Bedroom tax will be forced on thousands in West Midlands

Thousands of people with spare rooms will be unable to escape the “bedroom” tax due to a shortage of smaller homes in the West Midlands.

The Government insists that the country’s housing benefit bill needs to be tackled
The Government insists that the country’s housing benefit bill needs to be tackled

Council and social housing tenants will lose 14 to 25 per cent of their housing benefit from April 1 if they have one or more spare bedrooms. It will leave them potentially paying hundreds of pounds extra a year in rent unless they are able to downsize to a smaller home.

However, it emerged today that there are three times as many people in the region affected by the housing benefit cut as there are one and two-bedroom homes which will become available through councils and social landlords over a year.

It means tenants will have to pay more to their councils or social landlords because the benefits will not be covering as much of their rent.

Figures supplied by Wolverhampton Homes, Dudley Council, Walsall Housing Group and Cannock Chase Council show that between two and 13 one-bedroom homes become available in an average week.

But in Cannock Chase almost 600 council tenants are affected by the housing benefit changes, while Walsall Housing Group has more than 2,700 affected tenants on its books and

Wolverhampton Homes has 3,000-plus. Dudley Council has more than 3,400 tenants affected.

Government under fire over bedroom tax trap - See today's Express & Star

Comments for: "Bedroom tax will be forced on thousands in West Midlands"

les

all these "benefits" make my blood boil, benefits should only go to people who are in need of them, they are not a replacement for fags, beer and bingo money, i would stop all child benefits, if you can not afford kids , you should not have them, i would stop winter payments, most people who get winter payments are still in work, do you want more!!! the country is on its knees, i wish the government would just come out and say exactly what we need to pay in tax, and we could get back to having a prosperous country

spud

This country will never be prosperous for the majority even if there were no benefits and full employment.you need to open your eyes

Angry Allan

Why would people bother opening their eyes, when they can just blame immigrants and poor people for all their problems? This government seems happy enough to indulge - or even promote - such thinking.

Ilovesun

TO0 many foreigners , they come here for all the free housing, child benefit,income support, free milk tokens, I was born and bred here, why the hell should I get out off bed and work too keep these people that all get it free, no way I will never go too work again, send all the polish home first.

Den

That about sums the problem and attitudes up does`nt it

Mike

Talk about trying to justify your own idleness!

Some people shoplift, so I don't see why I should pay for my shopping.

Some people drive their car without insurance, so I don't see why I should have to pay for it.

The list of excuses for idleness & criminality is endless!

The real problem is that there are not enough jobs and too many are paid a pittance.

According to some people, immigrants are stealing all the jobs AND living the life of Riley on benefits. If that were true you wouldn't be able to go anywhere without bumping into these foreigners. Where are they all?

Stop believing this right-wing claptrap, take some pride in yourself, and stop spouting rubbish!

As for this bedroom tax, if the properties were available for people to downsize into, there may be some justification for this assault on those least able to defend themselves. As it is, the properties simply aren't there and the whole exercise is another simple benefit cut.

Adam

We like to blame foreigners far too often

Im british born, but lived in Spain for 10 yrs

Lucky yeah?

Some of us Save really hard to buy a property in Spain, France, Italy etc.

Now what happends when we buy a property abroad and move there?

How do we live out there

We get a job right?

So whats the difference between the thousands of britts who go to live out in Spain and work out there to the Polish who come to this country and work over here?

Think this country is a little tooo hypocritical if you ask me.

and considering your name is "ILOVESUN" I dare not say you would be the first to jet off and live in a hot warm country with a nice villa if you could

Andy

Do the thosands of Brits claim housing, incapacity or disability benefit there? How long would they last if they did`t work?

Brett

Have you ever had to claim allowances? You make it sound like it's a life of luxury. If you think that signing-on and living on a pittance a week is fun, please try it..

Gail

try getting a job if you don`t like signing on

C

No body (or very few people) like signing on, but the jobs have to be there. Sorry Gail but not everyone is perfect like you. What do you think claimants are going to say "Oh, I'll let my children go without because some closed minded women on blog does not like me signing on, get real and do not be smug, please. It may have escaped your notice but we are in double dip recession, could even go into a third and unemployment can happen to anyone at anytime without any warning but I hope it does not. However if it ever does some may say it is karma. x

Gail

Well "C" its Shame on those who allow their children to go without, they should at least spend the child benefit on them, do you know anyone who does that? Getting real is getting a job.Lets hope karma catches up with those who claim benifits through fraud , hope you use your full name to sign on!

jan

Hey Gail I do work and bloody hard I live off tax credits as the business i started doesnt pay me a wage its a bit more than dole. My goal in life now is, roll on next year (retirement) when i can stop worrying about the tax returns and debt caused by the business and household bills, btw I had a 3 strokes 2 years back caused by stress of all this and looking after my 90 yr old mother with dementia.

Gail

So your business failed(You must have paid to set it up, look at all the businesses that do) but you get carers allowance, disability allowance, motability allowance, tax credits etc, etc, etc. I feel that i`m looking after you while I work, especially when you "retire"

p

who will be looking after you when you retire, god help them.

KayJay

I agree with Gail, I'm on a decent salary however my husband unfortunately is on a very poor salary, combined this puts us just over the threshold to receive any benefits however if he was not working we would receive all kinds of help such as working tax credits, housing benefit and so on.

We'd be better of financially if he did not work, however this is just the easy option.

I'm sick of hearing people winge about the bedroom tax or what ever you want to call it. At the end of the day, if you receive housing benefits then why should you have the privilege to have spare bedrooms when most working people pay ridiculous fees in private rent because they can't get a council house. Down grade to a smaller property if you don't want your benefits cut, or even better, GET A JOB!

Tina

Well "Gail" try being 56 years old worked all my life then get made redundant. Children have grown up and left home and stuck with a 3 bed house. No one wants the over 50s so not actually given the opportunity for employment regardless of endless applications, and no smaller houses to move to. No I dont like signing on and if I was offered a job I would jump at the chance. at least then I wouldnt be worried out of my mind as to how I will pay half my jobseekers allowance out in rent and council tax. You try and live on £30 per week, you try and pay all your bills on this, Do you really think this is a life of luxury?. So I think you should kindly keep your opinions to yourself

Gail

As someone who pays for your jobseekers allowance I am entitled an opinion and a thankyou would be nice!

Tipton

Yeah some people go on like living on benefits is a luxury no it isn't!

I can't even afford to have the heating on much any more.

Also try living on Asda's own brand food.

I'm trying my best to look for a job and I blame the Government, why?

IMMIGRANTS stealing all the jobs, cheap and easy labour!

stjoe

Don't worry some people who work live on Asda and Tesocs branded goods. So you are not on your own!

bobwolf101

I work and I shop at Aldi as do many many others. I do sometimes use ASDA or Waitrose but that's rare these days.

I do however try once a month to use a local butcher.

jonb

Yes utterly terrible being forced to live on Asdas own products.How dare this happen.It's nearly as bad as having to put up with a cheap Mobile phone and not be able to have the latest Iphone..TUT TUT!! Do acccept my deepest sympathies for your suffering!!

Mark B

Immigrant jobs I suggest you never vote Labour again.

Angry Allan

I thought the immigrants were here stealing all the benefits?!

Make your mind up right w(h)ingers!!

jan

shopping what's that I've forgot what its like to go to Asda's or any supermarket and buy a decent shop and I work, and live off tax credits I should be making a good living by now but thank you to the government they pulled all the major stores from the towns so now our towns are empty and businesses are going bust.

Bob

I'd Rather do that than work as hard as I do and still have to live on pittance

James

I could't agree more Les. I would axe child benefit too, it's a farce. Did you know that ex pats living in places like Spain are also entitled to winter fuel payments? It's time this nanny society of ours was ended. Problem is no government has the guts to do it.

stjoe

And I suppose you have never claimed any benefits of any type? You have no kids I presume? And if you have you have never wanted the benefit? Or perhaps you have a fantatsic income and never needed it!!

