E&S fans' verdict on Wolves 0 Barnsley 4

Our fans hold nothing back as they pore over a desperately disappointing evening at Molineux.

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Clockwise from top left; Russ Cockburn, Russ Evers, Steve Plant, Heather Large, Chris Hughes, Peter Abbott, Sarah Connolly and Rob Cartwright

STEVE PLANT

What's your verdict on the match? Make no mistake, this was garbage - especially when you consider the players signed and money spent. But the blame lies with no one other than the manager.

The first time I even heard the South Bank was on 62 minutes...that said I was asleep for the first 45.

Before I fell asleep in the first half I can remember Jed Wallace missing a chance that I would have been substituted for in my Dudley and Cradley league days, and thinking that the excellent Coady and Prince just needed some creativity alongside them. I think that disappeared with the rain.

In fairness to Danny Batth and co I thought the defence were excellent. That all changed on 72 minutes when they gave Barnsley three bites at a cherry they eventually devoured.

This was poor, and all down to a manager making too many changes when they weren't needed. How can you get consistency when you keep changing the team?

He doesn't understand English football and the Championship is not the place to learn. I like Walter but I also liked Stale and if he doesn't learn fast he will be going the same way.

On 65 minutes I wished I was the owner of a Grey Toyoto Yaris so I could have returned to my car immediately.

We agonised about whether could we make it to the chip shop in Wordsley before it closed at 10...this was resolved when the second goal went in and by the time we had negotiated three flights of stairs from WV1 we had the joy of watching the third go in.

Lose on Saturday and Zenga will be gone by Christmas.

Who played well - and who didn't impress? Good performance - Coady and Prince tried all night. Poor performance - Walter your job is on the line...in early September.

RUSS EVERS (HATHERTON WOLVES)

What's your verdict on the match? Well Mr Zenga - a very harsh lesson that is close enough to the start of the season to enable you to take very good note.

It was a fairly even first half with both sides happy to shoot at will but mainly from the edge of the box or just outside.

Jack Price effectively ran the midfield and was inexplicably withdrawn at half time, which left the midfield open and exposed far too often.

We clearly needed a good holding midfielder but again Romain Saiss was nowhere to be seen and as we were pushed back the defence followed the midfield into crumbling.

Richard Stearman was absolutely dire and torn apart at will. Barnsley were quicker, stronger and played as a team rather than our individuals.

Things will not get a great deal better until we pick the best team and stick with it, allowing for a maximum of one or two changes, or wholesale changes for cup games only.

Time to wise up Wolves - and quickly.

Who played well - and who didn't impress? Ivan Cavaleiro and Helder Costa looked very promising when introduced and Bodvarsson was good throughout.

ROB CARTWRIGHT

What's your verdict on the match? To be honest I was quite happy with the starting XI. Having not lost at home to Barnsley for 25 years I was fully expecting a Wolves win.

But I left the ground in shock. Many of those leaving around me were too. Most were in a daze -and quite a few were swearing!

The screens at Molineux suggested it was to be a 4-3-3 formation...well, it wasn't. We set up as 4-5-1 and this was the root of our problem. Bodvarsson was too isolated and wasn't as sharp as before the international break. He was making runs, but tired quickly.

The midfield were lacking in urgency throughout; they didn't move the ball forward with either pace or accuracy.

That said, was I the only one there who still thought we would go on to win at 70 minutes? It was when Barnsley replaced both forwards that things changed dramatically. Our defence never coped from that point onwards.

What followed was a capitulation.

Our defence were like statues for the first goal - that was poor. The following 17 minutes were shambolic. As a team we defended so badly that I'm finding it hard to find words that are printable!

No tracking back, no marking, halfhearted tackles and a back four who appeared in a daze is the best I can do.

Easy to sum up though - no character. I agree fully with Zenga's post-match comments.

After four games we had made a good start to season, but now after seven games it seems a poor start. This was a wake up call.

However there was still a massive overreaction by fans on local radio and social media. This squad is still in its pre-season and Zenga is still finding out about them.

