‘Our fans are fantastic’ – sorry have to correct you. Most of our fans are fantastic, the rest are idiots spending the majority of their time sprouting negativity and discourse throughout the team. I’m expecting a barrage of these type of comments below. Unity and support is the only way we will grow as a club and a team.

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Karl, as one of our own we want you to succeed, we want to be chanting your name week in week out.. but want we dont want is you playing safe week after week and not using the talent you have.

Use your run into the box against Wigan as a starting point and improve on this, i dont want you running back to our defenders collect a 5 yard pass and give it him straight back and put him under pressure, what i dont want to see is you standing in space when opposition midfielders run past you and leave you for dead and you hold your hands up saying not my fault.

Be aware of the space around you and use it to our advantage, to many times you get the ball and because you dont realise the time you have you make silly decisions.. get the simple things right and you will be loved again as you do have the talent !!

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People just want to see him be more positive on the ball, he has done that the last few games, proven he has the ability and created a goal.

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Karl, pick up on where you left off against Wigan and the fans will be right behind you.

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Make a few more forward runs with the ball like you did to get into the penalty area against wigan and then everyone will be behind you. Lets build on the win against wigan and push forward with every opportunity.

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I think most the stadium cheered that day! Not because of Henry’s lack of form, but because MM took off one of his favourites for the 1st time in a very long time! I’m sorry, but if players are out of form, changes need to be made. The same game, Ohara needed to be taken off too….. Both could not pass 5 yards! MM could of helped matters by playing players on merit rather than favourites. After this event Henry’s form has picked up again and is one of our best players with ward. Hopefully the win will kick start our season!

C’mon the wolves!

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Fully appreciating the brilliant situation we are in – third year in the Premiership and back from almost extinction not that long ago!

Most fans will settle for a team that works hard, battles and fights for everything and fails gloriously. Its when we spend lots of time either going sideways and backwards – or worse still banging the ball forward almost aimlessly that fans become unsettled and restless.

For me the way forward is to work even harder – battle more and earn the right to play with the wingers and counter attacking we would love to see again.

One suggestion to the 3M’s – instead of a holding mid-fielder which does not seem to support our back four, why would we not look at trying to play with a sweeper behind the back four to plug the holes that we seem to have??

UTW

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I am sorry Karl in my mind no player should be booed, jeered or sarcastically clapped regardless and I am not surprised with how you felt.

At times like this the players need to hear, no matter what, that the fans are behind them. But on the whole it is only a minority of fans that have taken up to doing this and all fans are being tarred with the same brush.

Come on get behind the players.

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this loud minority come alive when they have an opportunity to be critical of others. Look closely at them,they will be failures in life!

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Will the players ever learn? As stated many times here and before. The ironic cheers were aimed at McCarthy for daring to substitute one of his favourites. Definitely not at Henry. It was so obvious. And on the point of McCarthy’s team selections, Wolves have 8 ever presents this season, more than any other Premiership club. We must be doing well.
And finally regarding the masterstroke substitutions against Swansea. If the right team was picked in the first place then perhaps those substitutions may not have been necessary.

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I love Karl Henry, and it hurts me that he was inevitably is so upset by it.

Part of this whole attitude from some fans is that as Moxey stated, we were looking to establish ourselves as a team fighting nearer to 10th. For a team in its 3rd season in the prem, it was devastating to see our midfield totally outplayed by a newly promoted team. Expectation has / had increased. Part of the problem is that midfielders at this level need to be multi-talented in attack & defence. Fans are starting to accept its gonna be a relegation battle again.

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staffsWOLF suggestion of a sweeper behind the back four would appear to be a good one. If you watch playbacks of the goals which we let in, many could have been prevented by the use of a sweeper. How many times have we seen runners coming from deep to latch onto a through ball beyond our back four and not being tracked by the midfielders. The use of a sweeper would help prevent this. The added benefit of a sweeper is that he can see how the back four are setting themselves up ahead of him and can shout out instructions if they are being pulled out of position, such as fullbacks moving too far towards the preserve of the centrebacks thus giving the wingers too much room. The use of a sweeper was very prevalent in the top Italian sides of the 70s and although I would not want Wolves to go back to the ultra cautious tactics adopted by many of those teams, a sweeper in the current Wolves team should reduce the goals against total.

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I’m fed up with hearing from those who booed constantly trying to justify what they did and why they did it. I will never join their ranks. I want no part of them. Their negativity will finish our season if we allow them.