Stevepats

What a caring, compassionate individual you are.

I hope you enjoy your long, lonely perfect existence.

Moxey's hair gel

Les Les Les

having children is an expensive time - if we could have them in our fifties when the mortgages are paid off or reduced, we are further in our careers, and savings built up we would - but alas - Human Kind is programmed to have children younger when bills are higher and people are earlier in their careers.

We as a nation need children, and need to encourage birth. So - we should support those people who have children.

As a more humanistic argument, you need to understand the child is born without choice of parent or situation - so they may be born into poverty and we have decided they have a human right to the basics in life - food, shelter, clothing.

I dont think its too hard an argument to grasp.

Its not about beer, fags and other simplistic stereotypes, its about a living in a decent civilisation.

Yia

Those who say they work and don't have children think why should they pay to fund the kids of others. Well if they don't have children who can look after them in old age and others don't have any because they can't afford them then who will look after these 'rich ex-working old'? No matter how much cash they've saved there will be nobody to staff the hospitals, care homes or even the organisations that keep the senior citizen world turning. There life will be like a romanian orphanage under communism, cry all you want no-one comes. The option of bringing in third world recruits wont be available as I'm sure someone who doesn't want to pay a bit of tax for our kids certainly won't want to give to help raise 3rd world poor's offspring!

Fran

Both my parents are OAPs and disabled, they get the winter payment which is paid directly to their power supplier ! Neither of them drink, smoke or go to bingo ! There are genuine people out there that have worked all their lives and paid into the system so they are entitled to a comfortable standard of living when they get old. I too have pay into the system and I do not begrudge an OAPs rights to be warm and safe !

we all need help

Not that im against people coming to work in this country but did you know that Polish people that come to work in this country are entitled to get child benefit even if their wife and children are still poland! it gets sent home to them. I think you should only get child benefit for the first child no more!

JT

Why does the big mouth " les " get a wider spread than anyone else ?

donna

i work i pay council tax and rent BUT I DONT GET WINTER FUEL PAYMENT.. i dont have kids so i think u should rephrase your winter payments policy..winter payments only get paid to them over pension age, then on income support and them who have a child under 5.......i put the same amount of heating money in my house i aint on benefits i work so why class the working people as having heating allowance because i dont...

Jim

This heavy-handed attempt to pare spending will become Cameron's Poll Tax and, as it did with Thatcher, will spell the end of Tory mis-rule. The savings will be minimal and serve only to disguise the fact that the Government is unwilling to properly tackle the real issues. The fact that Cameron's posh boy mates avoid tax and instead this govt picks on the vulnerable to deflect public criticism from a hegemony of the wealthy determined to make the rich even richer and the poor even poorer

mark

obsivusley we love being on the social i love that fact i have not been on holiday for over ten years and love going to the pub every week(not) i love the fact i can't get my kids new clothes once a month and have to rely on public transport because i can't afford anything else.aint it great that i can't have the heating no and off all day when its freezing outside.and isn't it just dandy ive got a knackered left shoulder and restricted movement in my neck and suffer with castric problems and ibs and the fact 1 of my kids has learning difficulties and another has pda (psychoanalytical demand avoidance) mixture of autism and adhd just love my life oh and ive been to 3 yes 3 job interviews in the last month!so dont listen to everything the government puts out because they are finding extreme cases and putting them in the media to labe EVERYONE!!!!!!

work till you drop

bet all these M P S are not going to pay premiums if they claim expenses for their rented properties in london if they have more than 1 bedroom, and if they live one and a half hours from London then they should commute like they expect everyone to do as for bedroom tax not everyone on benefits are on jobseekers some actually work but the wages are too low and need help with rent so get off their backs

Marie

'all these "benefits" make my blood boil, benefits should only go to people who are in need of them, they are not a replacement for fags, beer and bingo money.'

Fags, beer and bingo on £71 a week? What planet is that on? (beam me up Scottie). To quote the governments own figures, benefit fraud currently stands at 0.3% and contrary to popular belief as peddled in the scum Murdoch press, benefits are extremely difficult to claim. Counterwise, tax evasion and avoidance currently stand at a staggering £25 BILLION per year.

Like nearly 3 million people woke up one Monday morning and collectively decided that they didn't want to work. Yeah, right. And benefits are a sanction on the government for their own economic failures. Just saying.

jaay

All payment of benefits should stop & those "in-need" & "unable" to fend for themselves given breakfast, lunch & dinner at a specified place so no-one will go hungry. That`ll stop all the benefits being abused on fags, booze, drugs & betting cos when they run out of cash its to the foodbank.

Carole Evans

Les, myself and my hubby have worked for 39 years between us and have paid well over £100,000 in income tax (plus NI contributions)....i worked with a condition similar to Ehler Danlos (connective tissue problems - heart problems , double curvature of the spine - scoliosis and spinal stenosis) - I was a qualified nurse - but , it came that i couldn't go on caring for others whilst my own body was deteriorating. I had to finish my career 9 years ago - I did try to get 'lighter work' as a medical rep - but no one would set me on with my medical history. My husband (who worked at a steelworks) had to finish work to care for me. Now we survive on benefits......and we've been hit with the bedroom tax (we have a 4 bedroomed house and the council installed a through floor lift in one of those plus other adaptations....) we have 2 children aged 11 and 9 (girl and boy)......please don't tar us all with the same brush - we're not all Jeremy Kyle chav's!x

Susanne Deumig

Les, your comments are somewhat uneducated.

I worked until 2 years ago, despite my disability (Rheumatoid Arthritis) and my partner and I paid £250,000 in taxes alone in the last few years. Then I got too ill to work, the recession on top cost us our company. We lost our home. We split up after more than 10 years because of all the stress.

Now I have a HA home, which is having a £26,000 bathroom adaptation to suit my needs. I had to sign a contract obligating me to stay in the house for at least 5 years. I CANNOT MOVE.

I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't play bingo, I don't go out. I am too ill to do so. I struggle every day looking after my kids when I am so ill.

Yet, you'd like it if I had nothing. How dare you??

Sue

I resent your comments Les. I work, and i will have to pay this tax. How about employers paying decent wages, and stop taking money of the government to employ people on their so called workfare schemes.

Oh, and on the subject of spare bedrooms, who do you think pays for Cameron's, and all his cronies spare bedrooms.

BB

BEDROOM TAX

If your small room is 70 sq.ft ( 63 sq.ft is 9ft x 7ft) or under it is classed as a BOXROOM. Therefore it cannot be charged bedroom tax, this is listed under the Housing Act 1985 section 326.

Please use this, do not take any excuses from the council as the Housing Act 1985 cannot be changed by law.

pat

That was the criteria for bedrooms that the government laid down for housing asylum seekers.See if it applies to everyone.

Gail

Who says benefit seekers have no "get up and go" look how they run to find loopholes to keep their benefits!!!

snoddy

Sounds to me like you are the expert on here

Gail

I type an opinion in the morning rather than sign on for dole in the afternoon.

Gail, I couldn't run if my life depended on it! You see, I am disabled. I wish I could work, I really do because maybe then I wouldn't be on the verge of becoming homeless due to the 'bedroom tax'. But, then, according to people like you that would be a good thing as, without a permanent address, I wouldn't be able to claim any benefits!.

Gail

You`ll find a way. The innovations are endless when it comes to free money. Its MUGS like me who are now seeing the futility of work. So much for equal rights and opportunities, why does everyone start with what they can`t do or are afflicted by first? I`m not like the government who is useless due to political correctness, i`m a tax payer and I want to know where the moneys going You don`t see injured soldiers moaning, they inspire at least some of us.

stjoe

I wonder how many people have managed to get a bed into one of these box rooms when it suited them? And any act can be changed if the government really wants to change it.

