Jez Moxey: Wolves fans are ‘fickle’
Wednesday 23rd November 2011, 11:00AM GMT.
Chief executive Jez Moxey was today at the centre of a row over calling Wolves fans “fickle”.
An anonymous email sent to a Wolves supporters’ blog site revealed Moxey said: “Newsflash: You are fickle” during the fans’ parliament meeting last week.
The sender is a member of the fans’ parliament who attended the meeting. Moxey was answering a point made by a member of the parliament who said it was wrong for players to call the fans fickle following the sarcastic cheering at Karl Henry’s substitution against Newcastle.
In minutes of the meeting since released by the club, Moxey admitted using the term ‘fickle’, but in context: “Come on, guys, newsflash! Some fans – and I stress ‘some’ – are fickle!”
He added: “If someone from the club says something you don’t like in response to a negative reaction from the crowd, don’t hold it against them.
“Perhaps everyone needs to develop slightly thicker skins.”
The anonymous sender also claimed Moxey said: “Stoke fans are better than Wolves fans”, and said “If Moxey had his way he would not continue with ground redevelopment”.
But Moxey told the Express & Star: “A person who goes to Stoke games came to our match against Swansea and commented to me that he couldn’t believe the negativity. But I would never say Stoke fans are better than Wolves fans.”
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I don’t think he’s said anything untoward.
He’s right to not want to develop the ground further. Absolute waste of money except if you happen to be a property developer with the rights to the catering and leisure rights…
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he’s right …. we are a fickle bunch …you’re not my Fav’ person in the work Jez but you’re quite right!
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That’s what i like about Moxey – tells it how he sees it. Oh, and he’s not involved with my club :D
That said – and from what I’ve read for months and months on here – he’s right.
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So why did it take them to knocking down one of the stands before realising what a lot of the so called ignorant fans have been saying all along?? Is this a guy who knows what he is doing?!
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Story about nothing. You’ve only got to read the posts here every day to know how fickle some fans are. He’s said nothing wrong but has been reported out of context and will now be slated for it. Guilty of speaking his mind, that’s all. Move on to Chelsea and more important matters ie whether we can put on a performance worthy of the name ‘Wolves’ to show we deserve to be in this division.
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And you wonder why most of us Wolves fans dont like or stand you do us all a favour and go back to Stoke
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Although I don’t always agree with what Mr. Moxey says his comments on this occasion are right. Some stress the word SOME fans are fickle and they are. Whether Mr. Moxey should have commented at all is another matter but he’s entitled to an opinion like a good many others.
When we played Newcastle I walked back with some of their fans and they could not believe how negative some Wolves fans are and the same comments were made by Swansea fans.
I have said before all Wolves fans are being tarred with the same brush and I would like to stress that these fans are in a minority not the majority.
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I think Jez is spot on. the minority that do get on the team and managers backs are fickle have a short term memory. We DO NOT have a god given right to be in this league! It can take years to establish a team in this division. Ironically Stoke is a prime example and bar the atrocious one dimensional football they play have gradually took a foothold in the league and are having a ball in Europe. get a grip you thick fickle idiots because if you get what you wish for we will have bought a one way ticket to the championship. Is that what you really want??
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Here we go, yet more ammunition for the idiots to use against Wolves. They will read the headline and assume its exactly what he said, just like the mccarthy Idiot comments not to long back, Wheras in actual fact, he is 100% correct. Every club has fickle fans, aswell as brillinat fans, as well as hooligans etc.
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If the fans don’t voice their opinions the board would quite happily accept mediocrity and even relegation as long as they’re getting their fat cheques, paid for by the same cash-strappeed fans.
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I don’t see how this is news worthy. Moxey is just saying what everyone already knows: Wolves fans have always been fickle. We lose we are relegated, we win all is ok, there is no middle ground. Most fans fail to realise that we are a lower half of the league team and will be a good few years before anything changes.
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wolves fans are fickle… it’s getting embarrassing to see the amount of unrest on here
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Don’t normally agree with jez moxley on a lot things but i’m with jez on this one,wolves fans are fickle.Well said jez!
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He’s right of course he is, we all know this..
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Nope cant see anything wrong with what he said. When your team plays well its shouts and cheers. When your team plays below the level you think they should be at, your not happy.
BIG question is what is he goiong to do about it?
I went to the Everton game and everybody I spoke to (even the Everton lads on the train home)said what a poor game it was. So where did McCarthy get the word BRILLIANT from when describing the way it was played. Even Dave Moyes did’nt go that far and they won, infact he asked for more investment in players!
So when there is such a HUGE gap in what McCarty sees on the pitch and we do, is there any surprise people arn’t happy?
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I think Moxey is spot-on. The way some fans react to results both at the match and online afterwards is pathetic.
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Before jumping to conclusions like the wolves blog did,read the “whole” story on the Wolves Web,and let’s be honest he is right.
And he was responding to a question, that he answered honestly.
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Wolves fans ARENT fickle, it ALL FOOTBALL fans!
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Bang on Jez dam right BUT not all of us;)
i would upgrade the southbank same as the northbank but hang fire on the Steve Bull dont think that will be required for many years to come
UP THE WOLVES!!!!
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Well said Jez!
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WHAT ON EARTH IS GOING ON??? Jez is quite right, some fans are fickle, I completely agree. like him or not he is simply saying it as it is, and I would much rather that than have some wishy washy answer that means nothing.
Please Please Please stop all the negativity. We have all come a long way over the past few years, bearing in mind the waste we experienced under previous managers, and the utter drivel under Hoddle.
For god sake, everyone be positive for a change and get behind the club. we will go no where without support, not negativity. I’m a lifleong Wolves fan, and a season ticket holder for over 20 years, these are the best times we’ve had in all those years and yet we’re still moaning (and then people think some fans are’nt fickle??)
Come on….for Wolves Sake…BE POSITIVE FOR A CHANGE
UTW
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Nothing wrong at all with what Moxey has said. Nothing else to report so make a drama out of this. I think we will get something from Chelsea by the way.
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I agree 100% with him and he isn’t wrong. There is simply no middle ground with some of the fans, and the sooner some realised that we do not have a god given right to be in and stay in the Premier League the sooner we may all be singing from the same sheet.
Get over it and stop trying to make this into something that it should never be.
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Wolves fans are no more or less fickle than any other football fans. A lot of you seem more than happy for our CEO to criticise a proportion of our fans, I’m not. Regardless of what he thinks privately, he should, like his own words to Arsene Wenger “keep his mouth shut”
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Why does Moxley keep getting involved in self generated headlines?
The Greed League has 20 CEO’s/Managing directors.
Can you name the other 19? Apart from a couple of clowns, they do their job without making dubious public statements and patronising loyal fans.
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I don’t see the problem! …I’m a wolves fan and a majority of Wolves fans ARE fickle. If the fickle fans actually got behind the club instead of moaning and directing nagativity towards the players and management, maybe the team would perform better on the pitch knowing that people were behind them. …And the nonsense some come out with when they say ‘it’s my Club’ is laughable – Other than maybe buying a season ticket and some merchandise, you do nothing for the club if you are not behind the team 100%!
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Eh Moxey, you are right, we are fickle but we are clearly not tight with the prices you are charging us, unlike yourself.
Jog on back to Stoke.
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@6 stoke would not have him back look how they flourished when he left, after he was bottle necking them as with us, he needs to drop a couple of divisions.
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All fans can be fickle, not just Wolves fans.
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A lot of fuss about nothing. Is the E & S trying to keep the the pot boiling here for a cheap headline I wonder? All clubs have their fickle element.
I am more concerned about comments attributed to Berra in which he is supposed to have said that we have a chance at Chelsea if we put in a similar performance to the one at Everton.
Heaven help us in that case !!
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Moxey is a prize clown ..However he is spot on with this remark (although he would have been wiser to keep it amongst friends) We have some of the most fickle fans in football myself included in that statement !!
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It is about time this board left WWFC
They show a complete lack of ambition, we are a team who beat the drop by one point last season and have only added one player (who has under achieved)in close season.
I agree it is good to run the club solvent but you need to take a gamble in order to improve year on year, perhaps £40-£50 million on the basis of staying up and receiving our TV monies.
By the time the transfer windows re opens we will already be in the bottom three (looking at the fixture list) and will NOT be able to attract any player that will improve the current squad.
Why re develop the ground now, wait until we are established premier club finishing mid table and improving then we can sell out a bigger stadium.
I now fear the worse for the club with Moxey making comments like this
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Don’t all clubs have fickle fans???. Man U fans were booing when they lost to City. The Stoke fans have been booing of late . It is a results based industry and if you don’t perform you get booed. We pay alot of money sometimes to watch dross. I would agree Moxey having ago if people were running on the pitch or throwing seats.
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Oh dear, its just all a bit of a shambles at the momment. Playing terrible football losing pretty much all the time. all fighting each other, staring relegation in the face and looking at us with envious eyes (again). It feels like Christmas , hold on a min it nearly is.
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We are fickle and always have been. We were averaging under 4,000 fans in the 80′s when other local teams retained the fanbase
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Bit of a nonsense article this one, maybe it was done to fans the flames of unrest, luckily anyone with a brain can see its nothing to worry about.. Does not change the fact that Wolves are useless at the moment and something needs to be done to change this around.. I have said it before and I will say it again, get Rafa Benitez in to take us to the next level.. I am sure he can make us a quality top 10 team, instead of a 17th place will do me team.
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TRUTH what a happy clapping idiot you are i can remember stoke fans dancing in the streets when moxey was sacked,and we will be dancing in the streets when he and thicko are sacked from here.
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yep we football are all fickle, it doesn’t bother me too much I think what Moxey said about blaming pubs for the reasons of low gates was worse. What this might do cause some problems with Morgan with stadium redevelopment, if it is true what the source of this article claims that Moxey would not bother with the rest of the stadium.
