Not sure the video is necessarily about selling season tickets. I think it's more a rallying call to get behind the lads and be the "twelfth man" for the rest of the season rather than barracking the team/manager and engaging in a pointless and damaging protest outside the main entrance.

You could always organise a protest with 40 or so 'hard core' moaners!

The posters on here would moan even if we were in the Premiership (Oh they already have!).

"tough times don't last - tough people do". Memo to Deano. You said we need 2 to 3 more players in this emergency loan period and you want players up for a relegation fight. Well, do it. We need tough people in or the tough times will last.

oh dear

Finally, Tim gets angry, and I like it! More like this in the coming weeks, please.

swansea might suit o'hara but I doubt o'hara would suit swansea.....

You`re all welcome down at the Bank`s stadium -you can even take up our offer of any early bird offer and support the Super Saddlers in the Championship.

Even the Beers local!

When I worked for a well known men's and boys outfitters our motto when sales were difficult was: "When the going gets tough, the tough get going" The 'true' Wolves supporter is that tough nothing will stop him supporting his team. I'm still here supporting my team since 1954 through very good times and very bad.

So come on you Wolves get behind them again at Notts Forest.

Myself,my son & my two grandchildren have already renewed our season tickets.I can assure you

neither of us as bully tattood on our bum or anywhere else.Get behind the club stop whinging

& send out some positive vibes.Moxey does what he is paid for & that is to keep the club on a

sound financial footing.I believe Steve Morgan is an honest guy who wants the best for the club.

Yes mistakes have been made but I believe the club know that & are trying to rectify it.All clubs

at some time or another have problems but we can come through it if we stick together.

Be more positive Tim.Up the Wolves.

Face facts me old pal. Were being ripped off by the club. This has gone on for too long.

Morgan out

Moxey out

Saunders out.

Agree entirely with this piece! I would also add that there is simply no incentive for season ticket holders, like myself, to renew this year during the early bird period as for the past 2 years the various 'offers' and 'ticket promotions' such as half season tickets, six matches, 4 for £40, extra ticket for £5 mean that the season ticket holder is frankly out of pocket in comparison with taking up the offers. There is NO reward for loyalty at all. The only possible reason one could think of for renewing is to 'keep your seat' - well, let's face it, at this rate you'll be able to pick any seat in the ground. I still intend on watching Wolves but I'm not prepared to shell out the lump sum now for other promotions to later in the season!

my family will have no season ticket anymore we had 8 but with morgan/moxey there we have had it, they have just abused us fans for long enough and this is the only thing they will understand. i

have been coming here since 1956/57 season so have seen it all yes we will still come when we

want to and if thing change for the better we will see but money/money you know them as morgan

moxey have taken the p--- for long enough.

RENEWED. Loyalty above the call. If it's in your blood as Tim points out, then it's nigh on impossible to give up! Now is the time to stand up and be counted, and we'll see who the REAL fans are next year!

we will lose against forest and we will be back to square one,this team is too set to change,too many non performers and anyone decent will leave in the summer.i cant believe that its got so bad we are exstatic because we won a solitary game in a second string league giving hopes of survival,i cant believe that morgans rant trying to save his face before the tv camaras at milwall was taken in by the desperate fans.for goodness sake wake up and smell the coffee,its pathetic.yet still people will be buying season tickets to suffer the boredom dished up by the innadequate playing staff and and the ever greedier owner,all in the name of being a supporter .i am finding it hard to continually put all these things to oneside on the basis of just blindly following the wolves.wolverhampton wanderers players and management have absolutely no interest in us we are just the mugs paying out for them.

When 'trust' is breached

Faith besmirched

Marketing techniques

The creed of besuited geeks

Greased back hair

Jez is there

Regurgitating

Same old, same old

As if economic privilege

Owns the black and gold

Whereas

It lies in the soul

The hearts and minds

Of the yam yam kind

And those similarly entwined

Early bird numbers are bound to be at a minimum. West Midlands football is at an all time low and so are the dwindling crowds - even the Steptoes cannot sell out! If we go down, I guess that home crowds will be down to 15000 but we will take 3000+ everywhere! However, with our much needed win against a team in a worse run of form than ourselves, I can see us doing enough?