I'm concerned that we didn't recruit a natural leader to be captain on the field. I do not believe Batth is good enough either as captain or a player at this level, and can see this remaining to be an issue.

Who played well - and who didn't impress? I felt Price did well in the first half in the holding role but understood why he was replaced in order for more creativity. Oniangue also had a reasonable 70 minutes.

The rest were simply inept.

PETER ABBOTT (LONDON WOLVES)

What's your verdict on the match? We were over-stretched all game, he made five changes (again), we were heavy on forwards, low on midfielders, played 4-3-3 first half...and then 4-2-4 after half time...it didn't feel good.

We're far from a settled line-up and deep down we must know this is not the way to play in the Championship.

It seemed every time we lost the ball (and that was often) Barnsley were back on the attack. Maybe this was down to lack of challenges, maybe the formation...but more likely the way we set up.

I honestly thought not one player let us down, however the lack of leadership was worrying when we ultimately went behind. Did we then just stop playing?

Onto Newcastle then, they only won 6-0 away... cripes...!

Who played well - and who didn't impress? Bodvarsson was full of running, aggression and good touches. He had poor service all night though.

SARAH CONNOLLY

What's your verdict on the match? A tough pill to swallow - but a much-needed wake-up call.

There's no point dissecting the game as there isn't much to say bar the fact it was an appalling performance.

The one thing that stuck with me from the first half was the chances we didn't take. Particularly the two that Wallace squandered by taking the shot himself instead of playing in Bodvarsson.

A new manager is always going to take time to bed in and set his ways. We've had a lot of new signings and, as Zenga said, he wanted to give everyone a chance.

However, enough has to be enough with the changes now. Everyone has had a crack of the whip and a chance to prove they deserve a spot in the starting XI.

The Jackett group have had their opportunities and, for me, a lot of them have blown it.

Wallace was awful last night and I have no idea how he made it onto the pitch for the second half. If Batth and Stearman are going to be the centre half partnership, they better learn to work with each other again very, very quickly.

And if Batth wants to stay on as captain, he needs to gain some leadership qualities very, very quickly.

A gutless captain does nothing to help a sinking ship. Coady needs to be consistent, he's really starting to come on but he needs to put in a performance every game.

I imagine after last night a fair few of them have made it an easy decision for him, but Zenga has to be ruthless and find a team and a formation that works.

At only seven games in, of course there is plenty of time to get it right. Zenga just needs to sort it now and stop juggling. We had enough of the team line-up lottery last season.

On a side note however, I think the calls for Zenga to go are absolutely ludicrous! Patience being a key word here.

I've seen Zenga is making them go in on what should be their day off, and I really hope he lays down the gauntlet.

Losing is acceptable if you've given your best. Letting your heads drop and the floodgates open at the back is not. Last night was shambolic and there's no other way to put it. Watching your team give up is heartbreaking.

Find that passion and play for that badge. That's the only way you're going to keep fans on side, it's as simple as that.

Zenga needs to pick his best XI and stick with it. I expect it will be a massively changed team again on Saturday for Newcastle, and it will need to be.

But if we play like we did last night, I fear a much bigger hammering is on the horizon.

Who played well - and who didn't impress? I do feel for Jon Dadi. So many times last night he was just calling for the service to be there when he got into space, it just wasn't coming.

He was the only player to look genuinely heartbroken at the end and he's the only player I can say I believe played well.

Coady had a poor game, the back four were unorganised and, once Price went off, they were left unprotected from midfield.

Wallace was very poor and Iorfa seems to have lost his mojo completely. Mason gave it a good go up front but it just wasn't happening for him.

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Comments for: "E&S fans' verdict on Wolves 0 Barnsley 4"

wollffiee

Steve Plant.......Coady was worse than useless. He can't pass, control , head or read the ball. Stearman was no better. Hamill waltzed past both of them for his goal, pathetic performances.

Motown Wolf

First of all, thanks to the paper for doing this exercise. As a Wolves fan from the States (Detroit Michigan) I do not have access to most games. I actually am limited to following the games through various blogs. This variety of opinion from eight fairly knowledgeable fans is an excellent source of information.

