

Love the Wolves be proud to be a supporter.

Don't fall into the trap of being a Vindaloopi, sd, wandererineire Wolves hater.

Fletcher 15 Million+ is the correct attitude from the Top Wolves man!

Lets support M and M for their correct and financially aware stance. That is a new view from the crystal clear water bottle.

Make it 20million+ and we will surely reap the rewards by half way through the season. Fletcher if working well could have us almost promoted by the next window. Then sell him.

Or is this the plan?

UTW

Sell Fletcher for £12-13m and buy a decent back 4.

Other clubs aren't going to do us a favour and only take our second tier players. These are only going to attract the attention of second and third tier clubs who may not even pay as high as we do in the Championship/Div 1 - so our surplus-to- requirement players aren't going to want to go to them and will have told their agents so. They'll sit tight and we may be stuck with them until nearer the end of their contracts. Loaning out will be our best option in this case. We're only going to hear about our two best assets being in demand - and I still think they'll go, although it would be good if we and they held on until January.