In terms of the figures banded around last week about turnover, wages and debts .... I don't buy into it. We have money in the bank from the Summer sales, unspent money from the January window 2012 and we will probably offload Sako at a handsome £5m profit!

Agree with all that. Renewed last week despite the actual misery that it has caused, spoiling whole weekends for the last two years. Improvement on the pitch will help but I still maintain that I and many other diehards will not be truly happy until we get a change of CEO...regardless of the division we are in.

I'm on the daft video, sitting in the south bank, no one asked my permission so Mr Moxey you should give me a ticket to pay for my image rights, you talentless bunch of leaders make me cringe, leadership is a behaivour not a position, I ask you to change your behaivour Mr Moxey and Mr Morgan, the fans have lost trust in you, do something about it!!!

For goodness sake,howq long can it be before SM cottons on to the fact that Moxey should be got rid of and replaced by a financially aware Director of Football, a person who can connect with the fans and gain their respect,something that Moxey is incapable of.

The malign influence of this man has and still is undermining the club and all it stands for as he continues to supported by Morgan..

I think the situation with Moxey has gone too far now and the club will never truly succeed as long as he remains .Mr Morgan please save the club and your investment by making a truly bold and long overdue decision

Makes sense to wait until the summer,they have fed us false promises so many times.One day they will learn to have a successful football club you have to conncentrate 100% on building a decent football team.Day in, day out that should have been the goal when opportunity presented itself in the shape of over one hundred million pounds of money from Sky.The core business first,the core business second and the core business third.Moxey highlighted their false thinking when on Radio WM he referred to the first team as the football side of the business. They need to get back to basics.And I told them so many times two years ago,and so did others,despite Steve Morgan's claim no one complained about the new stand when it was first announced. Nevertheless,I have supported the club for 50years and I am hoping for 3 points tomorrow like everyone else.

Well I did mine. Not an easy decision because it doesn't mean I give one iota of approval to the incompetent idiots in charge of our club. I hate the daft video, the only tough people about at the minute are us. Still no sign of any more loanees and if the contracts are too much and we have too many players, well who looks after the cash? I still didn't really get the idea at the parliament that there is a plan and they deperately need a PR person.

There are lots of things wrong with the club, getting tickets for one. Hang on the phone at 10p a minute and pay a booking fee for every ticket. That adds up to the price of a ticket over a season. Do I want to have the hassle of getting a ticket every week, no. Am I likely to want to go every match, probably, so that's one of my reasons for early birding. I do however have to question my sanity.

I guess all we can do now as fans is to support the team and try to avoid the drop and have faith that if we survive things will get better.

The only way to hit em is don't renew, the appointment of Saunders and not spending any money in Jan, tells you their level of ambition.

And before some sycophant pipes up and says we don't want to become the next QPR or Pompey, no one is asking for that level of spending.

But Moxey will tell you we're on course to make a £6.5M loss this season, more spin on the balance sheet.

Renewed today. But ill be very angry if they get same deal in the summer. 350 quid is alot to pull out so close after xmas. Im on minimum wage not 20,000 a week.

I partly agree with with the sentiment of this latest blog from Tim.

Certainly the second half of last season and the first half of this season would have tested the patience of Job. There were times when I ought to have been put on suicide watch. However, there are signs of improvement. Leaving aside the one win at Millwall this week, the last few games have become more entertaining - even some of the ones we've lost.

I'm not quite sure what catagory I slot into. Certainly not a fanatic with with a Bully tattoo on my rump, who would follow the Wolves even if they were to descend into the Evo-Stik league.

The criticism in Tim's article regarding the publicity about the Early Bird is overdone. What do you expect the club to do? Nobody has to watch the video, or read the blurb in the emails or newspapers.

And so yes I've renewed my season ticket.