I enjoy the commonalities and differences in the observations and find them interesting.

Sarah's comment about Jon Dadi says a lot about the Iceland team. Is their journey through Euros still a mystery when we see his effort and passion??

Thanks and keep this up....

Pullis for lngerland

When Romain Saiss was signed i thought that of all the players he was going to be the key .Defensive mid fielder who can stop the opposition and start attacking play.Also can play centre half.Bacelona were interested and had him watched.So where his he ?.Also Jon who has experience of the championship.Again whats the problem?.It also looks like Silvio probably not going to appear if at all any time soon.Seems what happened to Valencia when Mendes got involved is happening to us.

wollffiee

Spot on Pullis,

I copied the article from facebook onto the E and S site.

It looks as though we have joined the Jorges Mendes club. A pool of average players that he has had a cut of. They will be loaned out and inter sold like pieces of horse flesh. That's the reality of the situation.

ASHMA WOLVES

In my humble opinion i think Zenga picked both Saturday and last nights team on Friday.

As why would you completely drop Borthwick Jackson and put Ivan on the bench our best two players on Saturday showing great link up play.

Like most fans can not understand the wholesale changes every match this has to stop

MikeT

Entirely agree. Isn't there a saying that you only change a winning team if you can improve it? Well from the team that beat Birmingham so well nine started last night. But in between those games seven of those nine have faced being dropped to the bench or from the match squad entirely.

Undoubtedly CBJ strengthened the team on Saturday and was man of the match but then dropped entirely!

If it isn't already, the dressing room will be split and spirit will go out of the window.

This is no way to run a Championship team.

Bloseph

Thought the "Grey Toyoto Yaris" line was great.

Some people seem to think Walter should have protected a 0-1 score instead of going all out for one or three points.

Gaining one point more makes goal difference irrelevant.

wolfo

Yeah was a funny line that,

would of been hilarious if it happened in the ground after the 3rd of 4th goal and like 1,000 fans stand up to claim its their car and sneak out.

I wouldnt really of prefered playing for a point no, as its sounds like he played the same side as last season basically which was half the problem? attacking wise 4-3-3 doesnt work with wallace and price on and coady, bodvarsson was stranded.

Hope zenga doesnt cave in and play the same team to keep fans happy about consistency, newcastle win do us 10-0 if we go up and play 4-3-3 again.

Charlie

8 players from last season started the game says it all. Zenga won't make that mistake again.

Stearman re-signing was a mistake. As much as I love Batth not sure he is going to cut it at this level.

We need a new CB or perhaps 2.

Start Hause and Iorfa, inexperienced but class.

WV1.Dylanwolf

Is the clue in the name? Steve Plant. Actually a Baggies fan are you?

If you were "asleep" first half and wished to be going home at 65 minutes, then why are you attending matches at the Molineux at all and why are the Express and Star paying you for your comments?

If I hear the "doesn't understand English football" and the "has no experience of the Championship" line once more I shall scream. There I've screamed already. Stop it.

Professional footballers are professional footballers wherever they are from and wherever they have attained their experience. Wolves new recruits are in general young players who aren't superstars at the clubs we've bought them from - the kind of players fans seem to be imaging we should be buying aren't going to come to the Molineux and play second level football.

So start supporting the team, encouraging the players, whether its Danny Batth, Richard Stearman and Jack Price or Cavaleiro, Teixeira and Costa you're cheering. Each have their own merits and their own failings.

And you know the best way to ensure that those failings become more evident. Yeah, by piling in to them with constant criticism.

The players and Zengo know that the late capitulation in that game was embarrassing and unacceptable. But that doesn't mean the other 72 minutes was garbage, even though it wasn't what we might have hoped for and we're clearly still struggling to slip into the higher gears that would create chances.

The probability is that once the team start playing more cohesively, like a unit, then things will improve and don't forget that football often turns up the unexpected. Just because we lost 0-4 at home and Newcastle won 6-0 away last night doesn't mean that Saturday's game is a foregone conclusion.

