Wolves' Carl Ikeme breaks hand in dressing room row
Wolves goalkeeper Carl Ikeme could miss the rest of the season after punching a tactics board and breaking his hand in a dressing room row with Dean Saunders.
The 26-year-old lashed out following an argument with boss Saunders after conceding a calamity own goal in Saturday’s 2-1 win against Bristol City at Molineux.
The Wolves manager today confirmed the dressing-room incident and admitted he had earlier said Ikeme sustained the injury on the pitch, to try to protect the player.
The injury, suffered at half-time and forced his substitution, could mean Ikeme misses the rest of Wolves’ battle against relegation from the Championship.
The half-time row came after a howler in which Ikeme allowed a backpass from David Davis to squirm through him for an own goal. Saunders is believed to have criticised Ikeme at half-time and the keeper then punched the board.
He said this afternoon: “He didn’t mean to break his hand but it’s created a problem for us because he isn’t going to be available. I’m really disappointed with it and so is he.”
Saunders defended his earlier decision to say Ikeme injured his hand during the game by insisting he was protecting the player.
“After the game I didn’t know Carl had broken his hand and I tried to keep everything in the dressing room and tried to protect Carl. What’s said in that dressing room doesn’t normally get out there but now he’s broken his hand and all the supporters want to know so there’s a responsibility to let them know why he’s not available to play,” he said.
Wolves legend Steve Bull today said: “I can understand the frustrations and anger that he would have felt about everything. But he was being silly because his hands are the tools of his trade and it’s now cost him.”
Ikeme’s injury means Dutch goalkeeper Dorus De Vries, is likely to play the rest of the season with Wolves also set to recall Aaron McCarey from his loan at Walsall.
Comments for: "Wolves' Carl Ikeme breaks hand in dressing room row"
Scowling Joe
Silly sausage.
The Versifier
Wolves are a mess,
let me guess,
you're a happy Clapper,
that's not dapper,
join in with the shouts,
DS clown out.
WW Fan for Life
I got it this time!
williebright
the real clowns are those who go around calling fellow wolves supporters "happy clappers".. happy clappers are those supporters that latch on to whatever team happens to be on top and are mostly Man U supporters. It is a contradiction in terms to be a wolves supporter and a happy clapper. Being a wolves supporter is as far away from being happy as its possible to be and its been like that for the most part of the last 50 years.. Wolves are in a mess and have been in a mess for a long time before Saunders came along.. The real clowns are those like you who think anyone is going come along to sort the mess out in 5 minutes.. By the way i'm sure people have told you that your verses are amusing.. they were lying
Working from holme wolf
Well said Williebright, a great point indeed and versifier your verses are more embarassing than that back pass, truly toe curling.
whitmore wolf
frustration showing both with manager and player.
unfortunately for a goalkeeper one mistake and it's a goal, the outfield players can get away with it because there is usually covering for them. Ikeme has covered for the mistakes for most of the players this season, and would probably have been player of the season.
saunders would have been better having a go at them all instead of singling out a particular player which seems to have been the case as Ikeme punched a board
Filthy Wolf
If only they showed that sort of determination on the pitch all the time.
Frankly I have never rated Ikeme. And this sort of attitude in truth is not the way the club needs to go.
E11wolf
Ikemi is a very good player who we will probably us in the Summer thanks to Saunders' man management skills. The last thing you do to a player who makes such an error is have a go at him. Ikemi knew he had made a massive error and needed the support of his manager.
If the report is true then Saunders is not the man to keep us up.
By the way. HALLO to those CLOWNS who deterred Morgan from appointing Steve Bruce last year. Take a look at where HULL are at the minute........
Haling wolf
Comments you make have no factual base you don't know what happened in the dressing room as stated what happens in the dressing rooms stays there the club have refused to comment & just because steve Bruce is doing well with hull has no bearing on his ability to manage us that's just a rant as far as I can see & you call others clowns...!
astleistheking
And of course Wolves fans would never have a go at a player for that would they?
Filthy Wolf
Ikeme is not our first choice keeper, and he might have good games but he is not a quality goalkeeper. I'm sorry but a number of Wolves players need someone to 'have a go' to kick their backsides. Complacency got us here. Wake up before you make a comment.
Joe Page
E11wolf - Spot on. You beat me to it.
sandy gray
See you @ the Coach & Horses - c'mon u Os (my 2nd Team) after Waaaaalsalllll! Weem dooomed....
Oh please
"He didn't mean to break his hand?" I should hope not!
BOF
You would obviously not recognise a good football player if he sat on your face!
Ikeme has always been the better of our goalkeepers ( apart from Matt Murray) he will be a sad loss for the season.
De Fries will do as good job as he needs to do.
Dean should not dare to think of getting rid of Ikeme.
Safe for another year.
UTWanderers
Maybe he was just fed up of DS rubbish tactics
Speaks volumes...
"never rated Ikeme", are you serious?, he's always been a fantastic keeper & arguably the best on our books...................or was he the only player you hadn't had a go at yet?
quality counts
.. shoulda punched Deano...better for everyone , including the fans
Stato's Boring Brother
I don't blame either of them for this. Ikeme was probably feeling a bit silly about his share of the mistake (the old saying is something like the man who has never made a mistake has never done anything) and Saunders had every right to have a go at him and the team as a whole. Its part of the manager's job to give his team a rollocking if he thinks they need it and Ikeme just lashed out in frustration. It just shows that they both care.
Football has a long history of half time rollockings, arguments, punch ups, flying tea cups and boots, kicked down doors etc. If it shakes the team out of the state of shock they appeared to be in on Saturday its something that has to be done.
In the old days what happened in the dressing room stayed in the dressing room but today's players are on twitter more often than they kick the ball.
sports giant
Oh dear we are a joke,better if we get relegated and start again
Noisy
Deja vu all over again
Putney Wolf
'Deja vu all over again'. I think that's called a tautology.
Noisy
Assume you're more Christophe than Yogi Berra then.
Aldridge Wolf
Thankfully, there is a club that's an even bigger joke than us (hard to believe I know!) in Blackburn Rovers! I can't believe the utter mess that Steve Morgan and Jez Moxey have made of this famous old club over the last few years.