Renewed ours on Thursday and Friday (before the match). Tim a bit more upbeat please 'dire' etc etc etc. The futures bright the futures 'GOLD'!!!

Good to see you have woke up Tim. The true fans saw the mess a few years ago, but sadly some was labeled as numpties. I do hope we have got over this name calling.. belittle someone just because they care to make you sound better. It is not the way. The full truth will come out some day why we ended up in such a mess.

just look at there excited faces!!

they could do with lowering the prices and getting molinuex packed to the rafters next season,,get some atmosphere back in the place. I ts been along time since iv come out of any football match and thought ye,,that was good value for money,,normally come out feeling like uv been ripped off, and lets face it,,its the crowd that make it a good day out the footballs just an excuse to be there.If they sent 11 unknown players out in gold and black the fans would cheer and shout and make molinuex what it is, i think they are forgetting this at wolves,we are now just customers.

If wolves insist on selling early birds this year why don't thay sell half season ticket up to January ?

Then let u buy the rest or leave

What is the refund if we do go down . A pie & a pint ?

I hate that video its embarrassing and a waste of money. Watching it made me consider not renewing.

I have renewed as its in my blood and I dont fancy doing anything else on Sat afternoon

I am one of those die-harders you refer to, I have had a season ticket for 45 years, but it is under serious threat. The issue for me is whether I can still justify contributing any more of my money to the lavish, privileged, flash-car and house lifestyles of the players who have served us up such appalling tripe for so long. I earn 15K a YEAR. Why should I give any more to people who pick that up every week? My main option is to set the money aside for away matches, so my money goes to those clubs instead. Sad days.

I've renewed but I am getting a bit sick of the scheme now. Why should I be expected to pay for next years season ticket in February when everyone is skint when the season doesn't even start until August. It's a joke and one that has left me in some serious debt this month. They are just forcing money our your pocket and into theirs early and also making us gamble without realizing it too.

Question is why isn't this the price anyway?

Personally as a continuous season ticket holder I'd rather they introduced an ongoing Direct debit scheme instead. So rather than paying £375 now I'd just pay £31-32 a month. They still get there money and my support. I'm not hit in the pocket at the worst time of the year. People will be less likely to cancel it if it just a constant amount each month that they can forget about.

I have been a Wolves fan since i was FIVE ,i am now SEVENTY .I have just renewed my ticket again. What gets me is the moaning and all negative vibes by so called fans,just shut up and renew your tickets ,if not find another club ,the true fans don"t need you. It would serve you right if Mr Morgan deceided to move the club away from here a la wimbledon .UP THE WOLVES.

Although i don't usually agree with you Tim this time for once i AGREE ! With all you have said don't pass out !, the clubs pr department is a complete joke, who came up with these 'slogans' and offers ought to be sacked, the clubs heirachy have , like you said completely lost touch with us , and regrettably i don't think they will ever get us back , except the sheep and happy clappers ! You know who you are ! , i for one will never ever believe a word that comes out of Morgan's,moxeys mouths , they have sold us down the river time and time again and made our great club the laughing stock of the midlands , their 'hidden agenda' has been aired a little , hence the quickly organised pr appearance of Morgan at that waist of time fans parliament, the club is run by businessmen who in truth couldn't care less about wwfc as long as they make £ out of it ,they say only things that we want to hear , and some people fall for it , well wake up before its too late , good luck to the lads on Saturday !

Once again Tim great blog! i an 2 friends are one of those people you were speaking about, i had my first season ticket at 18 in 1990 and have had one ever since, but not this time. Mr Morgan has now got to put some of this mistakes right in the summer before i will consider spending any more money on wwfc.

Every other saturday has been about getting together with the lads, will miss that if i don't go anymore, or i may find other interests that i enjoy more. Only time will tell, Mr M it's over to you!

Spot on Tim, totally agree. Typical of management, weren't at all bothered before early bird renewal time, now grovelling for all they are worth to get our hard earned cash. Pathetic and smells of sheer desperation. Like you Tim, I will renew my season ticket but not because of anything Moxey, Morgan or even Saunders do or say.