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Also there has been much worser things than what Wolves have done, i.e. Everton fans throwing bottles at Liverpool players, Arsenal fans vile chants towards Adebayor and Blackburn fans have been more vocal for thier manager to get sacked. Of course doesn’t mean what has happened with Wolves right its passion for our club boiling over plus frustration.
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Fickle, fickle. Funny word when you keep saying it, isn`t it. Fickle fickle fickle. Try saying it fast twenty times. Bloody difficult!
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Other clubs retained their fanbase in the 1980′s when we had 4000? Wrong, look again. Albion got 6100 in what was then the prem for one league game. Stoke were getting as low as 5000 in div 2.
Listen, i accept we have an expectant crowd, after all it was Wolves Steve Morgan and Sir Jez who said we would not face a 3rd season of struggle! Talk about “shooting ourselves in the foot”. Oh and if Stoke continue on their current run, they will turn too, as do all fans. We may just have a relatively short fuse at Wolves but our history over the last 30 years pehpas partly explains why.
Sort out ticket pricing so there are no rip-offs, and you will get a healthier crowd, look at WBA 26000 v Bolton £15 entrance. Not really the pubs is it therefore Jez?
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Jez, Wolves are 17tg, away at Chelsea next. I’d worry about that if I were you!
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I would say every teams supporters are fickle!
Id even go as far to say we have been very patient with MM, the problem is Mr Moxey is that we cannot stand to watch the same thing happen season after season after season with no real progress!
Id argue that the football has got worse year after year in the prem, the majority of fans like me who go home & away are just sick to the back teeth of MM’s attitude, tactics (or lack of) and the complete dross that we get served up week after week! it is meant to be entertainment we part with our money for yet every game is set out to not lose! not WIN!
MM is not upto this level of management! look at the facts, his record is appaling and its not going to get any better!
We have a squad of championship players (75%)
I cannot believe you think you will sell out a bigger ground that what we had with this type of play on pitch!
Fickle maybe….. but also NoT STUPID
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Wolves have a fans parliament that supporters get the opportunity to put questions and get ‘real’ responses not pre prepared press releases.
The press are not allowed to attend the fans parliament and the E&S think its wrong that they are being excluded but judging from the slant that goes on every headline they are always on the look out to mischief make…..
The fans parliament is a direct line for fans to the Directors, how many of the moaners have bothered to send an email to the fans representatives?
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I’m fickle!!! Well done mucksey how many games did we loose on the trot, you may have enjoyed it but I didn’t.
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I read the headline and thought: “Bet the E&S have attached a thread to this” – and they have. Talk about stirring things up! He’s right, by the way.
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I’m not fickle I just have ambition and pride in my club. I’ve been going for thirty years, I live in London and make the regular trip to Molineux spending good money and missing out on good money I could be earning whilst also annoying my wife who is not a football fan or Wolverhampton person and cannot understand why I do it.
I’ve seen immense disgrace on the pitch at Molineux in those years but enjoyed them all, the world of football changes though and tragically I find the running of the club (Moxey and Morgan) and the manager detached from reality and insulting to the fans who will always be here when they’ve long moved on. I’m finding the whole situation embarrassing and depressing these days and feel that those running the club need to accept why there is now such negativity in the stands at present; it’s not the fans causing it but the diabolical management of the team. When this occurs in my business I do not blame my “customers” I blame myself and my staff and deal with it.
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Does it make us fickle if we make comments about the way the club is going because of our inept manager and his assistant?
I think not the supporters want a team that has some purpose and makes us proud of them when they play.Mr MORGAN please get a grip you wouldn’t stand for this situation if the new stand was not being built to your specification!!!! So do something about our team.
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Moxey’s point has been proved over and over again on this comments page.
I find it laughable, if pathetic, that fans raise a huge furore about such a mild and wholly accurate comment when many are so outrageously abusive about those who have nothing but the best interests of the Club at heart.
Stick at it, the three Ms !
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I’m just sick of everything coming out of the club at the momement, the board, Mick and the players. Instead of being honest and upfront with the fans, they feed us all this spin week in week out.
Moxey should realise that with match attendencies falling, he should try and get the fans back on-side. All I ask for is an honest reaction from the club. I am feed up of Mick praising performances like the Everton game, and its about time SM came out and address the fans.
What also annoys me on here is that if you crticise the club you get call an idiot or a mindless numpty. When will the happy clappers wake up and smell the coffee?
We are a top club, lets start acting like one with ambition and PRIDE!!
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Context is across the board and everything goes. Fickle a indecisive vacillating leader incapable of a sustained course of action. Leave Karl Henry alone M moxey and try looking at yourself in the mirror.
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He’s right, I am fickle.
Having supported Wolves for more than 40 years I have bloody well earned the right to be fickle……….
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Wolves fans are fickle………So are ALL football fans. You only have to listen to 606 or any other phone in. We’re all a bunch of amateurs who think we can do a better job than the professionals. Fickle and deluded……….all of us!
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Like all West Midlands fans, Wolves fans are fickle but let’s talk about Mr Moxey:-
1) The fans have been shortchanged with a big lack of signings. 5/6 new faces were required and of our squad half-a-dozen are injury prone.
2) Charging £1.50 per ticket transaction is a disgrace.
3) The handling of the North Stand season ticket holders has been farcical. I know no one near me.
4) Refreshments in the ground are a joke.
5) Watching from local bars is perfectly acceptable, when unemployment is high in the area and ticket prices are too much.
As a result of the above, I have paid half towards my season ticket and will not pay a penny more. Instead I will watch the game from one of the pubs and go to the more reasonably priced away games. This is from someone who went to every league game last season. Poor value for money!
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MACTHEWOLF
Calm down and try and enjoy the games.
Moxey is not to blame- i agree with you that Moxey + McCartney are doing Morgams bidding, and it is he who has to decide.BUT will this help the performances-i think not.
Only a change in style with the same players will change our veiwpoint, else we have the same dross to watch until then, whatever division.
Looking forward to the weekend-NOT
TAXI for Morgam
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every club has fickle fans but what you’ve got to remenber is we have every right as we pay and choose to watch the wolves,” we was brilliant on saturday ” was the words of MM , please tell me at what minute of the 95 minutes we was good never mind brilliant , lets face it MM isn’t getting sacked but we aren’t going to progress anywhere up the table either, we will be playing in front of a 3/4 full stadium which the board see no problem with as its still making money which we aren’t seeing, we haven’t seen a penny of the 30 million that morgan was suppose to be investing in ” the wolves ” all we have seen is what the club via ” the fickle fans ” and sky revenue have brought in , like collymore said on monday night we will all be in and around the relegation zone under MM, if you are happy with this then obviously you are more of a fool than the so called ” fickle fans ” who only want to see the club move forward and get higher up the table and maybe just maybe have a long overdue cup run
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FAO THE CULLIS DOME POST 49 :
ARE YOU FOR REAL ? YOU ENDED WITH ‘STICK AT IT THE 3 M’S ?’ STICK TO WHAT ?
RUINING OUR CLUB ?
BUILDING STANDS THAT WILL BE HALF EMPTY ?
SELLING THE SUPPORTERS SHORT ?
OVERPRICING TICKETS AND HOTLINES ?
TACTICS THAT ARE LAUGHABLE ?
TEAM FORMATIONS THE PLAYERS HAVE NOT CLUE ABOUT ?
A TRANSFER BUDGET THAT IS THE SIZE OF A BUDGIES BOXER SHORTS ? (AND FOR THE RECORD I KNOW THEY DONT WEAR BOVER SHORTS SUE !)
PROMISING ONE THING AND DELIVERING ANOTHER ?
HALF HEARTED PR WHEN REALLY THEY COULDNT GIVE A HOOT ABOUT THE FANS
DO I NEED TO GO ONE ??? THE LIST IS ENDLESS AND FOR UMTEENTH TIME STOP BEING BLINKERED THIS CLUB IS GOING KNOWWHERE UNDER THE CURRENT REGIME (MORGAN MOXEY AND MCARTHY all of them )
now to those of you who will reply …. our new stand, investment in the team etc….
firstly we didnt need a new stand we couldnt fill the fist one ! and secondly investment in the team ? what investment ? 20 million quid is bird seed in this league and with all the money generated from staying up , tv , media,matchday gate recepits etc… wolves have quadrupled there turnover/profit so ask yourselves this :
‘WHERES THE MONEY GONE ?’ 2 OF THE 3 M’S ARE LAUGHING AT US RIGHT NOW GUESS WHICH 2 IT IS ?
WE NEED TO MAAKE A STAND AFTER THE SUNDERLAND GAME WIN LOSE OR DRAW ITS TIME FOR ACTION AGAINS THESE 3 PEOPLE WHO CANT CARE LESS ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF WOLVERHAMPTON THEY SAY ONE THING BUT MEAN ANOTHER
MCARTHY OUT MORGAN OUT MOXEY OUT !
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FAO SIR BILLY QUITE :
THE FANS PARLIAMENT IS A JOKE the people that go there are ‘selected’ and all are happy clappers just like you and sue.THE REALISTIC WOLVES FANS WILL NEVER GET A SAY FACE TO FACE WITH MORGAN OR MOXEY FOR REASONS WHICH WE ALL KNOW WHY
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO STOP BEING A HAPPY CLAPPER AND JOIN THE MASSES THAT ARE GATHERING AGAINST THE CURRENT REGIME ?
3 MS OUT !!
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24 – larrydavid – i’m afraid you are utterley wrong some teams fans are massively more fickle than others – have a listen as you meander down Waterloo Road
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Which came first, the season’s fickle performances by the manager and team after raised hopes of top ten finish prior to ticket sales, or the customer’s legitimate complaints?
Obscene language and gesturing one week by the manager, now name-calling by the chief exec. I’m off down that friendly local pub to watch Spurs.