Ian

Unfortunately this loophole is another one of the Facebook myths doing the rounds giving false hope to thousands of people. Check out Wigan councils website to read the real truth

http://www.walh.co.uk/Tenants/TheBedroomTaxMyth.htm?TextSize=M

R

If you feel that it should not be classed as a bedroom, why are you happy to receive full housing benefit for it in the first place? Surely you should be paying a charge already.... lol.

slama01902

I hope this routes out the fraudsters & imigrants, unless your really unfortunate with disabilities or family problems (and my heart goes out to those that do) everyone in this country gets the same shot at life, which includes free education to spring board your career those who choose not to take it shouldnt be rewarded by the people that do, this country gives away to much of the good tax payers money to those who dont deserve it.

RANT OVER!!!

Tory Glory

Its about time we brought back workhouses!

If these people, these people who cannot be bothered to work, these people who cannot house themselves, these people who now whinge because the apron strings are being cut, if they cannot afford their 'free' houses (which the rest of have to pay for!!!) because their scrounging entiltement is lessened, then force them to sell their iphones, mcbooks, 6 berth caravans, and 60" widescreen television sets!!

Or throw them in blooming work houses!!

j

and when your source of income dissapears and you cant work or banks go bust and you lose your entire pension dont blame everyone else.

blame the fat cats and most mps councillors etc,they divide and conquer causing normal people to blame each other .

i hear the speaker of the house has warned the prime minister to give all of the suggested rise to mps its about 20 plus thousand extra pa, sickening.

Pam

And what about the sick and disabled, what would you do with them? ... Put them down I suppose!!!

fluff

Toryglory what planet are you on you have just shown this page how tory's are bigoted and refuse to accept that there are genuine people who need help. There are more crooked Politicians in this country who defraud expenses housing expenses and well you know. But hey that's allowed till they get caught.

pat

That's just what the "unelected" government wants you to think. I hope none of you ever get made redundant,or have an accident or get a disabilitating condition. Why does this "tax" not apply to private landlords? Because it's alright for the benefit money to go to the rich.But Mr and Mrs Smith who have lived in a council house all their lives and lost his job at aged 56 because the company has gone bump due to all the work going to foreign countries has now got to fork out money for his bedrooms that he has worked for all his life. Look at the bigger picture and stop believing the hype. This has nothing to do with housing shortage because pensioners who live in a 3 bedroom house do not have to pay. If there is a housing shortage why are we still letting another million foreigners in next year? At the risk of repeating myself this government won't be happy until everyone on a low income and that includes working people on minimum wage,are living 10 to a house. You don't seem to mind paying "your" tax to keep Cameron and his upper class ilk in the lap of luxury.Don't forget he was claiming disability allowance for his child when he and his wife are multi-millionaires.

Ajax

I understand that as of 2001:

. Cannock Chase District population was 97,600. There are now 600 affected tenants.

. The WMB of Dudley was 312,900. There are now 3,400 affected tenants.

Source: 2001 Census.

So it appears that places like Dudley are disproportionately affected, compared to lesser populated areas and little Hamlets like Cannock. But I bet you WHICH areas get most of the attention from Government - it's not Dudley. Indeed, Cannock and Stafford only have to scoff and the money gets allocated.. The rest have to whistle.

Brett

These changes are a means of penalising people who don't breed like rabbits. Those who have large families for selfish, cultural or other reasons (despite this being an incredibly over-populated region), won't be affected. Those people will be rewarded every time they drop extra bundles of burden onto the tax-payer. Remember a certain housing 'development' in Cape Hill.. the one deemed unsuitable because they ONLY had 3 bedrooms? (the nerve). It's that kind of selfish mind-set that's wrecking this country and our valued open spaces. That and letting too many people into the country who drain our resources and stick to fingers up at any notion of birth control. Let THEM pay.

Woody

This really has been thought through and been rushed with a "one size fits all" policy. What the Government hasn't realised fully is that there isn't enough social housing available for people to downsize and release the bigger properties.

Michael ward

that's the point the government does realise and they know they will be raking it in......

R

Actually - the government will not be 'raking it in' come October when they introduce Universal Credit - all housing benefits will be paid to claimants rather than directly to landlords. Please tell me how the goverment will be 'raking it in' when the majority of people will stop paying their rent when this happens?

mr smug

I don't see the problem. IT'S NOT YOUR HOUSE. It has been lent to you by the taxpayer. You do not own it and if you don't need it anymore then move the hell out!

Bottom line is this... if you want spare bedrooms then get a better education and job.

Honestly,. some people want everything on a plate. funded by people like myself who work my ass off, paying 40% of my salary in tax so that some people can sit on their backsides and smoke their lives away. £2k a year I pay in council tax.. that goes to these people. Scandal!

Enough is enough!

Mrs Smug

40% you should pay at least 60% that will make up for the bit you don't declare, and regarding council tax it should be at least double that,and will you pay your child support this month to me

Sarah

Well said.

I too pay 40% in tax and for what..to keep the feckless in warm homes, their dress their kids in the latest clothes. Whilst due to council tax, soaring bills, prescription charges, childcare fees etc I cannot afford to put my heating on....Something somewhere is desperately wrong. It's got to change.

And as for the person who commented on why landlords are not being charged....because it's THEIR house maybe?

Mac

With regard landlords- check out the Local Housing Allowance.

BEA

What are you doing with your money?

Maybe you to are entitled to housing benefit or help with health care.

Moxey's hair gel

pay 40% tax? so what. Lucky you.

. Some people who pay a lot of tax squeeked through their childhood thanks to the state. And luckily earn enough to contribute back to it to help others. A much better balance to thinking than the greed and bile that is so evident on these pages.

if you try cutting the social state your home will reside in a society, i suggest, you might be frightened to live in. With soaring crime and social injustice.

the level of ignorance of social mobility, equality of choice and the need to support the vulnerable is frankly frightening.

there are fat cats. in the utility companies, in local government and central government. Selling off the utilities by the tories was the worst idea since Ab Lincoln said "lets go catch a show". The freemarket works, but not for society, and you have a choice to work as a society or as an individual. And i think as an individual you arent quite yet a billionaire, so be careful what you wish for.

Better to vent your frustration at The Kremlin in the centre of Wolverhampton or the new 12m building for Wyre Forest District council.

Not the poor and needy.

Mac

I guess you outright own your home then. Good for you..... The good news is that if your world falls apart taxpayers won't be there to pick you up in the future. Keep up the good work.....

wolfy

You really don't get it do you.

These people who you want to move out, where do they go?

There are not enough one/two bedroom properties available in the social housing sector.

The private sector is beyond their reach.

Perhaps they could get a cardboard box and put it in your garden.

Remember, no one knows what the future may hold.

I sincerely hope yours is happy and you never need help.

terry

I hope your circumstances never change :P

I had to resign from my job in a professional capacity, in order to attend meetings help with child's school day! WHY? the child is AUTISTIC.!!!

Very little help support, in the early days so many meetings appointments, tests, to attend took their toll on my own health!

I finally was left with no choice but to give up my job to care for the child spent years meeting with professionals. Me assisting the school(s) and professionals as the resources are just not there!

Unfortunately as a direct result I lost my home of 17 yrs!!!

Now in local authority housing ( on which I have spent time and money to bring up to a liveable standard)

I took my first job at the age of 13 worked all through my pregnancies sometimes working two or three jobs to fit around schooling etc! I am not so different to many people out there affected by this the new POLL TAX!

The Bedroom Tax – where people judged to be under-occupying by one bedroom will have their housing benefit slashed by 14% - will force those who can’t afford the shortfall to downsize or run up arrears. Due to the chronic shortage of one-bedroom social houses, says many will have to turn to the private rented sector.

But rent for a one-bedroom property in the private sector is on average much higher than rent for a two-bedroom social property. This would leave the tax payer with a bigger bill to pay as the newly private tenants would qualify for full Local Housing Allowance (LHA) as they would no longer be assessed as under-occupying.