Biggest grip for me, apart from the team, is taking two kids to sit in the Steve Bull and have four numpties sat behind me swearing the whole game, making "funny" comments that are no way funny. Booing players before the game has kicked off as the team is read out... its bad enough what we are dished up but then to have to sit by brain dead morons increases the angst.

Don't like your cheap shot at the North Bank Tim !

Otherwise good post. Moxey has single handledly in my opinion been responsible for broken links with fans and Morgan is clearly happy for that deterioration to continue. I fall into that second bracket who yes will go more often when things are doing well but otherwise 10 times a season. I used to have ST after ST but I have a family to look after and can no longer afford time or money on ST's especially when our cheapest in the premiership (for an adult and child) combined cost about £130 more than the cheapest at any other club in the midlands. Even if I buy a ST by d/d Wolves charge £40 - most expensive charge in the UK, and on top of that booking fees!

But despite all of this, if the well-intended Steve Morgan could just get a new communications and strategy manager, and a DoF, then bridges can be built. MOXEY OUT.

Wolves forever whatever!

You're absolutely right to worry about losing the "routine" supporters. It was an habit with me for over 25 years. Didn't even think about buying a season ticket. I felt almost obligated and it was my duty.

Following the last two seasons I took the massive decision and made my own quiet, but personal, protest by not renewing. The decision was based around exactly that. It was a protest. At that time I was even prepared to pay more because the thought of no going never entered my mind.

Then became an even bigger protest...I'll choose my games...so so sad.

I haven't been now for the last six games. Not even feeling guilty.

So I guess I don't support the club any more...Not financially anyway.

All I hope is that my love affair with wolves doesn't get finally severed.

The emotinal blackmail routine certainly doesn't work. There's only one answer!!!

Too little too late i'm afraid. I personally know 17 fans who will not renew because of what has happened at this club. They have only themselves to blame. You can hit a dog too many times before he retaliates and it is happening now despite the win the other night. Okay we have to start somewhere and it will be a tough match at Forest, Will we get a result? I'd like to think so but my head says no, possibly a win. If they do win then it will have a great affect on us paying fans.

Why renew a ST when there will be plenty of room to sit?

The news that O'Hara may be moved in the summer is not good news as it shows yet again no commitment as he is a quality player but that is based on the info from the E&S!

Lets face facts we have been dumped on for too long now and it needs total committment on the field and results not only to move up the table but bring back the excitement.

Best of luck tomorrow.

UTW

I have been a season ticket holder for 30 years but have been going to the molineux for 42 years from the age of 6 . However , I moved from the midlands to great yarmouth last year and have still made the 7 hour round trip to all home games . I no longer have the desire to keep this level of support to be served up this dross week in week out . Football supposed to be in the entertainment industry, but watching the football we have been watching is like having your teeth pulled .

Early Bird your having a leaf , Early Bird your having a leaf .

Thats every body out then ! who will switch the lights off ?

For over 30 consecutive seasons I have unconditionally renewed my season ticket....NOT THIS TIME. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Tim has already set out many of my reasons in his blog above.

What hope is there, really?

Having so spectacularily messed up the best situation this club has been in for decades, I have absolutely zero faith in this regime to ever get it right.

I have been taken for granted by the club for too long and the local non-league scene will now benefit from my cash.

After the Millwall win, and with us trying to get some positive momentum flowing, we should all stop canning the club policies and players/staff in any respect until end of the season. Then ...go for your life.

Its a bit more important for now that we do everything we can to be positve (I know its been almost impossible recently) and NOT get relegated. That is ALL that matters right now.

I write as one who has dipped in and out of going to games. No, it's not the football; it's not the management of the club; it's not the players' salaries. It's the awful tribalism and offensive chanting of fans who abuse other people, players and opposing supporters, at will. Behaviour like that would get you arrested anywhere else apart from a football ground.