Ok, so I’m fickle :-(
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Moxey say the fans are “fickle”,McCarthy says he doesn`t know which solutions to picking the team work best and Morgan sits there worrying about his new stand.What a wonderful management team we have while we slide further towards the basement.Come on,we are going backwards in our third year.By now we should be showing some improvement albeit only slight,I`m sorry but not with this manager,he has taken the club as far as he can and it`s time for a change.Wake up Mr.Morgan,forget enlargeing the ground,you certainly won`t be filling it with McCarthy in charge so make a move,GET RID OF HIM NOW,Get,O`Niell in and we may make our mark after all.
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The only people who will find issue with thess statements are the fickle, mindless idiots that they are meant for. Personally I find them wholly accurate and it annoys me how fans can turn up on a saturday, vent all and sundry at the team, manager, chairman etc and then get uppity when those actions are questioned and thrown back at them. I get that people pay good money, I am in their boat but currently it is the atmopshere created by the people around me rather than the teams performance that is ruining my match going experience. If you go in to a restaurant and start abusing the chef don’t be surprised if he spits on your food.
I am the first to admit that there is only limited room for sentiment in football, but for gods sake look where we have come from, what do people really expect? Due to footballs economics we aren’t ever going to win the league, unlikely to win a cup so the very best we can hope for is mid-table in the Prem, a position we are 3 points off. Some people need to get a grip.
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of course we’re fickle…
was it John Salako who was the brave footballer who called fans “stupid”?
well he’s right. This is a professional sport where the players (in general) don’t care about the club – only the wages. and who can blame them.
Why should the CEO be the same.
Be under no illusions… the second a better job becomes available, Moxey will be out the door. Head of the FA anyone??
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I think people should be carefull what they wish for when saying 3m’s out…
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Fickle. Perhaps if there was more honesty from the Senior Management that would best describe their ambitions instead of all the rubbish that they put out then the fans would be more understanding. One minute they say that they need several new players and then in the next they say they are happy with the squad and then the fans see the team in a relegation battle again and become unsettled. Its not accurate for the happy clappers to suggest that fans do not give enough support to the team because if you pay for a ticket then you are a fan but sometimes frustration leads them to,quite rightly,make their feelings known if the performance is poor. Poor decisions on team and ground improvements are now leading to panic and the fans recognise this.
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Stoke fans have something to shout about, we ain’t
Perhaps the fat controller should go back there! Bet they wouldn’t have him
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so fickle are we
so your fickle and need a thicker skin for suffering so many false dawns since my first game in 1968
when they feel as deflated as me on most saturday afternoons and then go to work all week for what they wouldnt get out of bed for and spend more of it getting deflated again then they can tell me what i am
What i really am is sick of being promised lots and getting nothing and all the time expected to keep being loyal
pity the loyalty doesnt go both ways
how much would they pay to watch the rubbish i do week in week out
as i say every week if MM can play stearman and the like it shows his knowledge of football is nil
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As the majority of the posts I make on this site are critical of the people running the club then probably in Moxey’s eyes I am “fickle”.In view of how the club has performed in its recent history then I think I have every right to be. It absolutely amazes me when people post on this site saying Wolves fans should be grateful for the fact we have been in the premiership for 3 years!! Do me a favour. I remember the days when we were getting to cup semi finals and playing decent football.So Mr Moxey this is what this particular fan(a supporter for 45 years and a season ticket holder for many years) is fickle about:
1.Total disregard for the fans. The club cant even be bothered to tell us how much they pay for players.(The fans parliament is an absolute joke!)
2. No youth players coming through.
3. No investment in the team.
4.No decent cup runs. A seeming acceptance of an annual relegation battle.
5 A chairman who says nothing.
6Falling attendances(Dont blame television Moxey if we were playing decent football the ground would be full)
7No progress on the field.Content to only buy players from clubs that have been relegated from the premiership.
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fao carsick steve post 62 again another person who see’s wolves through rose tinted glasses…. any relation of sue ? or sir billy quite ?
get back in reality we need to unite and force the 3 ms out now not after xmas, morgan brought wolves as his toy with moxey at the helm doing his pr tricks and a manager who is out of his depth at this level
may i suggest if you dont like the atmosphere down the wolves dont go because trust me it is a powder keg waiting to explode starting at the sunderland game im sure sue will respond to this with some happy clapping comments which are now becoming tiresome
actions speak louder than words role on the sunderland game and lets vent what we really feel at the deluded 3 ‘ms
mcarthy out moxey out morgan out and u r a disgrace !
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I would like to ask the font of all knowledge that is streako – 69 (a) who does he think will come and replace Moxey, Mick and Morgan that will do a better job? and (b) what does he really think Wolves can achieve realistically in today’s climate? Perhaps he thinks if we sack Mick Jose Mourinho will want to leave Madrid to come here? Or maybe Sheikh Mansour will ditch Man City the minute he sees that streako and his mates have made a picket outside the Billy Wright statue and forced Morgan out?? Get real, for a club of our size and structure we are doing ok and are 3 points away from what would have to be deemed as successful. I am as frustrated as the next man with some of Mick’s team selections and signings, don’t get me wrong, but I’m also objective enough to know that we are in a better position both in terms of on the field and off the field than we have been in generations and if you can’t see that then I really do pity you.
Remind me what division we were in for all but one of the past 19yrs before Morgan took over would you please streako?
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This is Wolverhampton. Dont we call a spade a spade? So why get upset by a bit of straight talking. Well said Jez.
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The bloke just doesn’t know when to keep his mouth shut, whether he is right or wrong, his attitude stinks. “newsflash”, what’s all that about, patronising idiot.
I can remember a few of his classic comments whilst trying to defend himself.
1. When Graeme Souness was linked with the club he defended his attendance at a match by saying “it was a coincidence really, he was on the same flight as me on the way to and on the way back from Florida for our Xmas holiday” I would like to know what the CEO of a football club was doing going on a 2 week holiday over the Xmas period, that is one of the most important, busiest times in any football club’s season. Plenty of other times to take a break.
2. When Glenn Hoddle handed in his resignation half an hour before England kicked off against Macedonia, Mr Moxey stated that to prove he didn’t expect the resignation that he was, at the time, on West Park boating lake in a boat with his daughters. Nowt wrong with being there but it begs the question, why was the CEO of a football club on a boating lake at that point? England were about to kick off against Macedonia and the Haywood Suite was full of REAL football fans watching the game on big screens. I would have thought that a) he should have been watching the game in case Mr Hoddle had come to him to ask to sign a player from that game (be it English or Macedonian) at a later date or b) he should have been taking the opportunity to talk to fans in the suite prior to watching the game.
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fao ‘hang the dj’ post 64
so tell me then what the 3 m’s are doing for us now ? not in the past but the present ?not when we were in the championship but now the premiereship ? well …. i await your answer ? because we all know its laughable
THE 3 M’S OUT !!!
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I read the full minutes on the wolves website and I would urge you to do the same. If anything they are even more patronising than this diatribe.
here is a small section…
Ryan Leister began the Q&A session by venting his frustration at what he considered to be a ‘misunderstanding’ regarding the ‘sarcastic cheers’ which greeted Karl Henry’s substitution during the home defeat against Newcastle: “I’d like to know what the thoughts are behind the scenes at the Club. In my view the ironic cheers were concerning Mick making two positive substitutions, which doesn’t usually happen quick enough or not at all in some peoples’ eyes. I don’t think the fans’ reaction was directed at Karl and I believe some people have got the wrong end of the stick.”
Jez responded: “I think the important thing is: how did Karl Henry feel? Karl has recently gone on record saying exactly how he felt and really that’s all that matters. He was disappointed and there was also massive disappointment within the Club at the reaction of some fans, whatever the reason for it. With us all in this together, there was a sense of, yet again, shooting ourselves in the foot.
“In my opinion, the treatment of Mick, and the chanting directed at him by some of the fans marked a low point in my eleven year tenure. After everything he’s done for this Club over the last five years, perhaps some people have short memories. If there was ever a sense of us shooting ourselves in the foot, that was it.”
Karl Henry and Mick McCarthy get paid handsomely to take this criticism.Some people attending Molineux will earn less in a year than Henry does in a week.They still get criticism from their managers, customers and employees if they get it wrong, so why not McCarthy.
Moxey you are completely out of touch,do you not realise there is (as good as)a recession out here in the real world?
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moxey knows nothing about supporting a team, he is not a football person, its not in his blood he will never understand what its like to live and breath your team.
oh and didnt the stoke fans try to burn your house down jez?
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Well you will certainly find out how fickle they are next season Jez when there are only 15000 of them in a 30000 seater stadium. You and Morgan might finally wake up when it hits you in the wallet.
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it looks like a lot of people on here are agreeing on 1 thing at least , 3 m’s out , lets start by all agreeing not to turn up to a certain game , how about we all agree not to go to the norwich game, that will give this post enough time to have spread round everyones lips and lets all make a stance against the rubbish that is happening at ” THE WOLVES ” , they have already had our season ticket money but if we all stay away then they won’t get our pie drink or programme money, morgan might just sit up and listen and realise that everything isn’t rosy at his little toy, so how about it everyone, BOYCOTT WOLVES V NORWICH DECEMBER 20TH
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69, streako
Serious question
How long have you been going to games??
Coz I don’t get the logic of quite a number of fans wanting the 3 M’s out, one of them perhaps, but all 3????
Not trying to disagree with you, or put you down, but would like to understand the rationale behind your statement.
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Streako – I’m afraid it is you that is a disgrace. Partly for your “text speak”, but mainly because of your attitude to Steve Morgan. Whilst I may not agree with your opinions on McCarthy & Moxey, I can see where you’re coming from, regardless of how melodramatic you put things. But Morgan really ? When he purchased the club, the only other serious bidder was Graeme Souness, would that have been better ?
In recent years, a few clubs have changed owners that are, or at least were at the time of buy out, a similar size & position to we are now. Portsmouth, Birmingham, West Ham, Blackburn………. the grass isn’t always greener and we could be an awful lot worse off.
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post 68 robert perry : a spot on post pal couldnt have put it better myself truth hursts doesnt it morgan,moxey ?
3 ms out !