Rob

It's not a tax.

There is no "bedroom tax".

There's going to be a slight reduction in benefit that those of us who provide are struggling to afford.

About time too!

Den

I`ve had a reduction in my wage and it frozen for 2 years while still paying tax and NI, so I ain`t got any sympathy with the bedrooom tax, I still work and make do rather than reying on being hopeless and not finding work.

Lellyah

I'm sorry for being hopeless Den. I didn't ask to be disabled. It's ok, don't worry about it though, the solution is on the horizon. Due to the 'bedroom tax' I will more than likely soon be homeless and, without a permanent address I won't be able to claim benefits. As a result i wont be able to eat, keep warm etc, so will perish. Job done! Result!

Den

it ok love, you done your best.

Andy

Brilliant news article yesterday on local tv about a surgeon who went to Syria to fix artificial limbs made from melted plastic drain pipes to people who had been injured in bomb blasts etc. Then they showed them working on farms and harvesting etc, that puts a lot into perspective, they got no benefit system they get on and feed themselves

Mart

A slight reduction, your having a laugh I already pay towards my rent out of my bennifits as they will only pay housing bennifits for a one bedroom property. I live in a three bed (private) with my wife, and before you say anything I'v worked for over 40 yrs untill 6 months ago and the wife worked for 27yrs. We raised three kids who are all working and paying in

my point is if we are already having to pay towards the rent then why should I have to start paying more.

JS

Les, people live in council homes because they can't afford to buy their own homes and why can't they afford to buy their own homes? Well, maybe it's because the price of them is astronomical and the jobs that people do (particularly in the Midlands) won't cover the cost of the mortgage. Ever thought about that? Not everyone claiming a benefit is a freeloader as the government would have you believe, many are hard working people who just a need a little help. God forbid you ever fall into that category.

Anz

Well said. There's a big problem in this country with working poverty, child poverty and a complete refusal for this government to support livable salaries. They inherited these problems and instead of fixing them they decided to make them worse. Nobody should be side-tracked and fooled into turning against each other.. that's just what the government wants people to do. Because when we are doing this, we are not focusing on the bigger issue. The Bedroom tax is is both a diversion and divisive tool allowing gullible people the opportunity to discriminate against the poor. The real problem here and the biggest waste is the government.

Nick

Why do the Express and Star continue to promote Labour's shameless lie that this is a tax? Clearly, it is not a form of taxation. How can it be when it is purely a reduction in taxpayer-funded housing benefit payed by the government, rather than a percentage of a working wage taken for government revenue?

Whether one agrees or not with the view that the welfare budget has, over more than a decade, spiralled uncontrollably and is unsustainable, hence the need for a reduction in welfare (in this case and elsewhere), is a valid topic open to sensible discussion. However, to claim that this is a "bedroom tax" is totally disingenuous and helps further Labour's hoodwinking of the electorate into returning them to power in 2015 - the very same political party, complete with many of the same figures, that were responsible for the utter ruination of this country in the first place.

SPOTTY

If you are paying full rent and have spare rooms your rent will increase by 14% DO YOU UNDERSTAND

tracey

If you are paying full rent , and claiming no benefit this does not effect you they cannot expect you to pay more if you already pay full rent.

stjoe

I wonder what the Tory government are going to do about all those lovely benefits our new Romanian immigrants will be entitled to very soon? I know- collect the extra rent off the poorer people in the country and let their own suffer. And then find some nice affordable housing to put our new friends up in at the tax payers costs. Never mind Labour to blame for this, that and the other. Only A Tory could come up with this type of plan!! Remember poll tax?Oh what a great party they are..NOT!!!!

Nick

SPOTTY - Once again, the so-called "bedroom tax" is, in actual fact, a housing benefit cut for those in social housing and isn't a tax at all. Now, do YOU understand?

stjoe - So, according to you, "only a Tory could come up with this type of plan." You're either blissfully unaware or, perhaps, conveniently choosing to ignore the fact that proposed reform of housing benefit was in Labour's 2010 manifesto - admitting that the cost of housing benefit was far too high. As ever, Labour did nothing to tackle this problem and, coupled with a near-doubling of local authority housing waiting lists and pitiful levels of house building (falling to the lowest levels since the 1920s) during their tenure, they (or rather Liam "there's no money left" Byrne) admitted that the Labour Government “didn’t do enough” on housing.

Finally, your point on the impact of the impending influx of Romanian immigrants is also a hugely ironic one, given Labour's shameful record on open-door mass immigration.

stjoe

just a pity the Tories are refusing to close the door on immigration as well.As for the bedroom tax being in the Labour manifesto..ERRR WRONG AGAIN!! And yes Only the Tories could come up with a plan like this. Do you remember the poll tax? or are too young?..Oh and you talk about housing..Who sold off the stock with the right to buy then?? The rot started some where. Get you memory working. That is of course if it goes back far enough!!

JS

How easily fooled you are! No one government caused this problem, it was succesive governments allowing bankers to do as they pleased. That's where the blame lies, not at the feet of one party but at the feet of them all. I didn't cause the financial world to collapse and I doubt you did either, the banks did. However to listen to Cameron you would believe council workers, anyone claiming a benefit (and despite the rhetoric not everyone claiming a benefit is a freeloader, many work, a fact always ignored by the ranting types) and the infirm are the cause. Wake up! You may blame Labour but the Tories are as much to blame.

tim

yet again i see people picking extreme cases to try to justify the reduction of peoples benefits .the self same people relish in laying the countrys financial woes at the feet of the unemployed and dissabled the fact that a huge proportion of the working members of socierty think nothing of claiming child benefit or family tax credits would appear to be irrelevant also it is also totaly exceptable to some to do work on the side cash in hand thus robbing the treasury of its dues .what thay fail to get a grip of is that the benefit system is in place to help all of socierty that may be in need ,dont forget the vast majority of claiments didnt visualise being out of work of falling in to ill health or becoming dissabled in some way ,this can and does happen to us all without warning and beleive me when it does it is most unwelcome .by supporting this goverment in its cuts and totaly ill constructed bedroom tax what you are actualy doing is throwing away your future rights to any form of financial assistance ,be very carefyll because you never know what life will throw at you ,you may need this current system ,i realy hope you never do .

Mr Tommy

BB. Read it again, 50 square feet to 70 square feet can contain 1/2 a person I.e. a child under the age of 10. therefore a 50 square foot room is capable of being a bedroom.

mary

and yet people have been happy to accept housing benefit for thier so called boxroom

BEA

Unemployed people do recieve housing benefit, as you would recieve mortgage interest payments, along with council tax benefit if you were out of work/ low earner.

Any housing benefit/ council tax benefit is paid straight from Government office to council bank account.

You are only hurting yourself when you don't check out information first, you are probably one of these people that still believe that the government has your best interests at heart.

Also at the end of your life, your property will be yours to pass on to family/charity. but council tenents whether paying full rent or receiving help will not be able to.

Steve B

Les you cannot get winter fuel allowance if your working ... sorry

Albrightondek

Steve - I'm now retired and get the winter fuel allowance automatically, but for a short time prior to retirement when I was working I received the payment. Just quickly looking on a government website, it says that it is applicable to people born before 5th July 1951 if you're still working or on benefits.

Council House Kid

The bedroom tax is a complete piece of "Social Apartheid". It unfairly targets people who can not afford to buy a place of their own.

There is not enough housing stock available for everyone to downsize. A direct result of Thacher's "Right To Buy" scheme of the 80's and the housing stock that was sold was not replaced and replaced by rogue landlords charging exorbitant rents.

People also do not see the social impact of this policy. People who have lived in one community for a number of years, children settled at a school will have their roots torn up just because they live in a council house. It is a typical Tory ideal of "Money Is God" and forget the social impact.

I however accept that something does need to be done about the "career unemployed". However this policy does not address those who live with family, own their house or live in private rented accommodation.

At least the millionaires have had their tax cut though.