From building unrequired stands instead of investing in the team (and going way over schedule and then abandoning phase 2 of the project altogether). Then sacking a manager far too late with absolutely no alternative already lined up and therefore appointing his likeable but out-of-his-depth assistant to oversee our inevitable drop into the championship. From appointing a random manager with the remit of changing the club's entire footballing philosophy only to sack him 6 months later to appoint a random manager with the remit of changing all of the changes back again!
Well done Steve and Jez, truly heroic stuff, now off you go and count the early bird sales, shouldn't take you long.....
Bwolvo
Are you generally serious if we go down our future plans are finished forever morgan will go moxey will become chairman and we will be screwed
darren woolridge
MORGAN, NOW GET A GRIP!!!! GET YOUR HAND IN YOUR POCKET AND GET 4 LOAN PLAYERS IN NOW!!!!!!!!!! NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE WAGES ARE, GIVE US A FIGHTING CHANCE FOR GOD SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMATURES!!!!!!!!!!
ABSOLUTE AMATURES!!!!!!!
IT IS GOING TO TAKE YEARS TO PUT THIS RIGHT
YOU ARE ALL PATHETIC AND A TOTAL LAUGHING STOCK
IF YOUR NOT PREPARED TO PUT THINGS RIGHT THEN GET LOST!!!!!!!!!!!, WE WILL TAKE OUR CHANCES.
Scowling Joe
Cheer up my good fellow
All things cannot be as bad as they seem
Probably no need to shout and bellow
Stand up and be counted, be true to your team
Laughing stock is something we're not
Only a baggie would laugh at our dangers.
Calling for new owners could cost us the lot
Knowing whats happened at portsmouth and rangers
Mills wolf
Very good joe !!
But you either have no job to keep coming up with these or your a poet and you..... Didnt even realise haha
CAPS LOCK !
PJW Holland
Pity it does not scan.
Mr Pedant
For God's sake...
Amateurs...
If you're...
Ricwolf
What's an amature? If Steve Morgan goes, we will be in real trouble. Do you want us to end up like Coventry? Instead of criticising all the time, try getting behind the team, especially during matches. It was noticeable how much better the team played on Saturday once we scored and the crowd actually cheered and encouraged the players. The treatment of Stephen Hunt was terrible. He was booed before he had even kicked a ball and yet, as it turns out, he was probably our best player.
BOF
It is an armature without an 'r'.
rmless really.
UTWanderers
Tokyo Wolf
It's 'amateurs'. Some professional spelling might help your case. You spell and use punctuation like Saunders speaks.
Loyal Wulfrian
Discord in the ranks I fear, all is not well at the mol. Unfortunately this kind of atmosphere takes a lot of sorting out, and we do not have the time. We are in serious deep trouble. UTW
ikeme's glove
crap pass from davis, but no surprise to hear saunders blaming his players at half-time - what a manager...
Magellan
Well who else would you suggest he blames? Ikeme and Davis were the only ones culpable, the architects of their own downfall - just because you have taken an immediate dislike to Dean Saunders don't be so short-sighted. After that first half display would you think it was acceptable for DS to placidly enter the dressing room and tell the players that everything was alright??
Personally I think it at least proves that the manager and the players (well, some of them!) have passion for the club and are desperate to keep us in the division. It's a shame that the way this passion was demonstrated has led to us potentially losing one of our most consistent players for the rest of the season but it shows how much Ikeme cares. Whether DS is the right man for this job long-term is still in question but it's not his fault that he inherited a complete mess. Seven point from our last four games is a decent return, if we get the same points ratio from our final eight games we will finish with 56 points which will keep us up..
Keep believing!
ZakEdJones
I'm sorry but Ikeme was to blame, Davis offered the short option but was being closed down from an opposition player running at him from behind, Ikeme should've noted that and just blasted it up the pitch instead of messing around in the most dangerous area of the pitch.
sandy gray
Davis couldn't wait to get rid of the ball. I feel sorry for Ikeme because commiserations were due from the WHOLE team. Our manager has always sounded to me like a linguistic accident waiting to happen. And I have never liked managers who like to pass the responsibilty buck. McGhee springs to mind. Oh what have we done to deserve this??? Which gods have we upset?
shewolf
Fancy undermining your keeper like that. You should be building up his confidence, not having a go at him. Ikeme has been superb this season. I have been very impressed with him.
Sadly, it seems Saunderrs is a clown of a manager and a dismal appointment.
Fozzy Bear
'Undermining your keeper' like what ? You were not in the dressing room anymore that any of us were.
It's not his first mistake, good though he's been this season. It is a manager's job to deal with a lack of commitment and Dean Saunders has every right to reprimand his players. Ikeme should be a lot more professional than he appears to have been.
Can you imagine what Sir Alexand his hair dryer would have done to the man ?
It's a man's game and the whole team need to liven up.
purewolves
I agree it was a bad back pass but Ikeme actually summoned for him to give him the ball. I was up in the Steve Bull Upper and I had just said with what Ikeme had done previously coming out of his area. He was going to cock up big time in a bit and as soon as I had finished my sentence the calamity happened, so maybe its my fault too. LOL
old golds worth more
You said it yourself, crap pass from Davis so no surprise to hear Saunders blaming his players!!! Who was he to blame then, himself for selecting them? If you cock up in any walk of life you get criticism, these people are very well paid sportsmen, they should at least be able to pass and collect a ball correctly, DS was right to have a go at both of them. If they can't take the rough with the smooth then adios to them. But in this instance it appears that Ikeme was the only one to react violently (albeit against a tactics board), and broke his hand. Fine him for sheer stupidity and for being unprofessional if nothing else! We have been calling out for a tough manager who will grab these players by the scruff of the neck and sort them out, but as soon as he asserts his authority, there is much wailing and gnashing of the teeth, you can't have it both ways, he either gets tough with them or allows them to carry on how they like. I prefer the get tough approach when we are in this situation that's for sure.
AucklandKiwiWolf
Carl Ikeme's mistake(s) fall into insignificance compared to the blunders made by Wolves outfield players,many of them the 'mainstay' of the team.He has been Wolves' saviour in a number of games.I hope that you return soon Carl!
SteveB
Agree 100% I've hurt my hand a few times over the last few years thanks to our outfield players.. But then again, I'm not the Wolves keeper! But has the real story come out? Did he REALLY hurt his hand punching Davies's thick skull???
Spartacus
Think this sums up the player's view of DS..
mickeyb
Make him play with a broken hand then or suspend him without pay, if I would have done that I would have been escorted from the premises and suspended for violent conduct.