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A lot of this comes down to expectation, and what you realisitcally think Wolves can achieve, and I mean THINK and not WANT Wolves to achieve. On a personal level I am 26yrs old, have been going up for 20yrs and during that time 16yrs of that has been spent underachieving in what is now the Championship. To me, that was real underachievement and completely different to what we’re seeing now. Towards the end of that time when Hoddle was in charge my faith in the club was almost at breaking point as the worst emotion possible had taken hold within the club, and that emotion is apathy where people no longer cared.
The change for this was Hoddle leaving, Mick coming in and people’s expectations being realligned. It is no coincidence that in a year when most fans were just happy for us to stop us we made the play-offs. Likewise, the first year in the Prem, and last year to an extent we were again happy to stop up and we achieved just that. Perhaps this year fans expectations no longer allign with the clubs or are no longer realistic. For me, if the season were to end now and we’d stop up, even in 17th but 3 points off the top half I would be happy, but it seems some will not be, so again I ask, what do people realistically think we can achieve??
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Don’t understand why people seem intent on agreeing with Moxey who is not a paying fan. Wolves fans are no more fickle than any other team in the country, people seem to forget that Albion wanted Hodgson out just a few weeks ago a man who has had little money to spend and what little he has had used to sign Shane Long with. Mick has spent 50 million on this squad and players that have been shipped on at a loss for less than half of what we paid for them. People such as Andrew Surman, Greg Halford and the Neck are all examples of where Mick has wasted our money. We still have not found a better defender than Craddock who imo should walk into this team. The fans have a right to show discontent with the direction the club is going at the moment without being called mindless idiots especially when our manager comes out and says that he was delighted with 1 shot on goal against a team lower than us in the table. I was at the Everton game the fans were fantastic no booing or anti Mick chanting but however Mick choses to paint the performance we conceded 2 goals and lost yet another game. The “mindless idiots” do not expect Wolves to finish top 10 but when the manager comes out and says that is his aim then I can understand some of the illfeeling towards him and the board when we are placed 17th again. I don’t see how our chief executive coming out to the fans parliament and calling his customers fickle is in anyway going to help his or the teams cause. It’s like Mick coming out and calling his players rubbish !
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Why is evry1 agrein wiv this idiot? Im not a big booer or anything but ive braught a season ticket this year with money i cant really afford and am repayed with the rubbish we watch evry week? If they play rubbish thell get rubbish im affraid..only last year moxey and mccarthy said wolves fans are brillient and generate a good atmosphere and we now the fickle ones? The sarcastic jeerz were not aimed at karl in my opinion they were aimed at mick makin yet another change 30 mins late
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fao grace post 78 been a supporter for over 34 years and seen it all !
kentish wolf : cant you see what morgan is doing he is using wolves as a business toy
where the hell has all the money gone ? answer me that ?
what we have spent on signings is pitiful
we didnt need a new stand
the compton traing ground project is a joke another business venture for you know who
no youngsters coming through
ticket prices through the roof
pr thats laughable
morgan keeping his mouth shut
broken promises … remember when we stopped up against blackburn and morgan gave a rousing speach on the pitch… whats it come to… naff all !!
hidden agendas do i need to go on kentish wolf ? there is lots more i could say but cant
get them all out b4 its too late !
morgan out mcarthy out moxey out
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when you only pay £10 for some thing you are
not that worried when it go wrong, has morgan
used any of his own money? 3 season what40/50
a season so 120/150 m what 25/28m on players
wages bill one of lowest in premier leage,he
and moxey are not football men.they have no
ambition for the club just here for the money.
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@ no 77 mayaswell fold the club to hadnt we mate?….fool! and no 82 i was too at Everton n heard idiots saying they were glad that stearman went off injured and slaggin off mcarthy…y bother going to these games if all they are gonna do is moan… if u dont enjoy the games n cant support the players we have then maybe they shud go and support man city who will win most weeks, the prem is the hardest league in the world and we have a young relatively inexperienced squad of players … mcarthy makes questionable decisions but what manager doesnt?football is a business…. u have to accept that our opinions mean relatively little to the heirarchy, look at steve kean and blackburn… if fans voices were heard he’d of gone along time ago!
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also its not micks aim to finish 10th its morgans… based on points we got last season with jamie ohara playing and signing roger jonson…
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It’s great being a Wolves fan, we pay out all this money every season and get called FICKLE, MORONS,NUMPTIES,and MINDLESS IDIOTS. How the hell can you expect us fans to respect this football club, when the three mmm’s can’t even show any respect for the fans,after all don’t we pay towards there wages I’m getting a bit fed up with this club …….
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Streako. Fighting the good fight. Why do you insist in putting caps on to try to get your point across. What are you honestly angry about.
What have the 3m’s done? Well for a start we are in the highest league that we could be in with 26 games to go. Is that laughable? take it you have not been attending for long, you don’t know how good we have it!
Stop putting caps on to try to get your point accross just because you can’t get them across without.
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Dear Jez,
Funny how Stoke seem to have prospered since you went. Yes we’re fickle because we’re sick to death of watching this rubbish! Now do the decent thing and do one…. TA.
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Go roll out out of the wolves and take mm with u we can do better with out u
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The irony is its actually Wolves management that’s fickle. They’ve praised the fans for magnificent support for the last 2 seasons, especially when were were bottom for much of last season.
Apparently that counts for nothing & is soon forgotten.
Then one whole minute ‘sarcastic’ clapping and they brand us a disgrace/ mindless idiots/fickle.
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Can u blame the wolves fans watching the game is the pub the dross were turning out just lately ?
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we are not fickle we just dont like you MOXEY or MAD MICK .
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just raed mick wants another sunderland reject that’s progress c4 us
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3M’s Out????
…just goes to show how ridiculous some the so-called ‘fans/supporters’ are!! …probably the same ones that constantly call for Martin O’Neill to be manager.. (“oh, he’s available, quick snap him up!” ..(he’s available because he left yet another club in the lurch!))
This thread just goes to show what a shambles a majority of the “supporters” are.
If you’re unhappy with the way the club is run or managed, ..go and support some other team! The 3M’s do not have to justify themselves to a bunch of people who contribute nothing but negativity.
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I would have thought the comment could be said of all supporters within almost all major sports.
What might be more useful would for the CEO to explain, without spin, the matters that truly bother Wolves fans, such as inadequate timely investment in new players, dreadful team tactics, wretched communications between manager and fans and between himself (CEO) and fans etc.
I honestly believe that if the team were playing good football to the extent they were able but still heading for relegation, and the manager was not given to dressing up appalling football and regular defeats as being ok, almost all fans would be behind the team and the club in general.
Fickle fans many of us are, but what of the failings at the top? If only they were as easy to remedy!
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Moxey is and will always be a PR nightmare.Third season in the Prem so fans are expecting more than a relegation battle.Time will tell.
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What marks Wolves fans out is there impatience with passing football which does make things a bit more difficult at Premier league level – Colin.
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Well said, Robert Perry (post 68). That’s a good list you compiled, mate. We could add a few more items to it, too, if fans so wished:
1. Rip-off charges for booking tickets.
2. Hugely overpriced refreshments.
3. A manager that can insult and swear at the fans, yet escape any apparent reprimand.
4. The South Bank handed over on a plate to the Steptoes for the cost of a pie and a pint.
5. Liquidator banned -nowhere else, though, I notice.
All these things have, in their own very small way, slowly eroded the warm feelings some fans have towards their club. It’s no use selling Premier League football to the Gold ‘n’ Black masses, Wolves, if your fans don’t feel respected and appreciated. Instead, many feel taken for granted and exploited at every opportunity.
As we’re now customers rather than fans, you can reasonably expect a few complaints from time to time, Jez. That’s life, I’m afraid, son. Also, being ‘fickle’ is merely human nature and not a facet exclusive to Wolves fans, Jez. That’s why every club has them. So, get used to it, mate -just as we have had to get used to a brand of crap, unexciting football that costs an arm and a leg to ‘enjoy’ at Molineux.
You may take it that I’ll be saving my sympathies for our loyal fanbase. As always, they’re the real heart of the club -not the guys in pressed suits.
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I have been critical on here many times of the club putting ground redevelopment ahead of team building,but I totally agree with Kentish Wolf,we could do a lot lot worse than having Steve Morgan as an owner.The guy who was partner to Souness was previously the owner at Stockport and look what has happened to them.Best thing Jez Moxey has done is helping Sir Jack in the takeover talks to make sure we got Morgan and not Souness.As for Moxey’s comments they were not tactful but highly qualified.To put things into perspective people should read the second part of today’s Daily Swain re Tony Mowbray helping Gary Parkinson.There are a lot more important things in life than losing a football match.Anyway we should all cheer up,salvation is on the way,I see we have been linked with Collins from Stoke and Andrews from Blackburn.Now that is real ambition.
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3 m’s out please
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I’m now into my 43rd season visiting Molineux. I was there when Steve Bull made his home league debut (a 2-1 defeat against Southend 20/12/86). I was there at Plymouth when McCarthy took charge. I’m sick to death of what is happening at Molineux at the moment so I guess I must be one of Moxey’s so called fickle fans.
The underperforming manager is slagging off the fans and literally taking the mick by praising absolutely dire performances, the overpaid and underperforming captain who has only been here for a couple of months has slagged off the fans, the overpaid and underperforming Jez Moxey is slagging off the fans.
The quality of football being played is an absolute joke and quite frankly embarrassing for a club with premier league status let alone a club in its 3rd year in the prem. Newly promoted teams seem streets ahead of us on the pitch. The atmosphere at Molineux is dismal partly because the most passionate fans have been threatened with deactivation of their smart card tickets if they dare to show any passion.
On the face of it we should be on a high. 3rd season in the top division for the first time in 30 years but things are very rotten in the current state of Molineux IMO. Much of it stems from Moxey and his unwavering support for a manager who has overall done an excellent job for the club from what he came into but has reached the limit of his ability and has gone a couple of seasons past his move on date.