Angry Allan

Well said. However, judging by the other comments on this thread, I'd say you're probably wasting your time on these lot; they're either rich tories, or these are the turkeys that vote for christmas!

Woody

Totally agree with you, a sensible post, unlike others.

There are some seriously bigoted people on here!

joe

the fact that people are having to claim housing benifit in the first place because they havnt got the finances to pay full rent is a clue, if they havnt got the dosh how the hell can they pay more or in some people's mind set recieve even less help .in other word s , oh look there is some one using a crutch ,,,,lets kick it it away , we dont need aides we are well off higher educated and healthy thats what some of you are saying ,well god bless your good fortune ,hope he dont look away from you ,i say shame on you selfish arrogant and ignorant

Moxey's hair gel

i used to believe in a revolution.

Reading you lot, i think i will just watch the TV instead

Jonah

There was a story in the national press at the weekend about a mother who may be forced to have her autistic son put into care thanks to this evil tax. No doubt thought of a mother losing her child will have the soulless Tories posting on here in raptures. The fact that this is will hit the very worst off in society and not the people who know how to milk the benefit system seems to escape some people. Tax avoidance costs the country far more per annum than benefits, but I'm sure that some of the Tories posting on here are very good at this, especially if they are self employed or company directors!!

Pete

If people are going to lose PART of their benefit on this scheme and decide to move to a smaller property where are councils going to find all these properties from ? I know a bloke in his late fifties that works who's mom passed away a few years ago and he approached sandwell council to see if he could swap his 3 bedroom house for a bungalow so a family could have his house and they weren't interested. Might be because he pays full rent neverthless wouldn't that have been beneficial to a family.These stories are always going to raise other issue's and if you are fortunate to own your own house and have a good job then good luck to you, however there are others who are not. I wonder if the stopping M.P.s expenses would raise the same issues, except only from themselves even though they are on a very good salary and the same for councillors. These will NEVER be raised for consideration and don't forget that is also our money !!!!!

tim

expenses now lets see ? .£133.00 for a tiolet roll holder ,£299.00 for a bail of 4 bath towels ,£55.99 for a waste paper bin ,£3599.00 for a garden shed £449.00 for garden tools and then a further £950.00 for the services of a landscape gardener ? dont thay bring thier own tools .all these claims have been documented .what the hells going on why dont these people use the pound shop and wilkos like the rest of us poor mortals .and we are all in this together .that must be some shed i wonder if he rents it out ? ive got a camp bed .

Trevor Lloyd.

Why do people keep calling it a Bedroom tax it isn't a tax it is a benefit cut, The Labour party keep calling it a bedroom tax they should apologise for misleading the people. like there latest rant calling a cut in child benefit a mummy tax , no wonder they left the country in a mess if they can't tell the difference, i would never trust them again with the economy.

Frances

Nick, the ruination of this country was because Margaret Thatcher deregulated the banking industry and greedy bankers made vast amounts of money lending to people that previously would never have been given mortgages and loans. Making mortgages easier to get pushed the price of property up beyound many more people's reach because there were more buyers. I do however support most of the benefit changes because I am sick of supporting those that should be doing more to support themselves. The biggest mistake is going back to the old system of giving people the housing/tax benefit to pay themselves as inevitably as before they will get into arrears because they can't manage their finances or have partners who are irresponsible with addditions.

Mac

Shame that owners aren't forced to move out. I've lived by single people who have bought three bed properties.

My mom live son her own in a three bed. She is 70 and has recently lost her husband. Let's punish her eh!?

I'd also suggest that the minority stop contriving homelessness- that puts huge pressure on waiting lists.

tracey

Homeowners have paid for their properties though hard work dear, thats why they cant be forced out. Your mother should not have any worries as this reduction in benefits does not apply to pensioners.

tim

my friend has lived in the same rented 3 bedroomed council house for 53 years he started work at 16 and untill a months ago he had never been out of work ,his mother and father moved into the house as its first tenants when it was built ,likewise his father ran his own small stationary bussiness up untill he passed away last september ,his mother pased away in january .unfortunatley my friend has had great difficulty coming to terms with the lose of both parents which has resulted in him suffering ill health his self and has had to give up work and claim benefit including housing benefit.as i stated he has always worked as did his father thay have over the years payed in rent many times what this house is worth and before some one says it yes thay proberbly should have bought it but thats irellevant now realy but the fact remains thay to worked hard all thier lives and my friend should be entitled to remain in his family home .there are many similer stories but thay dont get the same media coverage as the ones that relate to the less disirable members of socierty .

nobby from goscote

no flies on me mate !!! , i saw all this coming !!, so i took in a lodger for my spare box room !! only snag is, that he is now shacked up at the local travelodge with my missus and now i have got 2 spare bedrooms

Room size!!!

BB- and any others that are convinced that they can get away without paying the charge by trying to say that any room under 70 square feet cannot be classed as a bedroom - correct BUT the tax is going on what it states on your tenancy agreement ... If it states 3 bed then its a 3 bed REGARDLESS of size! This is what I have been advised as I too am affected. And have had this information relayed to me from housing benefits and the council.

Housing officer and private landlord

Just to clarify a few points, tenants of private landlords are effected by bedroom tax, as will they be by council tax reductions. I agree there is a problem with the benefits system, I see it daily..a number of changes need to take place nationally... Firstly we need to close the doors...we are sinking as country. We need to stop claims from other countries, I am aware of a couple of claimants claiming child tax benefits for children not living or ever have been living in this country. We need a big push on benefit fraud, cohabiting and cash in hand people milking the system. We need to look at the long term unemployed, I hear some cracking excuses for not being able to get a job.

And finally we really need politicians who are not riddled with self interest and self promotion...and ones that can speak without fork tounge....now that's a challenge....

Mac

Nothing better than a partial Housing Officer. Private tenants are affected by LHA- not 'bedroom tax'.

Brett

Most of the benefits controversy was down to error, not fraud. Government error. I agree with stopping claims from other countries and allowing so many people into this one when it's clear our own house is not in order. I will not apologise for anyone of any race, cultures or religions who refuse to evolve beyond selfish procreation. We are already standing room only. With the unemployed, it's too easy to over-simplify the issue and demonise people the same way Cameron did to the sick and the disabled. Look at the wages, positions.. you cannot, and should not, force people to work for nothing. It won't work. The root of the problem is a political system that acts on behalf of offshore banking interests, not the interests of the British.

Michael Ward

Me i'm an hard working man that receives no benefits at all, what I earn is what I live on. I'm not gonna go into the in's and outs of the unemployed people that's on benefits, there are a lot of decent people that cannot find a job. this bedroom tax is totally wrong and I think someone should look in to the legal side of this. If you have an empty room and want to size down most councils have admitted they have not got any two or one bed properties to let so it it legal to put a charge on someone without offering them alternative accommodation. As for all these cut backs this government are imposing, This once rich country is on its knees They should stop giving away all our hard earned money to other countries in Foreign Aid. I would rather see this money spent on our own people! rant over......

true brit

Can anyone see the similarity between the bedroom tax and the arrival early next year of thousands of Bulgarians and Romanians .This goverment is just freeing up thousands of three and four bedroom houses to house these economic migrants , this influx wil surely end what was once Great Britain i urge everyone who reads this to write to your mp or local councilor to register your opposition to stop this latest fiasco come on lets see what we can do instead of just moaning about iit.

mark

Its simple they want you to downsize your house ready for the influx of the romanian gypsies coming across next year who have 4plus in the familys.if your a uk resident and been paying your contributions you should be first in line for benefits nhs etc not just strole into uk and get everything.