Chris White
Well that really is going to help us Carl. Thanks for your contribution to our survival quest.
Speaks volumes...
Yes Carl, I'll ignore all the times your saves have won us points, those contributions don't count.......obviously!
He was annoyed, with Saunders?, with himself?, or both!, he lashed out at the tactics board, maybe, just maybe he was annoyed he'd let the team & US down.. Please don't think this player doesn't care enough, that is too simple to say, even for some on this board.
Dr Wolf
This season just gets better and better! Not.
100%Wolf
Cracking man management there Deano....no player who makes a mistake like that needs to be told, especially a player who with multiple man of the match performances has dug us out so many points this season.
On the pitch at the time, NOT ONE player went to Carl and offered encouragement or consoled him.....compare this to the reaction of Villa players after 2 recent mistakes by their young players.
Tipton
Agreed 100%
Neil306
Totally agree with you. It shows there is absolutely NO team spirit. Get rid of all the deadwood in the summer, even if we have to release them all on free transfers.
Saunders should leave his rants til AFTER the game. Shows how bad a manager we have appointed
barneyanbarker
SPOT ON!what goes on off the pitch is behond me! There has got to be a split between the players What about who knows! PROVES no respect for Saunders or solbaken ,proves players at mo dont give a donkeys about our club!
Trurowolf
Well put sunshine!
Abbo Wolf
Good point, very well made. The entire club is obviously devoid of any sort of leadership at the moment. Hopefully there is enough fight in the players as individuals to keep us up. Fingers crossed UTW
Woolfie 4371
Well Carl Ikeme you were to blame for the goal on Saturday and then you go and do something even more stupid you break your hand with temper . If that stupidity in breaking your hand has cost us our place in the championship I for one will NEVER FORGIVE YOU. As for the other injured players especially SAKO hope your back soon mate, but realistically I don't expect to see you play for us again as I think you'll be sold in the summer when we are relegated to League 1 unless we can have more wins like that on Saturday , DS says we need 5 wins that's 4 to go I really cannot see us getting them but on Saturday I didn't think we would come back from that calamity of an own goal.
darren woolridge
Woolfie,
IF IT WASNT FOR CARL WE WOULD BE RELEGATED ALREADY!!!!!!
THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!!!!!!!!
THIS IS THE FIRST MISTAKE HE'S MADE IN AGES, GET OFF HIS BACK, WHEN THE PERSON WHO IS SUPPOSED TO ENCOURAGE YOU TELLS YOU ITS YOUR FAULT THEN YOUR GONNA BE PIS@&D OFF AINT YOU!!!! IF DAVIS HADN'T GIVEN HIM A SUICIDE BACK PASS THEN CARL WOULDN'T HAVE BROKEN HIS HAND WOULD HE???????
LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR SHALLOW REPLY XXX
jez moxey junior
Second Cardiff goal? Although agree that he has been one of the better players this season and shouldn't be being 'hung out to dry' by the Manager either publicly (within the media) or privately (with the dressing room).
Neil306
Woolfie, your lack of football intelligence shines through in this post.
Kids as young as TEN are taught that you NEVER pass back to a goalkeeper directly infront of goal. Pass it wide of goal and the worst that can happen is that you concede a corner.
DAVIES is the player who caused this NOT Ikeme.
Frantic Friday
How many times has he been awarded man of the match !!! are you not going to forgive him for that either...If it wasnt for his performances in goal with a shambles of a defense in front of him then we would be relegated already...Where was the capatin or the rest of the team to give him encorouargement and get his confidence back...
Lonewolf
Wolfe I bet Karl is botherd
Matt Wolf
Ikeme is one of the few players to come out of this season with any credit. A shame DS didn't punch something putting him out for the rest of the season in frustration at his inept performances every day in training and every match day since Morgan appointed another manager who is out of his depth and will never be the quality to manage this club unless he takes us into the Conference.
Albrightondek
Until Saturday, I think Carl Ikeme was perhaps the leading contender for Player of the Season - if such an award is appropriate this season. Both he and David Davis have to share the responsibility for the mistake that led to the first goal. He may like it, but that's life.
Did he punch the wall because he did'nt like Saunders criticism, or because he was mad at himself? Either way he has now put himself out for the rest of campaign.
What is not clear, is whether he would have been substituted, had he not imposed a self inflicted injury on himself. I think it would have been harsh if he was going to be subbed at half time as he has been largely blameless for the abysmal season we have had. It was a bizarre mistake which he may never repeat again in his career. It just needs putting in perspective.
Although Saunders has said that, what goes on in the dressing room stays in the dressing room, I think it would appreciated on this occasion, if he cleared up what exactly happened.
Leon
Very true Albrightondek.. It was a shared mistake, both players made the error.. Davis gave Ikeme a bad ball and Ikeme dealt with it badly. It was not impossible for him to clear, but it was a schoolboy mistake by two players. Ikeme has been one of the better players this season. The mistake could of cost us big time, but thankfully, we live to fight another day.
GrEen NigEL
Saunders out
Ikeme out
Brightonwolf
Shame you didn't break it knocking some sense into Saunders!
Speedy recovery Carl, you have been brilliant most of this season and have done much more for this Club than Dean will ever do. Everyone makes mistakes, you have made one howler...Moxey, Morgan and Saunders only know how to make howlers.
Recall the past
The aim should have been at Davis, if anyone would have given Pete Jukes a pass back like that you would have known about it and would never had done it again.
We now need the reserves to show for the team.
Cardiffwolf
You couldn't make it up
Let's have some positive news regarding loan signings this week, please
wish i could spell like wolves fans
EXCELLENT CAREER MOVE!!
TOP MARKS AND SAKO OUT
PeteNuts
Well, this certainly makes us sound like a team united, professional and fully in control.
I hope to God we're going to fine the lad. I mean, that's like me setting fire to my keyboard and still expecting to complete my working day.
Ted Farmer
How childish! He deserved everything DS threw at him and if he can't take the criticism then he shouldn't be taking his 'inflated' salary. He is another player who has put the club at further risk of being relegated, by breaking his own hand in a fit of anger. I'd stop him a months salary and tell him he can leave the club with this selfish and childish behaviour!