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Geneva Wolf
And booing/jeering our own team always ends in a positive result doesnt it??? You’re a disgrace and we don’t need your sort at Wolves. Jog on! Henry does a decent job and I for one think the numpties should stay off his back. UTW

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Have to agree with 10. This was incorrectly reported at the time but is now old news.

Now Karl Henry is pressed to comment on it, long after the event, and a couple of sentences makes a headline.

And all of a sudden, some of the stupid sniping between supporters, which we were all enjoying some respite from following the Wigan game, is alive and kicking again.

Call me a cynic, but I think this is a case of ‘Its a slow news day, lets try and cook up a story and some comment’.

Leave it alone and move on please. It’s getting boring.

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Can’t believe this story is still doing the rounds

Let’s deal with the facts
1- No fans booed it was ironic cheers that Mick had substituted one of his favourite and first name on the team sheet

2- Why did Mick not take him off at half time? He knew what the reaction would be and in my opinion Mick hung Henry out to dry when he took him off.

Nobody wants us to be playing bad but on the same token who wants Championship for another 19 years!

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He simply needs to stop listening to TC and MM and do a lot more of what he did against Wigan.

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I did cheer and will continue to cheer….this is not about being real fans or loyalty, Karl is not performing end of. So what do we do at work when people dont perform? Do we wait and wait until they get better. Does Fergy wait……no. Wake up and smell the coffee, yes you did well for us over the years but now these 5 yard passes left right and back, is tiresome and we lose any strategic penetration as a result. If you dont like the heat stay out the kitchen

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Karl don’t take it to heart! fans like players aren’t perfect all the time. We get so dissappointed when you and the rest of the team are not performing and that’s when you get the boos. Did any of you hear us booing Sunday? No way because we won! Win we always cheer and loose we sometimes boo. Thats life!

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I think Mick has dropped a clanger here.

I wouldn’t be to pleased if I was stripped of my captaincy to a new bloke after winning the Championship and successfully fighting to keep us up in the Prem two years on the bounce.

Henry epitimises Wolves, he’s from Ashmore Park a lifelong Wolves fan and should still be our Captain.

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With Karl Henry in the team, Wolves have been playing with 10 men for a long time. The frustration was aimed at McCarthy not Henry during that Swansea game because Karl Henry walks into the Wolves team and play 90 mins regardless of form.
Henry at his best closes players down, tackles, and lays the ball off. He hasn’t been doing for for ages. Midfielders in the premier league should offer more than that anyway, but Henry hasn’t been doing ANYTHING for a long time. He hasn’t scored a goal for years, that is shocking for a midfielder!

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Karl is important player for us. He plays to a similar role that ‘Dietmar Hamann’ played for Liverpool. He’s was key for Liverpool when they played well and was not always credited for his work. Well done Karl! keep up the good Work!

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1 you are spot on going to molineux is starting to become a chor.. not because of the team but because of the idiotic fans who prey on mistakes and seem to be there to see us fail. I always seem to be sat near one of these and it just ruins the game, also its always someone in there 40′s/50′s don’t know why this is. get behind the team if a mistake is made don’t get on their backs because negativity breeds negativity not hard. /\_/\

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glad to see karl henry getting the support he deserves.. But we cant expect him to do “wigan runs” every week..karl HAS to pass sideways and backwards sometimes..thats how football works..you have to pick your moment to pass forward and the timng accuracy and movement have to be right..not to mention the disposition and efforts of the opposition..its much harder than it looks!! Check out a similar run from Mike Bailey against Arsenal..1972 i think..its on “The Tube”…he plays a devastating pass across the box for kenny hibbitt or jimmy mac i think to fire in..bailey was similarly underrated by some fans including me until my brother a sports coach explained what he was doing..part of my footie education!! Its about how teams move and work TOGETHER not what formation they play..

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Nice to see so many people on here giving Karl a pat on the back,shame there’s a few who don’t, we all know who they are! In my view he’s been a fantastic signing by Mick and he and Ward have both showed great character to shut some of the boo boys up.I know some will say that the booing wasn’t aimed at Karl maybe not by some but a few were booing him, I know because some round me were.

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38 – please be careful, if there was any more irony in your post it would melt the internet.

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The large majority of people who were found sarcastically cheering the substitution of one Kelvin Henry in the Newcastle game was the result of literally YEARS worth of frustration at the misguided relationship between the manager and his golden boy former captain.

Fact is that Henry from day one has been granted this baffling immunity by Mick that sees him in the team week in week out regardless of performance, production and ability.