Go to a rugby game - see how the crowds are respectful towards each other yet still support their team. No threats of violence, no segregation and no offensive chanting.

That's why I don't go.

Tim asks who's behind the crass advertising and ticketing policy. Well, Matt Grayson's the PR man and Lynne O'Reardon's in charge of ticketing. You could address your angry concerns to them. But the bloke who's really responsible, who sanctions/veto's everything, is Jez Moxey. I'm a similar type fan as you Tim and I've already sent in my application. Good stuff your blog - keep angry!

I notice Saunders has stated that any striker coming in has to be better than Sylvan. Although this is logical thinking, to state this so crudely could undermine a resurgent SEB. Here's the thing Dean (if you check out these Blogs) why not just shut up a while and let the players do the talking with their boots on the field? Too much foot in mouth stuff coming from your direction!

I agree about the slogan and the video is pants too.

Its patronising to think this cheap PR stunt will play on our emotions to renew when everything about the place has been a shambles for 18 months.

Renewing........ nope. 17 years but as the dragons woukd say, im out! I will pay to watch the games i want next year. If the club sorts itself out at the top i will buy a season ticket again but this year in paricular i need all the funds i can get for my wedding. Hard decision made easier by the club.

430 mile round trip,£82 for petrol ,plus food,parking ,programme,wear and tear on me and the car and you expect me to renew my season ticket to watch this rubbish!!! I`ve just renewed.Once a Wolves fan always a Wolves fan. Therapy required!

"Die hards", "obsessives", "sense of duty", "in my blood"; go on, show us your Bully backside tat.

"How dare they play on our emotions?" No more E & S sensationalist, stirring-things-up headlines then?

Most people decide for themselves about renewing, despite the cringeworthy campaign and recent history of poor management decisions. I have already done so (yes, bare bottomed cheek). This is despite the football not being that enjoyable from August 2007; even the promotion season had long fraught spells. If only I had an analyst.

Like you, I continue to follow and support the Wolves.

Message To My Kids.

About to turn 60 and aving just read the above while eating my lunch, I have suddenly realised I don’t qualify as a die- hard Wolves fan anymore ;

‘’For some people, the die-hards, this decision (getting an early bird season ticket)is a no brainer - supporting Wolves is their life and their whole week revolves around match day, home and away.

You know the type - they have got a tattoo of Bully on their backside, they got married in their replica Wolves shirt and their son is called Sylvan. You also know what stand they sit in’’

To regain my hard-core status, I clearly need to move Stands and get that Bully Tattoo on by backside! By the way Son, Steve Bull came along three years after you were born, so that’s a pure coincidence and the Vicar at Tettenhall Church (4 years before you were born I hasten to add) refused to let me wear a replica top and I don’t think Mom would have let me anyway!

Sylvan has got a certain ring to it though………….and I wager there would not be too many Sylvans working for BP. Sarah you were almost a Rachel Heyhoe, but Mr Davis got there first.

Agree with a lot of Tim's comments, and if I was local would probably renew, but travelling 220 miles round trip to watch what I've seen for the last 2 years is making me seriously think about not renewing, especially because I can't get to Mid week/ Friday matches due to work. It would cost me roughly the same per game to buy on the day for any games I attend.

i. am a disabled wolves fan and come up wolves as much as i can.i am not going to get better but every yr i have to get a medical letter off my doctorto say im disabled this costs me 15 pound a yr before i even send off for my early bird.im trying to change seats this season to the top of the new standso i can watch all of the match im in the billy wright atm but when the ball is up the north bank end it hurts to see properly because i cant twist my neck around far enough.i mentioned this to the staff up wolves and they said i have to apply for my early bird and put a letter in with it to explain my situation. im always having to explain myself i travel up from devon to watch this team dont you think that proves im a loyal fan

I have renewed.

Trouble is I can't give it up even though a part of me would like too

But the good times will be sweeter having lived through the bad times

I hope.

Despite everything I have renewed my season ticket. To be honest I think there are far more important things to worry about,as far as WWFC is concerned,than some cheap PR stunt.