'Let's all pull together' - what a joke!!
farmer piles
He could have waited till 90 minutes had been played.how many points has Ikeme won his this season quite a few of the lowly amount we have
fat boy jamie
would you also fine davis aswell for returning a poor back pass in front of goal !
old golds worth more
Fine Davis for the back pass!!! Ikeme isn't being fined for failing to collect it, he's being (or should be) fined for his outburst which resulted in him breaking his hand. We want a strong manager, not one who lets players off because they have previously played well! Did Ferguson let Beckham off? No he threw that now famous boot at him, cutting him in the process, so are those who blame DS for having a go at the players, also going to say Ferguson is a crap manager because he's had a go at his players?
p
So much for we are all pulling together there seems to be more problems in the squad .I think a lot of micks old guard are at the root of the trouble .What ever happens for the rest of the season we should have a clear out come what may, fingers crossed for the rest of the season
Ilkeston wolf
40 faultless games in which numerous points were achieved due to Ikeme then one instance of compounding davis's error and Saunders sees fit to lay into our player of the season leading to this latest episode of a shambolic season.
Please Morgan, let us see our start to third tier football be with a new club secretary (Moxey out), a new director of football (Graham Turner) and under him a new manager of his choice. Perhaps with some football knowledge we might arrest even further slide.
r smith (skeg smith)
Kick him while his down Saunders what about Davis as much his fault.
Just go.
Dorris
Bad choice , Deano would have been the softer option to punch!
Mills wolf
I think we all knew what has happened... Doesnt take a genius to work out.
But at fist he was rumoured to of hit the tactics board untill saunders pointed out that we dont have a tactics board ; ) lol
101 chicken chow mein
i know wev,e been fed some c**p by the media but telling us they use tactics takes the biscuit he he he ho ho ho ha ha ha you kill me greavsy he he he ho ho ho tactics board ha ha ha
JDG
I often thought it would be interesting to be a fly-on-the-wall in the Wolves dressing room. That's until I got punched by Ikeme!
jimmy paige
When is the film coming out? You couldn't make this up.
the hanging gardens of molineux
It makes a change. I thought Morgan had gone in the dressing room again banging his head against the wall!
Now Morgan is not the only one with a red face
Ooga Booga
What a joke..
Mike Tyson
He should have punched DS instead!!!!
mossman
If Dean Shambles was taller he would have not hit the wall. Shambles said he hurt his hand during the first half and he had no choice to sub him at halftime!
Can we trust this halfwit or believe anything he says again.
rich5wolves
De Vries is a better keeper anyway.
Sako is a big loss but maybe we can play more as a unit with other players in that role?
Trying to see the positives. Ward, Siggy can cover the wings worst case but what about Hammil? Where is he?
Dr Dre's Dentist
Well said De Vries hasn't had a look in since he joined and he's a good keeper. I think Ikeme looked quite good at the start of the season but he has gradually got worse. At Forrest the other week he was beaten by three goals outside the penalty area and should have done better. Saturdays goal was totally his fault , the backpass from Davis was poor but Ikeme totally fluffed it. Its Sako's hamstring which is the most worrying, because he's the most dangerous player we have and is unstoppable at this level when he is on form. I'm happy to see De Vries get the chance, he's a good keeper and was awesome for Swansea before they were promoted, he can kick a ball as well which is something Ikemes never been able to do.
Neil306
Dre, your lack of football knowledge is laughable
keep the fight on the pitch.
The team needs to play like it did in the last 15mins of Saturdays game. Up until that point we failed to turn their defence around. Also the midfield failed to make any passes between themselves, with the ball hit up to SEB and Doyle from distance. Hunt and Siggy were more mobile and were able to operate between Bristols midfield and back four and that allowed us to create chances.
c'mon you Wolves.
London Bloke
Just shows the mentality of this lot- can't handle the criticisms. Will Saunders last beyond the end of the season? What an utter shambles. If I was the young McCarey I'd beg to stay at Walsall so that I wasn't tarnished by this mess.
101 chicken chow mein
it gets worse by the minute , i fear relegation is nailed on unless we dip in into the loan market quickly, two midfielders needed, henry is no good neither is his replacement davies, o hara playing poorly, tongo waste of space since getting a contract, i realy think this is our problem area not defence or attack, half the time o hara is comeing back behind henry to receive the ball from the defence , its up the field doing damage in the opposition half we need him,defenders and henry seem incapable of bringing the ball out of defence, hope peszco now gets a chance but doubt it.
Chris
Yes he made an error, but look at how consistently well Ikeme has played all year. Awful man management from Saunders.
Pålar Wolf
"...against the wall" makes the story far more sensible than previous rumours about hitting the tactic board!
ICan'tBelieveIt
I've heard of "shooting yourself in the foot", but this is ridiculous.
Hartlebury Torch Man
And for their next trick, Messrs Morgan and Moxey will be building a lifesize replica of the Titanic. All aboard!!!!
Mills wolf
Dont pay him untill he's fully fit, self inflicted injury to put him out of the season deserves nothing less.....
At the very least if he was going to break his hand punching something why wasnt it moxey ? Lol
ja
,cant wait till the season is over ,i see celtic want doyle in the summer ,what a mess wolves are a fan for over 35 years ,i just hope to god we stay up
Glutton for punishment
Rollercoasta
Shambolic end to a shambolic season , a win against the worst team in the league proves nothing , the terminal disease in this club is near its end and the outcome is plain to see , relegation a certainty ,
So so sad
chris h
I live outside of circulation for the Express and Star ,when in the area I buy it and usually enjoy reading Martin Swain's column. But what is all this on twitter about criticism of Roger Johnson in last night's column. What is the point of that,at this stage of the season. ? Johnson played well on Saturday and is forming a decent partnership with Gorkiss.We will need his total commitment for the rest of the season. Martin Swain never criticises Jez Moxey,where a large chunk of the blame lies,but seems content to make disruptive comments that might unsettle the dressing room(even more) at this crucial stage of the season. Whose side is he on?
Thehoffsleftsock
O m g, brilliant, at least being a wolves fan there is never a dull moment, lets prey a 20 foot balti pie falls on moxey now!!
bilodave
That sir made me loff!
Poppadum and Poppadumber
I think the record size curry was made at the Eastern Eye in Lichfield. Abdul Salam is said to be one of the U.K’s leading Indian chefs.