We have seen better more able midfielders, and before you start that includes people that are more than capable of playing this mythical ‘Henry holding role’ fall by the wayside whilst Karl continued to steal a place in the starting eleven and often has been more of a hindrance to our attacking play than he is to the other teams.

Even now, in the current squad their are at least 4 players better suited to the demands of this level of football, who continue to bench warm whilst Henry is given unlimited time to produce, fair does against Wigan he finally contributed something of note, and at this point the media and McCarthy jump on the bandwagon and tell us ‘we told you so’… well no, it doesnt prove anything, one decent outing in every 50 is far from earning your keep and justifying your continued selection.

It is also mind numbing to continually hear the references about Henry being ‘one of us’ Wolves through and through. His half hearted lacklustre anonymous performances in the gold n black would suggest otherwise. He is the first person to go missing in the derby matches, the very games that matter most to the true Wolves fans, which would explain why growing up Henry was an avid follower of Blackburn Rovers! funnily enough whilst they were winning the Premier League in it’s embryonic stages.

One final note which is enough to make most Wolves fans cringe, is the immediate support and protection that the manager gave to Henry after the Newcastle game, wrapping him in cotton wool and putting his own reputation on the line to preserve the feelings of Karl Henry, perhaps Mick should show a little consistency across the entire squad… E.g perhaps he should consider the feelings of players such as Nenad Milijas and Adam Hammill and the negative effect it may have on their morale not only that they have to play second fiddle to the less able Henry but that they are given a chance every blue moon in which they perform and are then cast back aside come the following week, yet where is Mick’s outcry to protect their feelings.

Fact is that any supporters reaction is intertwined with the over inflated admission fee. If you paid your money for a concert or comedy show you would expect to be entertained, it is the same principle in a football arena, although the more realistic members of the audience wouldnt expect such dizzy heights as to be entertained at Molineux, we still expect something in return, even if it just 90 minutes of effort and endeavour, we did not get this from Henry against Newcastle, and have not seen it from him in the weeks before and afterwards, hence the verbal onslaught which was more than justified.

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Anyone else fed up hearing this dross about being a ‘real’ supporter.

Technically you are saying a ‘real’ supporter should pay through the nose and then sit there, shut up and accept whatever drivvle is being produced without any question or comment.

Sounds to me like narrow minded, happy clappers who are just happy to be out the house.

A ‘real’ supporter understands when ther are being conned and taken for a ride by a Chief exec and a board which conntinues to take take take without anything coming the other way.

I wonder if we’ll get 40,000 ‘real’ supporters who will mindlessly sit down and be spoon fed Championship football whilst their money is being poured pointlessly into the stadium for Morgan’s own benefit rather than into improvement of the over achieving championship at best squad we have at the moment.

3 points against a miserably poor Wigan side and you think your misguided loyalty has paid off?? Return to the boards after the next two games and you’ll see how much you are being made fools of and how blidn you really are to what is unfolding in front of your very eyes.

Mugs

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good grief one decent game against wigan and you think he is the next iniesta big him up when he plays 10 decent games in a row passes forwards and scores/sets up goals

mcarthy out and morgan u r a disgrace

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fao ‘real supporter post 55 :

AT LAST A DECENT COMMENT AND NOT A BLINKERED VIEW ON WOLVES.fAIR PLAY TO YOU SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY SEE’S WHAT WOLVES AS A CLUB HAS BECOME A BANG ON POST FELLA NICE 1

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Well said Realist, I totally agree with your views.

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53..Well said…..and a Rovers fan to boot!
Oh dear, and a touch sensitive it would appear along with his team mates.Over paid hoofers !

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54 – Yes, I get fed up of hearing about ‘real’ supporters, too, bud.

What constitutes a ‘real’ supporter is subject to personal interpretation only -but that salient point frequently gets lost on some, I feel. It’s all wholly subjective because there’s no Oxford English Dictionary definition available.

Being a ‘real’ supporter can mean many things: sometimes being a so-called ‘happy clapper’ at times of crisis. Sometimes it means letting rip; even demonstrating if there need be -think of the Bhatti era, for example.

Sometimes it means just chanting a few home truths about the performance. Sometimes it means calling for a manager’s head. What provokes these responses is many and varied -and they will never universally agreed upon, either.

Being a ‘real’ fan, to some, means possessing a Season Ticket. To others, it’s the occasional, affordable game as dictated by low income exacerbated by the high cost of living. To yet others still, it’s never being able to attend a game due to unemployment, sickness or disability -or simply because of one’s location in the world.