Sharon smith

Well looking at some comments on here I think a lot must never have had bad luck in their lives! I always worked when I divorced my first husband our home was repossessed I was rehoused in a council house with our children. I put my soul into my own home! I lost everything! I picked myself up eventually remarried and made my rented house a lovely home. Five years after I remarried my second husband had what we thought at the time a massive stroke. He could not walk or talk properly he was32 ! Eventually he was diagnosed withMultiple sclerosis. We had never been on benefits in our lives. 14 years on my husband is now in a wheelchair most of the time and I am his full time carer. We have both tried to return to work inbetween his relapses. I myself have given up work three times and they were well paid jobs. I just could not leave him once he went blind in one eye! Some people do not ask to live on the state their health will not allow them to work reading what people think of us is very unpleasant we are not scroungers! I would love to work a 40 hour week and so would my husband. It's not our fault our extensively adapted council house has spare rooms. My children have now left and got families of their own. Only our son remains here. To move us would cost at least 40k to adapt another property because that's how much it cost the council to build the one we have now. Cameron really should have thought this policy through too many people are going to be living below the bread line due to this policy. The majority do not ask to be in this situation.

Miss Perryway

Hi Sharon,

Why don't you ask your children to help with the extra payments if they can? after all they once used the bedroom(s) in your property.

Also if you do have to move be careful about moving into housing association, as these have services that are not covered by housing benefit and you could end up paying extra for these services, costing you a lot more than the bedroom tax.

Miss Perryway

sharon smith

I am very sorry miss Perryway there is no way on earth I will ask my children to pay for these rooms! My son is on minimum wage in a privately rented flat and my daughter has a mortgage of her own to pay. I will not move no way we have spent a lot of money making this place our home. My husband can get around all the lower floor of this house and has a wet room and double bedroom purpose built for His needs.

Miss Pennyway

I'm not trying to get you to leave you home, I just thought your family knows how much this home means to you and you could have shared this nasty problem between you by taking the pressure off you and your husband. I'm sorry your family can not help! but I fully agree with you to stop where you are. you should have automatically been given the rights to live there when you husband became ill!

Clare

Your situation sounds very similar to ours and my heart goes out to both. It's a very anxious time worrying about how we are going manage. What really gets me though is that the government went all out to promote this caring forward thinking approach to being positive about people with disabilities during the Olympics, and now it feels like they are executing an eradication policy to ensure that people with disabilities aren't able to survive if they can't go out to work. I have noticed that on the rare occasion when I am out in my wheelchair, the attitude of people has changed greatly over the last few months to the point where I would say that I have experienced disability hate crimes. I wish you both well x

Social Housing Employee

Just want to confirm something which I had clarified the other day.

I understand that people are gonna try to use the housing law from 1986 which defines a bedroom.

However, it has been confirmed that the property has the amount of bedrooms that it was listed as.

For example, you might have two decent size bedrooms and one box, but if it was listed as a three bedroom house, and is known as a three bedroom house, then it is a 3 bedroom house.

I speak to tenants daily in my job about the under-occupation charge aka 'bedroom tax' and all I can say is that people are frustrated and scared.

Plus, the Gvt hasnt thought of the extra resources that councils, almos and housing associations are having to put into this law. There isnt an endless pot of money to help pay for resources to assist tenants when this is implemented. The gvt seems to forget that part.

MOGOL MAN

IM SINGLE AND I LIVE IN A 3 BEDROOM COUNCIL HOUSE AFTER GETTING DIVORCED

I AM NOT GOING TO PAY THIS AND REFUSE TO MOVE

I WOULD RATHER GO TO JAIL

Social housing employee

the thing is, if you don't pay your rent, they will do normal eviction processes based on rent arrears. You won't go to prison for not paying your rent, you will just be homeless with no priority need to rehouse you as you chose not to pay your rent.

Anz

If there is such a shortage of housing then why are we letting in so many immigrants? Come next year when the restrictions are gone the situation will be even worse.. all this government wants to do is profit from misery.

JIM

Hi everyone,

Has anyone given any thought as to why this has all gone to pot? Maybe if we look at the bankers for one! Maybe if we look at the existance of money! Maybe if we see that all our arguments here are mainly about money! Im not trying to say that I dont realy on money to get by, we all do! But..In the first place, where did this money come from, why is it that bankers have it all even when they make a loss, they grab big bonus, whilst all general folks both working and claiming benefits are lumbered with the lies, Lies like "Its your tax paying for them!! Its all games, a set up of lies to make people argue and fight over the scraps thats left from the tables of high class head started people in the world who were born with slver spoons...Yes I agree there are many people whotake advantage both working and claiming working tax benefits, and those not working and claiming benefits,,,

I am disabled myself, I have not social life, i dont go out clubing bingo pubing, or dancing , I find these events difficult to manage, I dod not choose this, I have mental health problems that make it harder for me to cope with things that most people would find easy to takle. It is immportant to keep in mind that benefits that lower earmers also claim in the form of working tax credits, housing and council tax benefits ect are the ones who need there wages increasing insteadof the bakers grabbing a big bonus on the backs of the tak payers. If we took away money completely, we would all have to find skills and ways to help each other in life, for example I will make you a chair and you can grow me some carrots. We are all very frusterated and stressed about the world and the country that was once our own, but we can not blame people coming here or people working low wages or tax payers or benefit claimers, becasue the actual issue is with the money system that was set up by big bankers who daily robs everyone including our governments. The bankers call in all there debts from governements and becasue the money is loaned at interest to the governement, when this happens they can only borrow more at interest or reduce the whole system of money to there people. The truth is there is no soluttion to a inflational mess with a lack of money, it is a troubled cycle doomed to fail and create war hungger pain and missery. Everyone please remember we are all human and this system makes us turn inot monsters where we attack each other whilst the real trouble is behind the government. Look deeper everyone, Sorry about the spelling by the way,

circlesend

I'd love to see Labour's ideas for creating millions of jobs at a stroke, all at decent wages, rather than the usual cheap shots at "the rich", Mrs Thatcher, etc. The lack of alternative policies is pretty revealing.

However, if the polls are to be believed, I need bit more time to stock up on beans, bullets and silver in preparation for Millibands "One-nation" Britain.

stjoe

I'd like to see the Tories do the same..And increase Min Wages to a livable standard. A wage that was first bought in by Labour by the way. We all know the Tories can remove a million jobs at the flick of a wrist.They did it under Thatcher..3 million unemplyed if memory serves me correctly. You had best stock up on more than that if Cameron gets in for another 5 years. I personally don't think Labour is th eanswer either..but is there a better alternative? UKIP maybe?

Pete

This discussion is always going to ramble on, I do agree with a lot of points on here and disagree with others however, it is hard to motivate yourself when this country is hell bent on throwing money at foreigners when they once again throw our doors open it hardly inspires our own people to get a job, its the "well if they can have it" who have never put anything in the country then why can't I. To be fair in a way I can't blame them. If this influx of so called Europeans was stopped or not started then attitudes may have been different. Then there is the serial benefit claiments. I know a bloke who is 49 and never done a days work saying he has a nervous issue, he might just have but I see him every day and he is fit and healthy, how has he got away with this and I know a whole family who don't work, each got their own houses and cars, which makes you think on a hot summers day going to a factory on a 2 till 10 shift why can't I have the same luxury and this is English people not foreigners !!

Adam

What happens if you designate one of the spare bedrooms as a prayer Room?

simon

Yet again oaps not included in this if u r going to do this u have to look how many there r in 2 3 4 bed homes it's not just the young and what if they whant another child over crowded again.you r all looking at paying extra for the room have u for got Wolverhampton council have now said u have to pay council tax as well so find that mony as well

Clare

Well said, I know of several people over 60 and 65 some widowed or separated that live on their own or some as couples that live in 3-4 bed houses as the children have left home. Those family homes are now blocked for perhaps the next 30-35 years. I appreciate the social side of it having memories and having the grandchildren to stay, but surely it is more important to have families housed.

Paul

This bedroom tax it's more of the same incompetent Tory ideology that's wrecking this country.

If they sorted their tax dodging friends out then there would be no need for it, but making the poor pay for the mistakes of the rich is the Tory way and always has been.

sisterdora

I'm fortunate that this doesn't affect me personally but I still have opinions!