In 2000 he entered the Guinness Book of world records for creating the world’s biggest curry. Then he beat his own world record by creating a 10 tonne curry in his home town of Lichfield . Chef Abdul Salam smashed his own world record of 3.1 tonnes in his latest extravaganza.
I think he could do a good pie!
Genevawolf
Feel very sorry for Ikeme. We know he has played consistently well for us this season. Now it's time to explore Dorus as our new #1 - God knows he has been waiting long enough for an opportunity.
Sir Lupi
We am a loffin stock.
Im just lost for words........
TJ
Well that about sums it up , Ikeme should have nothing to moan about bloomers happen and more than once hes saved us from humiliation and the fans are behind him . Bristol fans took the p...s but were always going to and was at his fans end second half , should have accepted and got on with the job in hand
elizabeth latham
HAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. NOT AGAIN.
One flew over the cuckoos nest
As a goalkeeper thumping the wall is last thing you want to do out of frustration . It's been like a comedy down the molineux this season.
NICE WOLF
Thats more bad news....To lose 3 first team palyers in one match, just underlines, what a rubbish season we are all enduring..
As Stephen Hunt says" one mans misfortune etc"... Lets hope those who take Edwards Sako Ikeme places step up to the mark...
I draw comfort that Middlesbough are on a poor run and if we could get 3 points from that match would help confidence, big time...
UTW
IanTheLichfieldWolf
Yes, 3 points against a Middlesbrough team in freefall and this will all seem much less significant.
If Ikeme had made as many mistakes as Morgan and Moxey then we would be in an even bigger mess. Not great man-management from Saunders if he tore into Ikeme, I'm sure no-one felt worse about it than him.
knocker knowles
Dean Saunders is a joke of a manager, and he is turning the club into a bigger joke !
London Bloke
No, to be fair to DS the club were a laughing stock long before he arrived on the scene. He has helped to make it look even more stupid with assistance from the clowns in the boardroom. Even Spike Milligan would struggle to write the script for this Goon Show.
can't help it
Michael Appleton?? joking!! kind of!
TJ
well that about sums it up . Ikeme has saved us from humilation more than once , it was obvious that Bristol fans would take the pee , and second half was at our fans end so should have taken the stick and got back out there , bloomers happen but not the end of the world
StaffordWolf92
I would have thought it would have been wiser to give Ikeme some encouragement to pick his chin up rather than criticism. But then again, Dean Saunders is a superb manager and he knows exactly what he's doing...
BrummieRobWolves
So our player of the season is out now? Like the Blackpool game, this was as much the outfield players fault as the keepers! Ikeme certainly should not have been singled out, as the whole team were dire in the first half of a must win game. People who don't rate Ikeme, cannot possibly think that Hennessey is better? What about the numerous shots he could not get down to from the edge of the area last season and the Albion howler?
Middlesbrough, Huddersfield and Burnley - all home games - are the must win games, in my opinion and if we do, we will just about stay up? The problem is that Saunders seems as clueless as TC!
Paul19
It's does not matter how well i work all year if i make a cock up i get a rollicking why is he any different i bet Davis got the same and just took it like he should hold your hands up say sorry move on, i don't blame Deano at all for this what did you want him to do say 'unlucky fellas carry on' As he said in the interview he gave everyone what for and so he should we was shocking, what would we have all told the team if we could've got in the dressing room a lot worse i bet!
jon mason
ds you should be ashamed of your self ikeme mad one blunder and because of your belittleing of the man he loses it he sould of punched you not the wall .this keeper has been brilliant for %95 of the season if it wasnt for him we would be down already. we are doomed now heding for oblivian. please ds moxey morgan please go now, your not wanted at my beloved club you make the bhatti bros look nice i have renewed my st for next season not for you but because im a wolves fan its in my blood but you comedians are draining it out of me GO GO GO NOW MUPPETS
Pedant Wolf
I know you are angry, but please check your spelling, grammer and punctuation. Some of these comments are beyond belief and make us look r-e-e-l-y-s-t-o-o-p-i-d. Thicko's.
TJ
still saunders dosnt see and after watching bristol blatantly obvious if you leave a man up front it takes two players away from attack to cover him
HershamWolf
I seem to remember a report of 'Salex' propelling a teacup at Becks whilst having a go at him. Becks later pictured with steri-strip plasters near his eye. What turmoil that club must have been in!
antony j
you cant make up a story like this eh?
TJ
WERES SLAWOMIR PESZKO ????
Mark B
Rumour is one more game and we have to stump up money to his club?
Percy
Ill judged comments obviously made to Ikeme at half time proves the manager is out of his depth! This appointment is going to prove a very costly mistake on Morgan and Moxleys part when relegation finally comes knocking on our door! I honestly can't see a way out of the bottom three, especially when our relegation counterparts seem to be getting their act together!!!
Welshwolf
What a shambles. Dumb of Dean to have a go at any player under those circumstances but Ikeme has been a star all season.
goldenwonders
So this whole issue proves one thing beyond doubt!
DEAN SAUNDERS HAS NOT GOT A CLUE!!!!!
...and he's a proven LIAR! He said Ikeme sustained the injury on the pitch!
So from now on we take everything he says with more suspicion!
As others have said Dean Saunders should know better than take it out on Ikeme - who has indeed saved us on more than one occasion from inept defending! This was yet another bit of inept defending that unfortunately he added to. But we all make mistakes and in order to bolster the terrible performance on Saturday a quality manager would not be chastising this type of error - maybe afterwards but not at half time. He should have been chastising the disjointed, mindless play by a team that has no game plan! - And Johnson you are a disgrace - not fit to wear the old gold!
What a mess - all down to Morgan and Moxey ...just compounded by Saunders!
WORRIED WOLF
It concerns me at how many are ready to pounce on Carl despite numerous great performances this season. Yes it was a terrible mistake bet those criticising are all perfectionists who have never made a mistake. I wish you a speedy recovery Carl, would love to know what happened though personally I think Deano was at fault and just another exampl of many proving that he is totally out of his depth. Please go NOW
angrywolf
Where is Hammil and the Polish winger who's name escapes me at the moment
Hunt has shown you that Wolves need wing men to assist our somewhat retarded strikers
Lets face it, its all too late now
Mills wolf
Is this where u been hiding then ? Lol
BLAKEDOWN WOLVES
Hammill you having a laugh should never wear a wolves shirt again after what he did to ambulance staff in Liverpool(pure scum)...Ikeme has done ok and looked ok because hes had to much to do ...also cost us games against Forest,Blackpool and Leicester...De Vries should have been ages ago....Saunders must have told Ikeme the truth and lets face it no very proffesional to punch somthing with the tools of your trade..UTW
New Invention Wolf
We have a tactics board?
lanemeyer
Apparently so..suprised me too.