Outsiders may well come to Molineux for a game and get suprised by all the negativity, but thats it isnt it – they come to just one game while the regular fans see whats unfolding in front of them game in game out and therefore have every right to be negative with the dross that is being served up. What is more negative than repeatedly rolling the ball back to the Hennessey for him to hoof it forward and lose possession?
I’m still quite positive on Morgan and I can only hope that my gut feeling about him is correct and that he will act soon. With the present thinking coming from Moxey/McCarthy I can only see one outcome for this season at the moment, relegation. If by some miracle we do again survive by the skin of our teeth again I can only presume McCarthy will be in charge for yet another season so it will be more of the same.
All I can say with certainty is that my 2 season tickets will not be renewed next season if things continue as they are. I’m sure the call of Molineux will no doubt lure me back at some stage but only on a temporary basis. My passion will have to be reignited big time to tempt me into a season ticket again.
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I agree it’s a powder keg and I think it would be best that it explodes as the club do not seem to be listening to anything else.
Sunderland game; I think it’s time to express ourselves loudly and clearly as fans at other clubs (fickle???) would have done long ago.
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Moxey should shut his mouth,we fans have a right to voice an opinion when results arent goin to plan ,we pay moxeys wages and the players,but he will soon try and be every supporters friend when season ticket renewal comes around.
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I don’t understand this
‘If the 3M’s go Wolves will fall off the edge of the world’ mentality.
Get a grip, Wolves have been around longer than any of us and will be here long after.
Although I do feel there is a bit of mischief making in this one.
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Rafa Benitez, I need say no more, forget Mick, O’neil and Hughes.. This man has what it takes to take us forward.. He is not arrogant and he is a football man who will get our team to play with style.. Sing his name at the next game, and help make a change that will take us forwards.
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He’s right. The majority of us are fickle including me. But seriously Jez, what do you do at the club?
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In Websters dictionary the definition of Fickle is; “Inconstant in feeling or purpose” “Changeable” “Erratic” “Unsteady”. Which just about sums up the performance of this Wolves team, leadership and Manager, not to mention the team tactics.
I don’t want to offend you “Einsteins” out there who consider Moxey’s “Tell it like it is” attitude even remotely believable, but it does appear many of you are again falling for the lies.
I would hardly say that fans feeling disgruntled after three years of Management lies, struggle, and broken promises even remotely relates to being “Fickle”.
The three M’s are smart, unfortunately a lot smarter than the many people posting on this site, they know how to play the game.
The majority of people here have genuine concerns and are good people, with differing views.
We all need to collectively look at the facts.
A large majority of fans are either happy or unhappy with how this club is being run, That is a fact.
Moxey stating that even a few Wolves fans are fickle is untrue and not a fact, based on Websters dictionary.
McCarthy picking his favourites to play whether in form or not, is a fact.
Moxey and McCarthy stating that the squad was stong enough in the summer is a fact.
The squad being strong enough is not a fact.
Moxey comparing Wolves supporters to Stoke is untrue and not a fact.
Morgan, McCarthy, Moxey want what is best for them. NOT Wolvehampton Wanderers, FACT.
McCarthy having no sympathy for Chelsea is a fact, as will his crying into the camera on Saturday that they are a top four team, but we played well.
People get real. Don’t let their lies divide us.
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So Mr Moxey calls our fans fickle. Well they have plenty to be fickle about. They pay extremely hard earned money to watch some absolutely dire performances week in and week out.
The club are investing megabucks to re-build a stadium on land we don’t even own – shouldn’t we get the team right first?
They stop the “singing south bank” from singing, thus killing the atmosphere by making everyone sit down – every other club has standing up fans so why cant we? Try telling the Man U fans to sit down! They help lift the team so why stop them? So health and safety might mean taking out 200 seats. So what, they are only the 200 often given over to away fans anyway – are we bothered – no.
Personally, I have often wondered if there is a hidden agenda for Mr Morgan in his acquisition of Molineux and I am certainly not convinced on his commitment to everything gold and black. Lets face it, he brought the club for a steal and could make an enormous profit if he sold the club tomorrow.
Then we have Mick having a go at the fans. I have always liked Mick McCarthy but am fast losing respect for him. The “paying customers” have a right to voice their opinion. If they didn’t pay he wouldn’t have a job. It would help if he didn’t keep playing players out of position – everyone groans when they hear the team sheet.
The 3Ms need to get their act together and sort things out. Furthermore, they should all give the fans a very sincere apology – and quickly!!
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Streako – Do you think everybody works at Wolves for nothing ?
If you say, the average earnings of our 25 man squad is £30k a week, pretty modest in the Premier League these days, that’s around £36 million a year, or £108 million by the end of our 3rd Premier League year. On top of that you have whatever the salaries are of the younger players not in the 25, the coaches, manager & yes, of course the directors. You have the running costs of the stadium, gas, electric, water, council tax, you have the running costs of the training ground & the youth set up. We have the wages of the retail side & then theirs all the administration that comes with the club that somebody is paid to do. Then of course there are the transfer fees we’ve paid out. I’ve tried to give you an idea of where the money might have gone but I suspect I haven’t even really begun to scratch the surface of the clubs actual costs. I haven’t even mentioned printing costs & things like that.
You moan about no youngsters coming through, but then moan about the club investing in better facilities to try and improve our youth set up ?
Like I say, whatever you think of McCarthy & Moxey, fair enough, but to insinuate that Morgan is here to take money out of the club, a club he invested £30 million of his own cash in, is really not fair on the man.
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Do you know what, if it didn’t mean so much I would almost agree with the likes of streako and the guy who wants to boycott a match and say yeah, lets get everyone out from the top down and then see where we are, once we’ve gone the way of Charlton, Leeds, Bradford etc then they can all sit back and be rightly proud of what they’ve achieved. Who is to say anyone new coming in would do better? After all, like it or not Morgan has already achieved more at the club in 3yrs than SJH did in 16yrs.
What also scares me is this notion of being a ‘happy clapper’ being a negative thing, almost as if to be a real fan you have to go to games filled with cynicism and doubt and question the men the top just because “we’m payin’ customers ay we”. For me, this can go two ways, either people like myself who like to be objective and reasonable about things get driven away by the horrid atmosphere and the lunatics take over the asylum, or this element of support that purports to be the heart and soul of the club but are actually nothing but hypocritical doom mongers need to stay away or go and poison another club. I’d honestly much rather go to games with 10 to 15,000 reasonable and happy people than brag about our supposed large and fantastic fanbase when half of them are doing nothing more than drag the place down.
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Calling us fans ‘Fickle’ is a laugh! The man is obviously uneducated, however wealthy he is off the back of us fans! We are consistant everyweek, home or away! We are the only form of consistancy at the Mol! However, the gates are dwindling gradually and this must be a worry to Moxey and Morgan!
They have only themselves, and MM to blame for this! It’s okay saying what they have done etc etc but we have to deal with the here and now! 3 season in and still no further forward, disgraceful manager statistics and tactics, predictable, boring poor quality football from below par players who would be better off at other clubs in the fizzy! Moxey is all self serving and glaringly out of touch with fans and their needs!
Massive response now building for the Sunderland game protest now, it will be interesting to see, if any, the response. I agree the Benitez would be a good replacement for what is here at present also Ray Wilkins is worth looking at as well!
The best thing Moxey could do is just leave and be replaced with a football person, someone the fans respect!
UTW
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MESSAGE TO EVERYONE – BOYCOTT THE WOLVES V NORWICH GAME , lets show moxey and morgan what its going to be like playing in a half empty state of the art stadium and revenue down , unless thay invest in the current squad this is what ots going to be like week in week out, WE ARE GOING BACKWARDS NOT FORWARDS UNDER MICK , try and spread the word and lets make a stance for a change , calling on all you so called fickle wolves fans who turn up week in week out and pay your hard earn’t money to watch rubbish , now is the time to change it ,, BOYCOTT THE NORWICH GAME
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CarSick Steve-I was beginning to think it was just me ,Sir Billy,Noisy,Kentishwolf,johnwolf and a some others as the doom mongers do seem to have the upper hand on here, you give me faith that was probably the best blogg I’ve read, Streako will probably say I’m being tiresome (pot Kettle comes to mind)he thinks you’re a relation of mine or Sir Billys, haven’t a clue who you are! but well said my friend.
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35. Jamie Bennie.
Poor effort pal, try harder next time
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One thing for certain about Moxey and MM is that they’ve got us divided and it’s getting worse not better. It’s a leaders job to unify and lead or let someone else have a go. It’s always been my opinion of Moxey that he holds us back more than he lets us go forward. Moxey out you never know MM might do better with out him around.
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This mans not up to the standard required of a top flight football club, you don’t call your customers fickle to their face in any form of business, why is the management trying to drive a wedge between the fans,creating a civil war atmosphere, I suspect it’s to hide their own inadequacies.
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Feelings running high & why not – however this comment is not about Jez’s comments to the Wolves Parliment but to the “how do I replace O’Hara at Chelsea” from Mick. Mick believes Jamies 3 goals in 4 games & the role he plays makes us hard to beat! Hello we have lost the last 7 out of 8 games. That makes us the “Easybeats” I think – & they were an Aussie band in the 60′s. Come on Mick – talk bloody sense – all is not well up at our club. Steve Morgan if you don’t want to sack him because you appreciate what he had done (so do we) move him to an upstairs role, & appoint Mark Hughes with his own assistant coach & backroom staff. LOVE YOU MICK BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. UTW
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sue – 115, thank you, I appreciate the sentiment and it is good to know that the fanbase isn’t completely full of short-sighted mindless idiots to use a now well-worn phrase. Don’t get me wrong, overall I am far from happy with the current situation and of course I would like the team to be performing better in the league and playing more free-flowing football and also getting better value for my money, but I know that life isn’t perfect and I’m also intelligent enough to know that football on the whole is a cruel game which you buy into knowing that there is an 80%-90% chance you will probably be disappointed at various points during every season. This isn’t a Football Manager game, the Premier League is the most highly sought after league to play in in world football and therefore the highest to stop in. We are very much a goldfish in a pond full of sharks still in terms of experience in this division both on the field, and arguably even more crucially off the field. In 20yrs of this League this is only our 4th year in it so to survive in it still should IMHO be deemed a success. I’m pleased that the people at the top seem to have a long term vision for the club and have learned the lessons from the last 20yrs where constant knee-jerk reactions got us absolutely nowhere and held us back whilst numerous ‘smaller’ clubs tasted the big time before us.