Many people use their "spare" room to have grandkids to stay or parents or relatives who live in other parts of the country - surely this is a "human right" . However, according to an Express and Star report (14th June 2012) Wolverhampton Council had an average of 397 council houses for the year 2011/2012. As the council receives no "benefits" can we assume that they will be "taxed" or "fined" for all of the "spare" bedrooms contained within those empty properties? and will this apply nationally to other councils in the same position?.

And since this is the case and has been for a large number of years give or take minor changes in the numbers of empty properties, is it really moral to start wielding the stick at owner occupiers who may have an inherited property empty until they have the time, energy or money to renovate it? and does the "spare room" tax also apply to MP's etc who have second homes and can only live in one at a time?

Something hasn't been thought through properly

T

well.........with the minimum wadge,i work and pay tax,but have to have a small amount of my rent on housing benifit,so that means im in a double loop! and it also means that the govenment thinks it can do what it likes when it comes to where i live. its a trap alot of people are in and its not fair for the govenment to play tetrus with peoples homes

june

I am unable to work im on antideppressants and im more suicidal now im being forced to pay bedroom tax i only get £71 per wk and will have to pay £23.00 per wk i have to pay my energy bill food tv lience.water rates out of less than £50 per wk i think its gona be hard for every one i think this country dont look after there own and forcing us poor family.s out of there home for the wrong people plus there are no home for me to move to so who.s going to pay my tax when its not my fault i cant work or move out ......

Dee

I have worked all my life and my husband has worked all his life , I haven't had a easy life so I know it's hard sometimes but I have always had to get up in the morning to get to work even if I don't feel like it . Some people not everyone have soooo many excuses not to find work ie chidcare when today there is loads of help for this , I have two chidren from a previous relationship and been a single parent but at the time there was not the handouts that there is now and I'm only 39 years old so it's not that long ago I always worked as a single person and I went without ie with food so my kids had the food they needed . I made a choice after me and my husband got married to have a child together , he had no chidren of his own at the time , we had a lovely baby girl who is 8 now but knew I needed to go back to work , I got sterized at the age of 31 as I knew I could not afford another chid. The people who get on my pips is the ones who have loads of kids stand at the school gates laughing and joking with their mates not working they seem to have there hair done nails done etc and shopping at Asda when we shop at aldi adding it up when we go along , I work my husband work but we don't get any handouts we are living on the bread line as we have a lot to pay out we don't have holidays and my kids don't get luxury gifts. My son had a friend at school and he thought this other boy was rich as he's got the latest computer, x box etc and he gets anything he wants , I said his mom and dad must have good jobs his reply was no they don't work . That's what is wrong with the government , but when the kids grow up they will be scratting around for a job then as they won't get as much on benifit

Dee

I have worked all my life and my husband has worked all his life , I haven't had a easy life so I know it's hard sometimes but I have always had to get up in the morning to get to work even if I don't feel like it . Some people not everyone have soooo many excuses not to find work ie chidcare when today there is loads of help for this , I have two chidren from a previous relationship and been a single parent but at the time there was not the handouts that there is now and I'm only 39 years old so it's not that long ago I always worked as a single person and I went without ie with food so my kids had the food they needed . I made a choice after me and my husband got married to have a child together , he had no chidren of his own at the time , we had a lovely baby girl who is 8 now but knew I needed to go back to work , I got sterized at the age of 31 as I knew I could not afford another chid. The people who get on my pips is the ones who have loads of kids stand at the school gates laughing and joking with their mates not working they seem to have there hair done nails done etc and shopping at Asda when we shop at aldi adding it up when we go along , I work my husband work but we don't get any handouts we are living on the bread line as we have a lot to pay out we don't have holidays and my kids don't get luxury gifts. My son had a friend at school and he thought this other boy was rich as he's got the latest computer, x box etc and he gets anything he wants , I said his mom and dad must have good jobs his reply was no they don't work . That's what is wrong with the government , but when the kids grow up they will be scratting around for a job then as they won't get as much on handouts . The benefits should only be for those in need , not a way of life if they are fit and in good Health then they can get a job to. Before anyone says well u have never been out of work , I have been out of work and got jobs within weeks of trying not the best jobs as I have done cleaning job etc until something else has come up .

Lesley

I have worked for 35 years and now can't due to severe chronic health problems. Both my husband (who can't find work due his health) are in wheelchairs and live in an adapted social housing property due to losing our own property when I could no longer be the breadwinner. We are in a two bedroom property as the floor space of all 1 bed properties that we have seen do not allow us the room for equipment and the access to use the equipment. At present we are paying our own council tax and rent as I have a small nhs pension, but if we lose our contributary benefits, then we will fall into the bedroom tax situation. Our options to enable us to pay our bedroom tax are then to freeze or starve to death, find an employer willing to take on a chronically sick person who will likely to be off work or in hospital the majority of the time, win the lottery (if I had the money to waste on gambling)

Lesley

I have worked for 35 years and now can't due to severe chronic health problems. Both my husband (who can't find work due his health) are in wheelchairs and live in an adapted social housing property due to losing our own property when I could no longer be the breadwinner. We are in a two bedroom property as the floor space of all 1 bed properties that we had seen do not allow us the room for equipment and the access to use the equipment. At present we are paying our own council tax and rent as I have a small nhs pension, but if we lose our contributary benefits, then we will fall into the bedroom tax situation. Our options to enable us to pay our bedroom tax are then to freeze or starve to death, find an employer willing to take on a chronically sick person who will likely to be off work or in hospital the majority of the time, win the lottery (if I had the money to waste on gambling), move one of our beds to the living room and take in a lodger that will live in a 7'2" by 10' room and only have use of the kitchen and wetroom, commit suicide, or end our marriage and both live in one bedroom private rental properties that will need adapting for our needs (from the public purse) and claim two lots of council tax and housing benefits. The latter is looking like the most likely option and at least it will help those who do the buy to let to build up their pension pots, but unfortunately it will cost the public purse twice the amount it would for us to stay married and live where we are. Any suggestions? And not the discretionary fund as it only lasts 13 weeks. Take care everyone x

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I have worked for 35 years and now can't due to severe chronic health problems. Both my husband (who can't find work due his health) are in wheelchairs and live in an adapted social housing property due to losing our own property when I could no longer be the breadwinner. We are in a two bedroom property as the floor space of all 1 bed properties that we had seen do not allow us the room for equipment and the access to use the equipment. At present we are paying our own council tax and rent as I have a small nhs pension, but if we lose our contributary benefits, then we will fall into the bedroom tax situation. Our options to enable us to pay our bedroom tax are then to freeze or starve to death, find an employer willing to take on a chronically sick person who will likely to be off work or in hospital the majority of the time, win the lottery (if I had the money to waste on gambling), move one of our beds to the living room and take in a lodger that will live in a 7'2" by 10' room and only have use of the kitchen and wetroom, commit suicide, or end our marriage and both live in one bedroom private rental properties that will need adapting for our needs (from the public purse) and claim two lots of council tax and housing benefits. The latter is looking like the most likely option and at least it will help those who do the buy to let to build up their pension pots, but unfortunately it will cost the public purse twice the amount it would for us to stay married and live where we are. Any suggestions? And not the discretionary fund as it only lasts 13 weeks. Take care everyone x

drake

I get laid off for 4months of the year every year and have to claim jsa to get by while looking for temp work, im a single parent with 2 bedrooms, one for me, one for my 10year old daughter, under these rules I will loose upto £50 a month from my dole. now before they take that away im already suffering from hunger / poverty due to the amount of dole I get, can't afford 3meals a day unless they are £1 ready meals!! no nutrition value at all. Im a stonemason when in work, and I work harder than most people, moving around 4ton of stone a day, and get taxed a nice amount also. I feel like im being punished big time!