It has an arrow from our goal keeper to the defender and than a very long line to the oppositions goalkeeper...this is tactic a,b,c and d
Anyone who was at the match on saturday would have seen that tactic for 70 minutes.
Kevin
Ikeme has been excellent this season. Yes he made an error but Davis was equally to blame. How dare Saunders have a go at him or making one mistake - What sort of man management is that. He should be building him up!.
It looks like we're going down but, if it it means getting rid of Saunders, it will be worth it. We were only 9 points of the play-offs when this clown took over and now look at us. Terry Connor couldn't have done worse.
DAV - SIERRA LEONE
So embarrassing. There is no unity within the club whatsoever. The players must feel so detached from everything. The board are not being at all supportive. The manager clearly lacks the right credentials to manage at this level.
Sadly, I feel we are doomed (I hope I am wrong) and destined for league one.
Until SM & JM realise their own mistakes and rectify them (by making big decisions) then I don't know how they will arrest this slide.
All the playing staff, all management, and all at board level are part responsible for the situation we are in.
It's a disgrace it has come to this and an insult to all passionate fans of Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Please....KEEP THE FAITH.
App Wolf
Wow, I would really love to have some of you guys as my boss, that way I could cock up and not get a rollicking. No one except those present knows what was said by whom and to whom. If it was a one to one or a group rollicking matters not, Ikeme whilst he has often been our saviour acted like a petulant child and has seriously hampered the season.
spanish ray
Morgan,Please take note,your wonderful manager has just proved once again that he is not up to the job.Ikeme has been a top player for us ,makes one mistake and is blamed for the goal by this great manager.He should have given Ikeme a quiet word but,of praise not condemn him.Get rid of him now and get in Adkins.Saunders is not fit to lace Adkins boots up.
RichWolf64
I have taken so much stick on these boards for criticising the board and the manager BUT...
Come on, we've now won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1 in the last 4 games. Looking at the league there is very little to choose between top 10 and bottom 3, so if we actually get behind the team there's a decent chance we could actually finish in a respectable position.
Hunt was outstanding on Saturday and I expect the same again from him this coming Saturday. I also expect us to win again, something I haven't been able to say for a long time.
So, I would say, save your moaning to the end of the season. For now, get behind the team like we all did when that goal went in on Saturday.
I don't want to go down and I'm putting all I've got into supporting the team.
Oh and finally, I thought Dorius De Vries looked really confident and assured on Saturday. The exact opposite in fact to Ikeme. So I don't have any worries there, currently.
shambles
Like you I don't think we will lose this coming Saturday. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT PLAYING!
You appear to have the same level of football awareness as our manager.
RichWolf64
Simple mistake. I did mean the following Saturday!
Stato's Boring Brother
Well done for your conversion Rich. I know you will never be a happy clapper but your current attitude is exactly what we want from all our fans.
Get behind the team at the match, sing, shout, barrack the opposition and officials etc. If things don't go as well as we want, wait until you're in the pub, car, coach etc after the match and then have a good moan.
The crowd definitely became the 12th man after we scored and you could see the players' confidence grow.
Kevm
Who would you rather have closer to the first team Saunders or Ikeme?.......
DAV - SIERRA LEONE
Two lies from DS....
1. injury to Ikeme was sustained during first half
2. He hit the TACTICS BOARD!!!.........GET OUT OF HERE, WE'VE NEVER HAD ONE!
St. Louis Wolf
What a PLONKA. I bet he still gets paid though! After all those MOTM performances this is disappointing; doesn’t say much for Saunders man-management skills.
I see Celtic is still interested to bring Doyle up to Glasgow at the end of the season, let’s cut our losses and sell. After all, he was bought to score and 24 goals from 127 league apps is not a good return.
UTW
Dave O
Saunders is believed to have criticised Ikeme for the blunder at half-time and the keeper then took out his anger on the board.
Which one of the board did he take it out on I do hope it was Jez LOL
Jez Moxey please resign
JJ
It doesn't bother me that Ikeme made a mistake. It doesn't bother me that he punched a wall and broke his hand. Its happened before with players and it will happen again.
What really bothers and concerns me is that the blatantly lied about it. Its made them looks stupid and makes you wonder now what else they have lied about.
Ginner Rovers
Should never have left DRFC
Jamo1972
Its hardly surprising we are the laughing stock of the West Midlands....even the fans are infighting...never mind the players and management.....!
If someone has an opinion....it's their oprinion...if you dont like it...you cant change it...no matter how insulting you are.
My opinion is - Saunders out !
Blackburn have cut loose today and shown some balls Morgan - act now before its really too late.
Jamo.
IsleOfBute
"Just 2 wins in 12".
I would prefer to read "2 wins from the last 3" - reflecting the general improvement overall lately. But no, that would be far too positive a spin to put on things...
Noisy
I wrote on Sunday in response to the suggestion that this had happened on the pitch that that was clearly not true, and he must have punched something. This is what really scares me about the club - they tell stupid lies and it makes you wonder what else is not true.
SIR NUMPTY of PENKRIDGE
As much as I rate Carl Ikeme, I think maybe a change of goalkeeper and a fresh voice and ideas between the sticks to freshen up the back line. Dorus de Vries distributes the ball well from the back and hopefully he will be a calming influence.
BrummieRobWolves
The only positive thing to be said of Dean Saunders is that he has got Gorkks and Robinson in and has dropped the likes of Henry, at long last and has given some youngsters a chance. The downside is his bad man management and opinions on very average players like Edwards? As if he is anywhere near as good as Peszko or Hammill on the right side!
De Vries is not in Ikeme's league either and has been on the end of a series of Cup thrashings!
Shewolf
I agree, He also seems to have recognised that Ward is not a LB/LM and tried to accomodate him somewhere else in the team.
I like Edwards, however. He is a good honest player.
Phil
Wish the papers would stop printing false reports.....Carl Ikeme did not punch a tactics board because we don't have one!