If we’re going to go down we’ll go down whether MM remains in charge or not, and I do have my reservations now as to whether or not he has taken us as far as he can it must be said. But talks of Benitez or O’Neill wanting to come in are laughable and whilst there is an absense of a realisitic candidate being available who will definitely do a better job then we should chill out a bit and stick with Mick for me.
I ask you, what is better for our club? All pulling together and working to get out of this or boycoting a game just because you sit in the South Bank and still beat your chest because the police forced you out of the stand all those years ago? If you and your ilk do boycot the Norwich game then you never know, the atmoshpere will probably be better and consequently the team might play with a bit more freedom and play better, so go ahead, I’d be glad for you not to be there.
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SOME fans are fickle but what frustrates me is the constant negativity that gets reported here. MOST fans are loyal and without them we wouldn’t have such a fantastic club.
Whatever the criticism of fans by Moxey et al it is foolhardy as they are the ones running the club and this excuse of look how far we’ve come doesn’t wash. We have to look forward.
Facts are at the moment we lose most weeks, the standard of football we play is dire, even when we win it’s never convincing and supports have a right to moan due to the money they pay every week! Moxey and McCarthy should take a look at themselves and ask if what they are doing is really good enough instead of just having a pop at the fans.
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120- We will never forgive moxey for that day the police never made that decision moxey did, he tested it out against villa in a friendly remember and came out with a excause about the steve bull stand being only wolves fans as its his game. less segrigation = more money = bigger bonus £££££££
Wolves will never do anything with moxey in charge.
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@ 120 – Carsick Steve. I congratulate you on your post – one of the most sensible I have seen on here. When I was able to drive up to the W. Midlands to support my club, as a season ticket holder, I would have loved to have done it in a more comfortable and better car – but I made do with what I could afford. Had I done otherwise and splashed out on a superior model, it would have been great for a time, but eventually my finances would have caught up on me and something would have had to go. In the same way, Wolves could splash out and perhaps enjoy fleeting success – but for how long and to what end? Wolves are no longer a big club and on a larger scale have to balance their finances accordingly, and I for one accept that. It will affect the way we compete in the Premier (or any) League obviously but, if any one of us could change places with Steve Morgan, could we honestly say we would do things much differently – if it was our money at stake? It is easy to spend other folks’ money for them, especially when one doesn’t know their overall financial commitments.
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122 – moxey out now – If you really, truly believe that then fair enough. You’re wrong, but who am I to try and convince you otherwise if that is your opinion. Don’t forget, for FA Cup games away teams are allowed a bigger allocation of tickets and the club only usually strikes a gentleman’s agreement with visiting teams for them to have a lower amount of tickets. Albion used their right to demand the full allocation as they would sell them, the club pushed for the split lower SB / JH flank as they did with the Man Utd and Rochdale cup games in previous years but the police would not allow this, the club therefore had little choice but hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good witch hunt.
You’re probably against the new North Bank as well, conveniently however the away fans will soon be situated up there which means that the situation will not arise again, something you have probably never given a thought to. The Villa friendly is irrelevant as it was just that, a friendly with a very low attendance. It just beggars belief to me why some people are that convinced that Moxey et al hate the fans when as savvy businessmen they are surely aware that they are the lifeblood of the club. Nothing but short-sighted blinkerdness and an unwavering desire to see only what you want to see.
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How much longer have got to put up with the comments from this ? I was going to write man but that is an insult to us men.
We are the people that line his pocket with cash,we must do something to get rid as I am getting fed up with being blamed for the inept manner our club is being run.
MOXEY GO NOW.
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Ok then Carsick lets let Moxey say what he wants about the fans to his little parliament club, let’s also let him persist with ripping the fans off and while we’re at it let’s let him continue with McCarthy spitting out bile to the fans like he has done today regarding tactics. Tactics that may I remind you have seen us lose 7/8 games you “mindless idiot”. If you’re happy with recent performances and direction of the club then you must be thicker than you sound just like the blind obedient Sue Sir Billy etc …
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Carsick Steve. Wolves could have given Albion a smaller allocation and taken a smaller one for the replay. It was Moxeys choice alone and by taking left us open to ridicule by them lot down the road. I for one will never forgive him for that. I appreciate your measured comments but do agree. Moxey is only out for himself not for us ! Moxey out.
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Not agree. Sorry.
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Streako
Fair play, but if you have seen it all then you should realise that from the dark days prior to the Gallaghers buying the club to where we are today, the current regime have moved the club forward at a far quicker pace than anyone else prior & that’s not me being dierespectful to anyone who has been there before they were the platform for this growth.
I dont agreed with some of the things the club do & are doing, but they are in the best position to decide the best way forward for the club as a business, both in the short & long term & that appears to be what they are trying to do, no??
And for all of still whining about the Steptoes having the south bank nearly 5 yrs ago, whether you’re wrong or right, just let it go FFS, its history & all your moaning ain’t gonna change it!!!!
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Seems I guessed correctly that, if I mentioned the South Bank being handed over to the Steptoes (post 100) that someone would pick up the baton and run with it. And they have. Unsurprising, really, because that act by Moxey was tantamount to sacrilege.
Yes, it’s in the past and yes, we’re building a new ground. However, that dreadful decision was the very day I realised just how out of touch this club had become with its fans. It was the day when the club effectively spat in its own fans’ faces and subjected us to ridicule by our most despised rivals. And all for money.
As BrummieNick correctly says, both clubs could’ve agreed on a smaller away following. In fact, I’d rather have given away home advantage than suffer the indignity of being turfed out of my seat. Like you, Nick, I will never forgive or forget. Neither will thousands more.
OTT? Not so. The South Bank took over from the North Bank decades ago as Wolves ‘spiritual home’, yet Moxey stabbed us in the back. Any fan who can live with Moxey’s decision and feels quite happy about it…fine. Good for you. Just don’t insist that the rest of us have to feel the same. Respect our feelings, as I do yours.
Wolves are more than a football club -they’re this City’s proudest institution. Wolves invoke fiery passions…yet Moxey either didn’t realise this or even care enough.
Unlike us, he aint Gold ‘n’ Black through and through. His disgusting actions proved it. Nuff said.
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Am I the only one getting a bit sick and tired of remember the days before this,that and the other.
If we are to remember anything lets remember TWO HIGHLIGHTS of Moxey’s career.
1) He was partially responsible for the sacking of Dave Jones.
2) He was solely responsible for the employment of Glenn Hoddle and approval of the signings!!
He is also responsible together with Mr Mac for some of the diabolical players signed and sold Eastwood et al.
Check it some of you it don’t make good reading.
Well said YOSB.Post 130.
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right then the following post is for ALL the happy clappers who post on this board and are happy with the 3′m’s lets just put into context what they have actually done for us :
1.mick mcarthy : got us promoted to the premiereship after a tiresome 20 years in the doldrums a great thing to achieve , however completely out of his depth in the premiereship.Waists money on inept signings,tactically clueless,no plan’b', tells his own fans where to go and calls them numpties, pr is atrocious….. HAS TO GO FACT !
2 gez moxey : where do i start ? sells the fans down the river by all the woffle that comes from his mouth via s morgan.rips fans off by ticket pricing,hotline premium rate numbers,a generally vile individual whpo has a hidden agenda namely proffit couldnt care less about wolverhampton or the people who support the team
3 steve ‘ the so called messiah’ morgan
buys the club for £10.00 promises to invest £30million quid, where is it ? we have stopped up for 2 seasons togther with all the tv revenue advertising,corporate hospitality etc etc…… has had his money back 4 fold yet no money or very little invested in the team …why not ?
our lovely new north bank …. why did we need another stand ? we couldnt fill the one we had !
training ground complex with lovely new houses built on it ask yourself why ??? if you dont know the answer happy clappers then you are barking mad
now to the fans parliament a joke if ever there was one.all ‘fans’ are hand picked and are happy clappers like sue etc… the proper wolves fans have no chance of questioning the 3 ms why do they hand pick them ask yourself
so to all the idiotic happy clappers and you know exactly who you are i suggest as some have posted they may stay away as they dont like the hostility being created by the likes of myself, well let me tell you im not the minority ! the happy clappers are so again for umpteenth time lets get the 3 ms out as there is a hidden agenda behind wolves lets get the fuse lit and let the keg explode at sunderland
mcarthy out morgan out moxey out !
ps grace you are another that is deluded as sue related by any chance ?
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Dear Ye Olde South Bank (130),
It won’t suit your twisted anger but the FA Cup regulations and the police were the major factors in the WBA takeover of the South Bank NOT JEZ MOXEY. HE HAD NO CHOICE. West Brom wanted the maximum number of tickets. Wolves had to put them somewhere and the idea of two places ie Lower Steve Bull and the side of the South Bank was not acceptable to the police. Now what would you have done? Refused?
Oh, and by the way, the ‘South Bank thing’ was a product of Wolves hooligans deciding that the North Bank wasn’t exciting/violent enough. The North Bank may be from a different generation now but that is the spiritual home of the vocal element. They have aged and now the younger and more vocal generation are settled elsewhere. All very normal – apart from the ‘South Bank thing’ being born from violence.