The Bedroom Tax – where people judged to be under-occupying by one bedroom will have their housing benefit slashed by 14% - will force those who can’t afford the shortfall to downsize or run up arrears. Due to the chronic shortage of one-bedroom social houses, says many will have to turn to the private rented sector.

But rent for a one-bedroom property in the private sector is on average much higher than rent for a two-bedroom social property. This would leave the tax payer with a bigger bill to pay as the newly private tenants would qualify for full Local Housing Allowance (LHA) as they would no longer be assessed as under-occupying!

Disgusted by some of the comments on this subject here, how narrow mined and ignorant are some of you people?

Sincerely hope they never have to cope with a change in their circumstances such as ill health or redundancy! We never know whats around the corner!!

My circumstances-

I am now in local authority housing my home (of 17 yrs) was repossessed as I quite became ill! Caring for a child who presented behavioral problems from an early age!

I had to resign from my job in order to attend meetings help with his school day etc! WHY ?... the child is AUTISTIC.!!!

There is /was very little support caring for a child who presented too many social problems for his school to cope with without MY support! So I was/am the support!

I would add that I had worked since the age of 13 part time jobs after school, working throughout pregnancy and births of my children. Often working two or three jobs when my first two children were young, to fit around their school day! As the children got older I took training worked hard up the ladder to a professional capacity. Due to pressures on me, my job my home and my self esteem all gone!

This Government seems hellbent on taking what I have managed to work hard to rebuild away!

paul

"Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge.

"Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

"And the Union workhouses?" demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"

"They are. Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not."

"The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge.

"Both very busy, sir."

"Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course," said Scrooge. "I'm very glad to hear it."

JULIE BRADY

I have worked all my life going back to work shortly having both my children. I am now unable to work due to being unable to walk very far as I have sever arthritis. I had to give up my job 18 months ago as I could no longer do the duties involved in running as pub. As I get ESA I will be subject to "Bedroom Tax" on a box room (12'x5') as the local council advised me last week "if your landlord says you have 3 bedroomed house, you are charged for the extra room you have, no matter what size the room is" From April,2013 my rent will be £84 for the Council house I live in with my daughter,but if I moved to a private rented two bedroomed property they would pay up to £113.80 rent per week. Where is the logic in that, if everyone subject to bedroom tax moved into a private rental property to downsize then the housing benefit costs will rise considerably. They say this is sort out housing shortage, the main people who under occupy properties in our areas are pensioners. I dont blame pensioners not wanting to give their homes up if all the local councils have to offer are tiny one bedroomed flats.

john

let's start with the mp's firstly they should not get a second home allowance if you have to work out of tow be like everyone else the cheapest b&b yo can get, secondly, all expences should be stopped as of now, thirdly and finaly we want to be treated and get the same benefits as any imigrants including free gas and electricity

Steve B

The rent a Tory brigade have been trying to divide people again , most of this group dont know what goes on outside there front door .. The truth is nobody really want to live a life on benefits. Most areas except london are jobless zones just look at this figure 22 jobs going down Merry hill 250 apply. Making working people poorer will not help the economy climb out of recession again..

its wearing thin keep blaming immigrants for our troubles, its time those who have stolen the money off the poor.. The rich and middle classes paid more ..after all we are all in it together..

bigt

some of these comments make me feel sick, people are falling for the spin from all parties when its a time for all to pull together. most people on benefits do need them to help, yes some people do abuse the system and they are the ones that need to be weeded out, but to tar all benefit uses as the same is wrong. i am in my 40s now but since i left school i have always worked until i became ill with 3 different debilitating illnesses and since last year have claimed esa. it is a big change to my financial way of life that now me and my wife and 2 young children are living on the breadline due to me becoming disabled. now we are getting hit by this new tax (and it is a tax) is not right. Mr Cameron said before he was elected he would protect the vulnerable in the country and now he has declared war on the vulnerable. all i can say to the people spouting out "go and get a job" "stop spending on drink and cigs" i don't drink or smoke, don't have a modern mobile, have the cheapest phone line package and i go without so my young children can eat and have heating and hot water. DON'T BECOME SICK OR DISABLED AS YOUR COUNTRY DOES NOT CARE.

hopefully the people with the small minds to spout the rubbish never become ill or disabled which can happen at any time, i am living proof.

Once Again!

I have children with disabilities ( dyslexia and dyspraxsia). Before any hate mail, my parents worked all their life because in the days gone by people, employers didn't judge you, my dad worked at the same place for 32 years until his death at the aged of 57. Now my family.... one is at University, one is at college studying toward further Education.

Eventhou my children went to school, were/still are well behaved, still working on their education, whenever I tell people especially office staff, council staff (people who should know better) about the disabilities in the family they treat my children and me like we are slow minded and stupid, I can understand them thinking it about me as I have never been tested' therefore havn't received any help, but my children have excellent exams results. Some people hear the word disability and their brain must think' oh I'm better than you, you are a nobody in life'. Well my child at University is working toward a postgraduate degree, she isn't just standing behind a desk handling people paperwork and using equipment that gives you the answers.

I feel sorry for all disabled people and I think the hatred is only going to get a lot worse, I think people with disabilities should automatically be place in a job which they are are capable of doing, they shouldn't have to compete for jobs unless it with another disabled person.

I also think people should work for their benefit (s) it would probably stop a lot of people from stuffering from depression and give them a chance of learning new skills, but it might mean a lot of working people loosing their jobs because of the cheap labour.

Sorry about all the errors as I mention before I haven't yet recieved any help, and I maybe uneducated but I am willing to work if excepted.

Got to go now as I cook all my meals, which explains why my children are thin and not obese.

dave

the problem is not that people live in houses that have too many bedrooms but the fact that the goverment is introducing this bill with out taking into account the housing stock in this country. are housing stock is dominated by three bedroom houses, and there are not enough two and one bedroom houses. this bill is just a way of cutting support to those who need it most of all.

Patty

Another reason why there is a shortage of housing stock is because like my Housing Trust landlord, they are selling off houses and flats as they become vacant saying that they are doing so because they are high cost to maintain and that they are going to build new homes in "10 years" time!!

My daughter who has MH problems was harassed out of her 2 bedroom maisonette (where she had lived for 15 years with her 2 children until they left home) by my Housing Trust 6 months ago because they said it was a family home.

Guess what?? It's still standing empty!!! I expect this will be another one of their housing stock to be sold to a private buyer so they can rent it out. When I moved to my area 39 years ago. All of the houses were social housing. Now you can count these houses on 2 hands because all the rest are privately owned, the majority being rented out.

I find it so hard to see so many people on here beating up and belittling others who for no fault of their own have become unemployed, or are on low pay wages and are in receipt of housing benefit. All I can say to these people is, "There but for the grace of god go I". It could happen to you at anytime so don't be so smug!

DOSUMMATABOUTIT

ANTI BEDROOM TAX PROTEST ..... VICTORIA SQUARE .... BIRMINGHAM .... THIS SATURDAY 16/3/13 ..... 1.00pm .... PEACEFULL RESISTANCE TO AN VILE ,AGRESIVE TAX ON THE POOR OF THIS COUNTRY .

Truly

Tories will announce at election time bedroom tax to go if you vote for us you watch.

Liam

The country is in a financial mess becouse of Goverment overspending paying for there 2nd homes and all the other items that thay claim thousands for, bringing in cheap eu labour to drive wages lower. Bankers playing with peoples savings like its nothing and loosing it all and still paying paying themselves millions in bonus. so the goverment raise taxes to get the money back that was lost, remember it was your money thay lost but you are giving them it back in bail outs with more of your tax money. so thats the working peeps robbed, whos next ohh yes the sick and disabled lets pay atos millions to help us stop paying there bennfits and at the same time make it even harder by reducing there rebates thay cant fight back there all sick and disabled. then thay use misinformation to get all the people in the country blaming and beliteling each other all this while the real culprits of the mess the uk is in are still milking the system. have you ever felt pooped on we all should