Nor does three disappointing results in a row mean certain relegation, any more than beating Birmingham away and Reading at home meant we were certain top six finishers

The Huddersfield, Burton and Barnsley games have been disappointing, but that doesn't mean the next five games will be too.

ELDERVO

Not sure what's going on at Wolves but whatever it is, it's not good. We have extremely wealthy owners, arguably the best of the recent influx of Chinese into the W.Midlands. However, the reality of the Mendes connection and the drivers behind player recruitment leave a lot to be, at the very least, questionable.

The Championship is not that difficult to understand surely. Ultimately, in order to be successful, It is a league that demands players of a certain standard, a squad predominantly of players that have a track record of success in this league, a manager that has experience of this league (division) and most importantly a recruitment department (or manager if that is the how it is set up ) that knows how to put together a squad capable of taking this division by the scruff of the neck and dominating it.

The players we have seen brought to the club, are imo, probably all of a standard that should be playing at this level. That is entirely different to being able to fit into a squad that is capable of gaining promotion. The players we needed were available and were not signed for whatever reason. Lack of funds ? Lack of willingness to spend available funds? Players wouldn't come to us ? why not, if that's the case?? Recruitment personnel, not up to the task or too much reliance on Mendes who will only bring in his own people ?

ELDERVO

cont' ....

All in all, I believe it is too many wild cards all at once to ever have any chance of success.

We have new owners that know nothing.

We have a new coach that has no experience of this league.

We have new players that have no experience of this league.

We have, arguably the highest standard of competition this level has ever seen.

We have a recruitment team that have been at this level long enough to know which players have proven track records and should be targeted, but if they do not have the ultimate decision on targets then what is the point in employing them?

Conclusion ... Right owners/backers, wrong Manager/Coach, wrong players brought in (recruitment dept. or outside Mendes involvment, who knows ?)

Exciting times but only if channeled in the right direction. Hopefully all this is just a trial from Fosun's pov and when it doesn't work (which would be my view, unfortunately) They will try a different tack.

I will be at both Newky games, staying close to the ground at the Sandman if anyone is also staying over and fancies a pint. Don't worry I'm not always this miserable ! lol.

wolfo

"The one thing that stuck with me from the first half was the chances we didn't take. Particularly the two that Wallace squandered by taking the shot himself instead of playing in Bodvarsson."

Hope wallace gets dropped for this, greedy greedy lad, put himself above the team, when we could of gone 1 up if he played in the 2 strikers un marked in the box? very selfish.

No point spending 14million or so, if you dont plan on playing them?

consistency yeah right! barnsley brought on their subs and it changed the game? Defence looked knackered and had no leader, bath looked like he was on his own, as a unit the lads were rubbish and slow and gifted barnsley the win.

Hope to see Jackson back in the side next game, saiss in midfield, texiera starting a full match, costa, ola john who knows the league. Rest coady, bath, doherty, wallace, price, ikeme, prince if he's tired, maybe even rest mason and bodvarsson who are struggling to score.

memarkford

Who is Peter Abbott and what is he on about. he’s clearly never kicked a football in his life and if he as he was not very good and for the rest if you’re not happy stay away the team do not need you and your stupid negative summing up of a game you clearly do not understand. sorry the Russ guy make some good points.

One minute you want players signed then you say it's to many players then the owner does not know what he's doing. you lot are the issue not the Club, the owners, the manager or the players.

It needs time if it takes the season we are still in a better place than we were under the builder. They told you all its a long term plan not a two month plan.

wba-man

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...stop for breath..hahahahahahahahaha

BeeCee

With a comment like that it should be WBA-infant. Silly child.

Faagen-Bazs

"stop for breath"

No, please, keep going.

Thomas

A man is one thing you aint .... boy!!

CAROLINA WOLF

That's sad.

ELDERVO

Blimey, you lot do get out of breath quick don't you. Is that why none of the players can make it past the half way line ?

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