Roswolf
Wow! the biggest shock is that we have a tactics board!
nigel wolfnut
Ikeme would have got my vote as Player of the Season BUT he has made mistakes. Sitting in the Cullis stand you could see how angry he was with himself. If Saunders did have a go at him then it is poor man management. Ikeme would not have needed telling off. I think it was probably a measure of Saunder's own frustration and the pressure he is under IF what happened is as reported. The first half on Saturday was as bad as I have seen it. If we stay up Saunders must go no matter what. We now play prehistoric football lumping it forward. Solbakken was trying to get them to retain the ball, play to feet, but too many couldn't do it. No renewing season ticket for me until I know what's happening but if DS stays then it's a definate 'no'. His run of results would get many Managers the sack except he's the replacement. It's shocking really
KERLEY
100% IKEME' S FAULT....UNDER NO PRESSURE SHOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN A PASS TO DAVIS, BECAUSE DAVIS WAS ALREADY BEING CHASED BY ROBIN'S FORWARD....NEVER PASS TO MARKED MAN IN THAT POSITION!
POOR DAVIS....ITS HIS OWN GOAL BUT IKEME'S MISTAKE.....
WHAT DID IKEME EXPECT FROM DEANO AT HALF TIME.....A CONSOLING ARM MAYBE.......A SCHOOLBOY ERROR AND HE'S NOT MAN ENOUGH TO TAKE A ROLLOCKING.....
THE ERROR IS BAD ENOUGH....BUT TO BE UNPROFESSIONAL ENOUGH TO PUNCH A BOARD.....WHAT AN IDIOT.....
UP TO YOU NOW DORIS......I'M SURE YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH.......
EDWARDS BROKE HIS FOOT? WHERE IS THE BAD NEWS? HUNT IN.....OPENED HIS MOUTH LAST WEEK WHEN HE SHOULD NOT HAVE......BUT RESPONDED LIKE A TRUE INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL......
IKEME AND EDWARDS INJURED........NO PPROBLEM
SAKO INJURED ......OH DEAR!
WILL SOMEONE PLEASWE EXPLAIN.....WHERE IS PESKO????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
smithy
Should have saved his punch for when he found out the culprit who tied both his bootlaces together
BaggieBuckster
I can't believe that this story is true. There is no way that Dean Saunders has a tactics board!
Frantic Friday
It was Terry Connors !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
matty
Walsall will be taking our possesion next season. They most probly the formest team in the midlands. Got to take my hat of for them. Young team. Better than us wolves.
Bobby Smith
Ikeme should get lessons off of Solbakken - he obviously can't punch properly! Current scoreboard reads: Wolves ground 1 -managers and players 1. I bet the dugout roof is hoping for Ikeme to try one on it next.
Frank Chickens
Pesko or whatever his name is,has kicked his last ball for Wolves.
Remember the words "budget" and "wages".
On loan,easy to get rid.
Frantic Friday
The keeper makes one mistake had gets criticised by the manager in front of the team at half time, so what about all the mistakes that Kelvin, Ward, Edwards, Foley Fat boy O'hara, Berra make ! do they get ridiculed aswell ! Bad management on saunders behalf.When a keeper drops a howler like that on saturday he needs encouragement and not criticism...Did saunders have a go at davis aswell for a poor back pass....!!
tishtosh
ridiculed only by you! why can't you call them by their proper name ?shows a complete lack of respect and perhaps he did have a go at Davies but perhaps he was a little more grown up about it!
SpellCheck
'Why can't you call them by their proper names?'
It's Davis.
tishtosh
Ok , but that's just getting the spelling of a name wrong the other is just trying to be clever much like you!
Frantic Friday
I will keep on ridiculing Kelvin Henry and fat boy O'hara as were heading towards league 1, where Kelvin belongs and where we signed fat boy from , yes league 1 portsmouth...Or you will be telling me next that Hunt kept the wolves in the premiership tish tosh
tishtosh
Hunt didn't keep us in the premiership but he certainly helped!!!It's up to you if you want to call players stupid names so you carry on if it makes you feel better, bet you sit in the South Bank!
Johneboywolves
Ikeme is 1 of our best players this season. Punching the tactics board isn't clever but god knows what Saunders said to him? So now we have no established keeper for the run-in and the chance of several other injuries too. What a mess!!! I didn't think I'd see all this fiasco stuff again but here we are. When I think things can't get any worse they do. I can't see us staying up now and then Doyle, Henry, Ikeme, Blake, Sako etc will all want away when we drop. They may not be the best bunch of players but who are we going to get to replace them? Saunders will also go. Morgan is shaping up to sell too. So hang on to your hats folks.
Dorris
Blackburn sack their manager for a slump in results that's left them hovering above the relegation places. I can foresee an EXPERIENCED manager appointed ( there's a few decent names about right now ! ) that will steady the ship and get them the points they need! I also foresee our useless board being too narrow minded to admit that Deano is not the man for the job ( even though he's won half the games blackburns manager did! ) and stick with him until we're half way down division 1 . Dorris xxx
desperadoWolf
I'm afraid that's all rubbish.
The error was Ikeme. He passed to Davies who wasn't in a position to do anything but to pass it straight back . You can't blame davies for that.
And more to the point, irrespective, Ikeme should of saved it without any problems at all.
Victor Meldrew
Message to Mr Morgan, can we please have some money to buy a new tactics board, now, or do you want to wait and see what leauge we will be in next season?
Chuffy
This is gobsmacking news ..We have a tactics board...!!
Jameshaybarn
If I deliberately injured myself so I could not do my job I would not get paid, simple. I bet Ikeme is!! He needs to learn to kick a ball anyway, so now is the time!!
Jamo1972
hey..Baggie or not.....that is very...funny...had me laughin !
Dnwwfc
I liked the look of De Vries he played a sweeper roll which pushed our back line further up the pitch. Ikemes had a good season but its no major loss
JimDavis
I see Celtic feel their league is no longer competitive, so want to buy Kevin Doyle to help even things up.
ben
gid me a good laugh that did.
Spa Wolf
Ikeme has been on loan to many clubs yet none ever tried to buy him. I often wounder why, now I know.
He as played well this season but to me he never seems switched on. He does not talk to his defenders, his distribution is slow and his kicking is awful.
He catches the ball well and his shot stopping is o.k.