Nuff said ;-) UTW
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post 133 agreed moxey had no choice in the baggies thing in the south bank however it was the way he handled it via the ‘pie and a pint fiasco, can u really see liverpool giving everton the kop ?man utd giving city the stretford end ?
and as for the north bank yes back in the day it was our main end but over the last 10 years it is litterally like a morgue naff all singing or very little that if we in the south bank can just about hear, whichtherefore must mean that the happy clapper brigade must sit in the north bank ?
well i hope they are all comfy in te new stand that te messiah has built but you may have to pass the caviar over a few rows of empty seats when weare in the championship
mcarthy out morgan definately out moxey OUT !
cucumber sandwich sue ?
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SORRY ALSO FORGOT TO APOLOGISE TO YE OLD SOUTHBANK havinglooked back i regretably said he was one of the happy clappers, putting the record straight he quite clearly isnt, welcome on board YOSB the ever growing majority who want these deluded MONEY GRABBING inept individuals out of our beloved club sue, grace and a few others included
3 m’s out ! morgan you are a disgrace
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133. No we didn’t as the home side with a segregation issue it was our call as to whether give them the full or reduced allocation OUR choice well in fact Moxeys. Simples Fact!!!
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Streako – thanks for maintaining the one constant on here. That anything with ‘FACT’ typed at the end of it will be an opinion.
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Me thinks Big Bucks Moxey needs to invest a bit of his dosh in a decent PR advisor.
Lesson number 1: get the local paper on side (ie don’t wind them up by excluding them from a fans event).
Lesson number 2: don’t insult your paying customers!
It’s basic stuff really.
The bit that’s really got up my nose was the “Newsflash” bit. Bet he thought he was so clever and I bet there was a little ripple of laughter from the clapping seals aka the hand picked Fans Parliament.
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Streako-Do you not like women now it’s me and Grace,every post you mention me it’s becoming TIRESOME.ha ha.
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Whilst I’m still in the happy clapper camp, I am finding it more and more difficult to do so. I do think Mick has taken us as far as he is able to and we need to replace him with a manager that can consolidate our position properly without a constant year in year out relegation battle. My main point though is that, judging by these boards, I’ve never known a wolves fan base be so divided. We’ve got anti-numpty, anti-happy clapper, anti-north bank, anti-southbank, insults flying everywhere… I bet the Albion fans are laughing their heads off. If we can’t be united in the terraces how can we expect the playing team to be united. Regardless of your opinion on the 3 M’s, the ground, which stand you sit in, what colour pants you have on – can we please please please show a united front and get behind the team.
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**Newsflash**
Grace ain’t a woman!!!
And steako can’t write, type or spell yet we are all expected to respect his opinion whilst he is continually abusive to posters with a balanced opinion.
How’s that Mr Moderater ????
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Have you ever asked yourself why a club that purports to be the size of Wolves has constantly underachieved over the past 20-25 years whilst any number of less prestigious clubs have stolen a march on us and been more successful? After all, you can’t blame the Managers because they’ve come and gone, you can’t blame the Chairmen because they’ve come and gone, and you can’t lay the blame at the players because they’ve come and gone, as have Chief Execs, Groundsmen, tea ladies, anyone you wish to name. The one constant throughout this period of underachievement has been the fans. A fanbase that craved Premier League football for years and now that it has finally been delivered and the club has an open long term vision that is no longer good enough and the people that have delivered it are open to such abuse because the team loses more than it wins. Newsflash : if you want to see a Wolves team win more games than they lose then you’d better hope they go down because the reality of football these days is that a club like Wolves will always struggle in the Premier League.
Just take a read of this thread, some people’s views are a disgrace and make me ashamed to be a Wolves fan, sack the manager, sack the chairman, sack the chief exec, boycot games, stage protests, honestly, some people must just live to moan and it’s no wonder we are a laughing stock and get painted as idiots and ‘dingles’. I agree with Carsick Steve, let the lunatics take control and then see how much better of we will be.
Describing you lot as fickle is being kind to you
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streako- your angry about something, thats obvious but, writing in caps and using the word fact a lot does’nt mean anything.
and stating that other posters must be related just because they disagree with your pessimistic views, now that is childish.
and stating how long you’ve been a wwfc fan is irrelevant .
if you hate the 3ms that much why not save your money for something else?
ranting and raving on these pages will not alter anything.
i personally love wwfc, regardless which league they are in.
utw.
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Streako – We were incredibly lucky that in Sir Jack, we found an owner willing to pump his own personal fortune into a club and then write it off. That isn’t the norm and it’s unrealistic to expect a chairman, any chairman, to do the same.
You keep saying Morgan is a disgrace, his job is to look after our club. In the short time he’s been here we’ve been promoted, we’re in our 3rd consecutive Premier League season and we’re one of very few, football clubs, in any division, managing to breakeven without selling prized assets. He is determined this club won’t sink into a debt spiral for a short term gain to boost his ego like Milan Mandaric did at Pompey before bailing out. In what way is he a disgrace ?
Your assertion that he’s here to just take money out of the club is a joke, and to call him a disgrace, despite the club being in a stronger position now than we’ve been in for generations makes you a joke.
You appear to want change for the sake of having change. It doesn’t always work. Would you rather the Venky’s? Maybe Milan Mandaric? or how about getting McKay in like Doncaster have done to oversee their transfer dealings? or how about Carson Yeung? Or Peter Risdale? I’d love it if you could just advise us all on what sort of ownership model you’d rather Wolves work under than the current one ?
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142 – 25 years ago this month Steve Bull signed for this club and there was certainly no underachievement in the first 5 years of Bullys reign with 2 promotions and 50,000+ Wolves fans at Wembley to watch a 4th division team lift the Sherpa Van Trophy.
The serious underachievement has taken place during the SJH reign, who though had a heart of gold (and black) did not have a clue about running a football club. After about 10 years he eventually appointed Moxey whom he was grateful to because he helped him run it slightly better than it was run before …. which is not saying much! All of the “underachievement” of the last 20-25 years effectively took place under SJH and a very large slice of it under Jez Moxey.
The fans of this club are generally absolutely first class proper football fans unlike the plastic fans that many clubs have however we dont suffer fools easily. Unfortunately Jez Moxey in particular and Mick McCarthy are both treating us with contempt to cover up their own shortcomings. We are not happy and the current atmosphere at the club is as poisonous as I can ever remember and that includes the Bhatti period.
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Martin – So we have a situation where 2 self made millionaire businessmen with a knowledge of the inner workings and finances of a football club deeply value the work Moxey does, but they’re both wrong and a few thousand football fans who have no idea about the inner workings of a football club no better ?!
They’re not treating us with contempt, don’t be so melodramatic.
Moxey represents the cynical business side of football that has crept into the game over the last 15 years or so. To him it’s not a sport in the sense that the fans wish it to be, it’s a business. That is what football has become. Not only that, we’re a relatively small business at the moment compared to our competition in this league. But if he didn’t view his position in that way we wouldn’t be where we are now, we’d be a lot worse off.
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Sincere and genuine apologies to all fans for what will be a long post. Unfortunately, I need to address a few points.
133 (Moxey Is A True Wolf) – Quote: “It won’t suit your twisted anger”. The word ‘twisted’ deliberately implies illogical, unreasonable, even warped logic. On the contrary, my assertions are perfectly valid and logical. Accordingly, ‘twisted’, my friend, is trying to defend the indefensible -just as you’ve done. Allow me to explain:
If you remember, I said that the day Moxey handed over the South Bank was the day I realised just how out of touch this club had become with its fanbase -and I quite literally meant -and mean- those words. I was shocked to the core, to be honest. I realised right there and then that the top brass really DIDN’T appreciate the bridges they’d break or, just as importantly, the anti-social consequences of their actions. The scuffles in the lower tier of the Bully Stand on matchday between fans, stewards and police -plus the after-match violence- were TOTALLY PREDICTABLE. Jeez, any dimwitted thicko could’ve predicted that. Yet, amazingly, Jez not only allowed it to happen, but so too did the Police and the FA.
You shouted, “HE HAD NO CHOICE”. Well, I disagree, as is my prerogative. Jez DID have a choice -as did West Brom in asserting their ‘right’ to a full compliment of tickets. Both clubs KNEW FULL WELL what the consequences were likely to be -and it duly materialised, of course- so where was either club’s common sense? Both clubs rightly denounce violence where Black Country Derby games are concerned, but neither felt it important enough to back down. Ever considered this point? I have. Moxey could and SHOULD have informed the Police and FA that there would be NO WAY our South Bank was going to be sacrificed…only over his dead body -period. Moxey would have bought himself much respect for that. He didn’t -so it’ll be forever hung around his neck like an albatross. Fans will talk of it for decades to come, even if I don’t. That’s the measure of the impact HIS DECISION has made.
Poor old Moxey is the guy who, let’s not forget, banned Liquidator due the foul language and sheer hostility it generated against WBA. According to Jez’s warped logic however, it seems that handing over the South Bank to the Steptoes was LESS of a risk. Work that one out, if you can! The same could be said of the Police’s logic -I mean, they were the ones who wanted Liquidator banned, right? Sorry, but they’re both hypocrites when you think deeply enough about it. However, if they’re NOT to be seen hypocrites, then we have to accept that playing Liquidator is/was far more conducive to inciting riotous disorder. That’s logical enough by anyone’s standards, surely?
Am I seriously expected to believe that the Police and FA couldn’t/wouldn’t recognise the likely consequences and decline Albion’s full-ticket allocation? Do you truly believe that common sense couldn’t rule the day, if pushed hard enough? Or did Moxey suddenly lose his voice and meekly give in? If so, he’s in the wrong job because we needed backbone, not a wimp.
Do you think it was a wise move considering that the violent, lunatic fringe would predictably be only too willing to exploit this situation, both inside and outside the ground? Talk about a powder keg in the making! Yet, like the fools they are, they went ahead, like lemmings over a cliff. Result? Eleven cops hospitalised as Wolves thugs viciously battled Police for more than an hour in the city centre, overturning vehicles in the process. I’m not saying it wouldn’t have kicked off anyway, but everyone ‘in the know’ realises that the South Bank fiasco was akin to pouring jet fuel on proceedings. Only a dimwit can’t appreciate that.