Spot on Blog Tim. Have been a follower for 55 years and a season ticket holder for the past 20 including expensive spellls in the original Sir Jacks. So Im almost a die hard .. It's very very unlikely I will renew because I am simply unhappy at the way the club is being run. I see no change for the 2013/14 season and have no confidence in Morgan or Moxey.

If all the people who spend their energy on knocking the board,club and players put that energy in supporting the team we would not be in the plight we are in.....M and M are guilty of one thing only.....not acting quick enought to move out McCarthy and appoint a top flight mananger.....So that is their crime...one mistake ...........get a grip all you moaners and get in th real world.......Wolve is formost a business and that is how it is run.....if you want some idiot to poor millions down the drain then go and support Chelsea or Man City.......Wolves is in safe hands with a passionate owner who will not waist millions his own money ( and why should he ) .....and what ever happnes this season there will still be a club,with an owner with a loyal band of supoting fans even if that is 2000 or 20,000 every other week.......maybe we dont need all the doom and gloom merchants anyway.....no doubt the very same people who turn up to work every monday berating their boss and telling eveyone ''they could do a better job ''...........while they push the mop around......!!!!

We all know who you are..............Full of ****

Very good blog cynical management who treat Wolves fans with contempt.

All this talk of renewing under the early bird scheme makes me laugh, the truth is that season ticket holders are not the people that Morgan and Moxey want to attract next season. The number of season ticket holders will show a marked decline this time round and that means that the casual "pay on the day" fans hold the key. That is why all of the special offers are directed to benefit them, without these people turning up we will have an average attendance of around 16,000 to 18,000 if we are lucky and this will of course be lower if we go down. So the onus is on the club to woo and charm the casual fan back to the club, after all those that do not renew their season ticket will be swelling the ranks of the casual fans and will help make it the key market for the club to target next season. If they fail to do so then the club is in serious financial trouble unless the wage bill is slashed or we have a storming season.

So look forward to more charm offensives aimed at none season ticket holders and the stark reality that your "loyalty" will not be valued as much as you would have hoped.

GIVE DEANO A CHANCE LONG TURN IT WILL WORK OUT

any sport that has a regular following will see, highs and lows in attendances due to sporting prospects/economic situation/affordability/. if you can afford to renew then do so, but if you cannot then why put yourself under financial/emotional strain?

i would love to have a season ticket every season,but cannot afford one , but i still regard the wolves as my team.

mr morgan give the club back to the fans.

utw.

All i can see is that they (JM and JM) DO NOT DESERVE US.... and we certainly do not DESERVE THEM

fed up with it so,,,,,,,, no I'm not buying one Sorry but enough is enough, holiday and the odd game.

I was waiting for this. The 'real' fans renew early etc. The 'real' fans don't blindly hand over money to a regime that mismanages it so badly. A regime that has made us a laughing stock with managerial non appoinments. A regime that has seen us slide down the divisions with no attempt to halt it. A regime that invests in infrastructure whilst the team flounders. Oh no, no I'm sorry the REAL fand DO hand over their hard earned cash to the begging emails, letters and phone calls. Do you also put it in those envelopes that drop through your door asking you to donate to this that and the other - or do you bin them? Because believe me they will put it to far better use.

The only way to get this regime to change is not to give your money - show the discontent. If you renew early what you are doing is condoning this crap. You are saying 'Carry on. It's ok. I'll stick with you here have some money'. That way my friends spells disaster. But carry on it's your money spend it as you wish that's your prerogative and hasten the demise of our club - and pay for the privilege.

I was going to buy a Wolves home shirt as per usual but this season's design didn't bode at all well for me. In fact I commented to the lady in the clubshop that it was one of the worst shirts I had seen us wear in quite a while. It reminded me of Old Gold Parquet, kitchen wood tiling...Thing is I seem to have had this notion that we would get walked all over this season...Yes I realise the pun but the shirt didn't fill me with the same buzz I usually get.