Now you can add to that list a sad lack of self discipline.
English Exile
Couldn't stop laughing when I read this.
Sorry Carl I wasn't laughing at your misfortune, it was just........ well......... the tactics board....hahaha
Was there anything on it???
Eye For An Eye
Pity Morgan & Moxley wasn't around, he could have punched them and done us all a favour.
Joe
So he obviously reacted to criticism from the gaffa over the stupid goal.
Well he should be fined for this stupid over reaction to Saunders rollocking!
Slim
That's gross misconduct. Now he's unavailable because he couldn't control his temper. Tear up his contract.
Chirk shrew
You won't be having turner as director of football---- why would he want to go to a shambles of a club like wolves.doing a great job at the well run club that is Shrewsbury.btw the next wolves manager will be andy morrell of wxm--- that is nailed on to happen.good luck in league1 next season
keanewolf
I didnt realise we all got to see what was said in the dressing room because a decent percentage of us seem to talk about the situation as if we were there and know the Ikeme did nothing to provoke that reaction.
How do we not know that Ikeme didnt punch the wall and thats what angered Deano because he had already been forced into subs?
Not saying this is what happened, just putting a different point if view out there.
KARLWOLVES
basic rule of football, if knocking the ball back to your keeper,knock to the left or right of the goal,NOT AT IT. what carl did in the dressing room might of been a bit stupid,but for fans to slag him of is out of .order. how many points or times he has saved us .from a hammering. this season. look forward to his return, get well soon carl..
Decca
Wake up troops, Carl and Hennesy will both be gone in the Summer, so thankfully we have Mccarey, to step in and keep out mighty Notts County and Crawley.
With Mcalinden and Cassidy up front, we'll start with pride.
Before you start, I've travelled all over the world for the lads, and been a season ticket holder for 21 years, but reality strikes now.
Come on the wolves, out of darkness cometh light
Bitter n'Twisted
Surely the big news here is that we have a tactics board?
paulp@sven.co.uk
Well done Dean , they needed a rollicking.
It worked, wolves won,Ikeme is a pleb.
Boz
DS must take a large portion of the blame for Bristols goal; he has obviously told Davis to come short for the ball on certain occasions when we have a goal kick and Ikeme just followed the managers instructions by playing it out. Sure, both Davis and Ikeme made a complete hash of it but we don't have the quality of players necessary to play 'Barcelona football' from the back, so DS instructing them to do so is certainly a mistake. DS telling his players to do this from a goal kick is even more strange considering that we largely play direct football from open play. Anyway, I think a break from the team will do Ikeme good; after being so good for most of the season, he has looked a little less convinsing lately. And De Vries is certainly an adequate replacement and who knows, a bit more experience in our backline may just help shaw things up.
GERRY HARRIS OWN GOAL
A goalkeeper is the last line of the defence.If he makes a mistake,it is often a goal.Carl Ikeme has saved Wolves on many occasssions.Just think of all the mistakes made by the outfield players.ie.defensive blunders,missing clear cut scoring chances.It is the oputfield players who have got us in this mess.
Joe Wilson's Clog
Just think of all the chances the forwards have missed this season.We are one of the lowest scorers in this division.Peterborough are above us by virtue of scoring more goals.That could tell at the end of the season.Poor defensive play and mistakes have cost us goals and matches.The biggest culprits are some of the more 'experienced' players.We should not blame Carl who has played very well and saved us in many matches.
wolves boo-boy
I would neither play him or pay him. You can see the advert, for sale: Tactics board, light damage and unused condition ! The problems all started the night the owner entered the dressing room after the Liverpool match, no one appears to know what he said to the players that night, but thats when everything seemed to change. The players attitudes must have reacted to that night and here we are, as I said at the start of the season heading for division 3. The 1980 league cup win and the games on the way to that final were great times, the fall after that time was due to money problems, but what is the problem this time ? What did the owner say that night that triggered this sad chain of events.
j ward
i blame board for to many bad decisions. they have employed all these managers and not fully backed them up.wheres the warchest gone mr redrow. ask stoke fans about moxey alls i can say is moxey out now i will pay taxi fair. and morgan as got to back us or do 1
Northern Wolf
Has it occurred to anyone that he didn't say anything to him - maybe he just told him he was being subbed and he lost it? Interesting what someone said about the lack of support from his teammates. Remember when Hennessey handed Albion the lead after being World Class to keep us in it? Everyone walked away except the skipper who dropped to his knees, smacked the ground and then laid into him. Might need more than a trip to the races to get this bunch bonded!
garry
Dumb-ass stunt to pull ! What a way to end another wise impressive season for Carl.
PeteNuts
Another? When was his last wise impressive season then?
old golds worth more
Err, wasn't it when he was at Middlesboro'? No hang on, maybe when he was at Crystal Palace, no no, maybe it was when he was at..........anyway, he was that impressive they all launched transfer bids for him didn't they?...but then again maybe not!!
garry
My apologies Pete, my keyboard ran away with me. I meant 'an otherwise impressive season'.
SEATTLE WOLF
Truly lamentable if we prove most of the bookies correct, and fall out of the Championship.
However, whether or not it was a mistake by Sunders to give Ikeme a blast of his dragon breath, we all have to move in.
One person glad to, I am sure, is De Vreis! He is more than handy to step into the fold, and can't be all that inept, or as much as Ikeme as he helped backstop Swansea City to the Premier League.
More worried about the summer and long term, having to do with said gaffer, should we survive the drop or not; for now we must trudge on, not have another knee-jerk reaction, as troubled Venky's just did with their sad Rovers, up the way in Lancashire!
Good luck with the rehab, Carl, and lucky you it didn't rearrange the manager's gob!
Bet your glad for the Fat Controller's excellent workman's comp insurance benefits!
UTOMW
CAPTAIN MANWARING
Stupid Boy......
oldgold46
well we are a TOTAL JOKE HOW FAR CAN THIS CLUB SINK NOBODY WILL WANT TO COME TO US, PLAYERS OR MANAGER UNTILL MORGAN/MOXEY GO OR FIND A BRAIN WE ARE DOMED.
Realistic Wolf
So much for the bonding session then eh Saunders, impressed how everybody rushed to support him. Personally just hope Saunders will go and quickly. Impressed with the early birds sales, have those at the top got the message yet, probably not, far to conceited to admit they are clueless like our manager.
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