As Nick says in Post 136, “It was our call as to whether give them the full or reduced allocation – OUR choice. Well in fact Moxey’s”. And that’s the key point, Nick: ‘segregation issues’. The authorities would surely have accepted Wolves plea IF our beloved CEO had pushed the point. Alternatively, give up bloody home advantage and embarrass the FA in the process!
Imagine Pompey giving up their beloved Fratton End to Southampton fans. Yeah, sure they would! They’d rather have burned the place down than give it to their hated rivals, trust me. So, with due respect for yourself, please don’t insist that Moxey “had no choice” -yes he most certainly DID. He sold us down the river and, in the process, not only demonstrated poor judgement, but a total lack of empathy with Wolves fans, too. Events since that black day only confirm that he’s out of touch with the average fan. Actually, the whole club is -which is one reason why our fans are at each others’ throats on a regular basis. However, fans can vehemently disagree yet still be civil at the same time, though. Dignity is a choice, after all.
135 (Streako) – Thank you. Your kind apology is accepted, my friend, so we’ll put it behind us. We may not see eye to eye on every issue (who the hell does?) but, like you, I’m very dissatisfied with several issues down at Molineux, just now. I’ve never been a so-called ‘happy clapper’ and I’m not one of Mick’s so-called ‘numpties’, either. I’m just a fan who sits on the fence for the most part, calling it as I see it, whether good or bad. So, I’ve no axe to grind with anyone -I just post my feelings. I agree with your view about the fans’ parliament. It’s a complete waste of time, mate. Hand-picked individuals indeed.
There’s not much to be happy about right now, though, so it’s good that fans can let off steam via these columns.
Gotta be healthy, even if watching Mick’s Wolves aint ;-)
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Kentish Wolf
Gerald Ratner was a self made millionaire but he made the mistake of treating his customers with contempt which wiped £500m off his companys value and ultimately resulted in his firm disappearing from the high street.
If Jez Moxey was a savvy businessman then he would not be slagging off fans or be driving them away from the club by charging them premium rate phone lines and unjustifiable booking fees to order tickets. They may be able to get away with this when demand exceeded supply but “NEWSFLASH: Times are hard JEZ!”
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no142 What rubbish.The fans are the lifeblood of the football club.Poor management blaming the customers for poor results.You couldn’t make it up.I have been at the same bank for over 50 years.,bank managers have come and gone{and got rich in the process}.The bank
failed :is that the fault of the customers
NO144 Kentish, A successful football club needs to develop ,buy and sell footballers. Successful clubs do that well,by and large we don’t.Moxey as Chief Executive must take some responsibility for that.He is not a football man,we badly need an experienced football man on our board to offer a balance to Moxey’s commercial approach.
no147 Ye olde South Bank.You did warn us it would be long.How about a sequel to War and Peace next time.
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its good to see the gelled back hair in the picture.
Actions speak louder than words.
You didnt secure investment for the team this year – or indeed under Dave Jones.
Im not being fickle, i havent liked you for years!
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Chris Hoggard – I totally agree with your reply to my 144 post, what i don’t agree with is that so many posters seem to think Moxey needs to be replaced by a football man, i don’t think he should be. Moxey is a good money man. John Richards, absolute legend on the pitch, but a very poor CEO.
You said the word “balance”….. that is the most imortant word in all of this & everybody, the club & the fans need to appreciate it.
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149 – Had our beloved club made the right decision, we could all have avoided the inevitable ‘War’ that followed and instead allowed ‘Peace’ to reign.
So, as it happens, you HAVE just read the sequel, Chris, lol ;-)
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149 – Had Moxey taken the sensible option, we could all have avoided the ‘War’ that followed and instead allowed ‘Peace’ to reign -ergo, I wouldn’t have found need to type the above novella, lol.
Therein lies the -admittedly, exceedingly brief- sequel you requested, Chris ;-)
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As an outsider looking in I will respond on my view on some of the points mentioned.
1) Wolves as a fanbase are very loyal alot of them have seen the very very lowest and highest ebs of english football and in this part of the problem resides. Some of the fans think that progress has been made since the bhatti brothers and that this is a pinacle while some fans namely younger ones have only seen success and rapid progress and assume this progress should be carried on. My friend is one of these sorts of fans and will blindly moan about mcarthy saying how useless he is how you club should be progressing at a much quicker rate. In my mind this is stupid look at the progress you have made look how far you have come since you could barely muster a team not even 6 years ago. From an outsider I feel while progress is needed some of your fans are forgetting that progress can only come if all partys want to go in the same direction
2) The “South Bank” thing is still one of the biggest mistakes any CEO has ever made, he sold the heart of your support down the river and I will admit that if it was my club I couldnt stand you lot or the vile being in our main stad, it hurts and for some fans it is probably something which wont be forgotten. Mainly because wins and losses can be forgotten and overidden, but the fact that the team you obsessively hate were in your area your stand is unforegiveable
3) The money moaning I just dont get, I will never understand wolves fans moaning about money, for god sake as a club you have seen the best and worse of money issues. In the mid 80s you had none not a pot to go wee wee in but through weeling and deeling and ultimately buying the best of unknown talent ie steve bull your forced your way up the leagues 10 years later you spent money willy nilly were top spenders in what is now in the championship for a good few years and went nowhere until again you were cash strapped started rooting round for the best young talent and got promoted and are currently in your third year in the prem in a stable condition adding premier league players every year without ever over exerting yourselves, lets be honest ten years ago you would of only dreamt of that
4)Finally with Mick Ive got to admit I think hes taken you far enough, theres no excitement about wolves while i still feel he is making progress it become tinged with a negative approach of ill take what ive got never gambling at any point never being brave. At no point from what ive seen this season havve i thought that at a draw you are going for the win even at home. The only point with which youve gone for it is when al seems lost against swansea. And thats not the attitude of a manager fighting to stay in the league thats the attitude of a manager scared of going down
But then what do I know Im just an outsider
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154 – An excellent post, sometimes it’s easier to see the bigger picture from a few steps back !
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154: How dare you come post on this site with well thought out and reasoned arguments! It’ll never catch on ya know!
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firstly thank you ye olde south bank for accepting the apology
now to matters in hand aka kentish wolf
lets get a few things straight about stevemorgan who by the look of it you love as the messiah :
he buys wolves for a tenner on thee proviso he invests £30 million
ask your self has he ?
he invest a little in the team (birdseed)
he then rakes in the profit of wolves stopping up over 2seasons
he then decides to spend a little building a new stand whoopeeee !
he then decides to state we will build a new state of the art training ground complex plus we will build 40 new multi milion pound houses/flats onhat we can sell at a great proffit
he keeps his mouth shut completely when things get bad
remember at blackburn when he gave that rousing speach ON THE PITCH about staying up and INVESTING IN THE TEAM ? NOT THE GROUND !
he buys a piece of land on the waterloo rd knocks the car park down and leaves itas k yourself WHY ?
ASK YOURSELF WHY KENTISH WOLF TO ALL THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR BELOVED CHAIRMAN AND HIS SIDE KICKS AND IF YOU CANT SEE THE ANSWER THEN YOU AND TE OTHER HAPPY CLAPPERS ARE MORE DELUDED THAN I FIRST THOUGHT
MORGAN OUT MOXEY OUT MCARTHY OUT !
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KENTISH WOLF HOW AM I A DISGRACE IT IS YOU THAT I BLINKERED, I OWN MY OWN BUSINES ANDKNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS BEHIND MORGAN OWNERSHIP OF OUR GREAT CLUB, IT IS DELUDED INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOU,SUE,GRACE AND THE OTHER HAPPY CLAPPERS THAT JUST SEE WOLVES IN ONE ASPECT GET A GIP ON REALITY MATE THE WOLVES UNDER THIS LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT ARE DOOMED REMEMBER THIS COME MAY 2012 DONT SAY I DIDNT WARN YOU
3 M’S OUT !
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Grace-ain’t a woman got that wrong didn’t I!
157-streako-i’m upset no mention of me in this post….
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Moxey is right too many fans think that we should be in the top 10 all the time. It is usually the fair weather fans who didn’t go to the depths and then back again just!but the ones that remained are the true fans of which I am one.
UTW
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He is right. Look at the swansea game. MM makes a double substitution and the MAJORITY of the crowd start to boo and yell as if Lee Hughes had just walked on the pitch.
We score 2 goals to pull the game back to 2-2 then the south bank starts singing your not singing anymore at the swansea fans! I couldnt stop laughing, for the rest of the game the only time any wolves fans made any noise was to boo roger johnson or berate MM.
That is fickle defined.
What happened to the days of supporting the team? We were 6-0 down at home to Southampton in 2007 and the South Bank were still singing MM name.
Comical it is!
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Let’s put the south Bank/WBA issue to bed:
Moxey DIDN’T have a choice.
HOWEVER, he should have appeared – right from the outset – to be fightimg tooth and nail to prevent it.
He could have given the impression of grudgingly giving in when the FA threatened to hand the game to Albion unless we comply with the rules.
He didn’t do that because he didn’t appreciate just what the SB means to the fans.
And that’s because he can’t see beyond the dollar signs in front of his eyes!
Good money man he might be but he desperately needs someone to manage his PR.
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Streako, if, as you claim, you do own your own business, then you’ll understand the importance of building said company on strong foundations. You’ll understand the need to put some of your profits aside each year just incase you have a period of poor trading. You’ll also understand the principle behind balance sheets (which Morgan’s £30 million sits on, strengthening the clubs position) and fixed assets, the more value there are in fixed assets, in the clubs case, the stadium & training complex, the stronger the club is in it’s foundations.
I noticed you decided/forgot to answer my question, maybe you’d just like to enlighten us what sort of ownership model you want Wolves to operate under ?
The new stand was always about more than just a few extra seats, if you’d bothered to actually read & listen to what the club were saying, as opposed to getting all bitter and twisted in your various conspiracy theories, you’d probably understand it
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