A ‘real’ fan may be the excited child attending their very first game, yet he could also be the despised glory-hunter: the Johnny-come-lately’s who’s only interest is in seeing Premier League stars. He may not have been there -or even cared tuppence- during the depressing 1980′s, but his season ticket entitles him, as befits his cash outlay, to refer to himself as a ‘real’ fan. Or so he thinks.

A ‘real’ fan could be those who adorn their bedroom walls with every Wolves photo, framed picture or magazine article collected. They may have Gold & Black quilts on there beds, too…or maybe a club clock on the mantelpiece. The ‘real’ fan may be one who memorises every possible stat about the club, right back to the late 1800′s. Alternatively, he may be the one walking around the city centre in that brand-new Wolves shirt. Or he may be the one with club tattoos proudly displayed on his arms.

So, what’s my take on things?

Expressing your ‘support’ comes in many different flavours -some palatable, some most definitely not. It’s all in the eye of the beholder. There are no set rules, as I’ve already said. Accordingly, I have to beg to differ with Realist’s assertion (Post 56) that “The clue is in the name – supporters support. It’s as simple as that”. Oh, if only it WERE that simple! As I outlined previously, ‘support’ is manifestly varied from person to person. Well, after 40+ years of following my beloved club, that’s how it seems to me, at any rate.

Nobody should assume that there’s only one way -THEIR WAY- of defining a supporter. We come in all different shapes and sizes, and from different backgrounds and all corners of society. There AINT no standard fan or ‘real’ supporter. You won’t get perfect harmony at Molineux no matter how hard some folks complain. The crowd is made up of people -not pre-programmed robots or androids- and will, inevitably, react accordingly because it’s part of our human condition. If certain fans can’t accept that, then maybe it’s THEM -not the dissenters- who are attending the wrong sport.

You know, Crown Green Bowling is renowned for its genteel atmosphere and exchanged pleasantries, I hear, if anyone’s interested?

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Looks like the boo boys did you a favour if the Wigan game is anything to go by!!

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55 ‘real’ supporter. You destroy your own argument. As soon as you start to talk about value for money and what players you deserve to be able to watch, then you are talking as a paying customer. Obviously that’s what we are, but if you choose to think like that (as is your right) then you cease to be a supporter.

Mr Morgan and Mr Moxey get my money, and I begrudge the ticket prices, ‘booking fees’, ridiculous refreshments, national rate phone lines etc etc.

Whoever plays in gold and black gets my support – no question.

You should change your name to ‘real customer’.

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I like to see an entertaining game as a wolves supporter with wolves players trying to compete. Lack of substantial funds mean we are also rans rather than contenders and that’s life. But Henry, and Ward before him, went through dark times. Ward came out of it to be one of our best players and hopefully Karl will too. The Wigan game suggests he will. If he reads fans comments then I hope it’s encouraging for him to see how easily it is to win over the supporters with a decent performance. Incidentally one of my personal favourites Guediora was hopeless on Sunday, and sometimes I think there must be masses of factors that affect performances which is why computer football management games are so successful!

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Stoke fans know how to support their team.

That’s right boo and jeer the confidence out of the team and then moan when we loose or look poor … how clever.

Wolves fans are ths lauhing stock of the fans of clubs like Stoke, derby County or Swansea.

UTW

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Dear Karl,
Don’t let the foolish noises from a few fans give you the wrong impression. You deserve our admiration – your run into the box for the goal against Wigan was just an example of what you do for us. You are a role model for other local lads who want to give their all and make it in a premier league team.

Thanks for your hard work and dedication to the team.

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It might sound heartless but get over it Carl.
we had lost 4 games on the trot and you had a few poor games and if mick had bought another defensive midfielder you should have been dropped.
The boos were at you, the team and the manager and you all deserved it in my view.
The way to keep crowds happy is by playing well and getting results. You have picked up your game and played well on sunday and got cheered.

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We all want proper Wolves players. Even if they occasionally have off days. Nobody who was present at Charlton some years ago and who rembers Karl’s amazing late run to score the winner can doubt it.

No proper fan can doubt him.

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my veiws for what they are worth (everybodys entitled to them) are simple!!
when we signed Karl Henry basically Wolves were on their knees after the Hoddle era there was not much more than 20,000 on average watching home games we could just about put a first team together but we battled on & with some very decent signings including Karl Henry we made the play offs the same year, unfortunaltley we wasnt strong enough to beat our “friends” from up the road in the final hurdle to make it to the promised land, but the back bone of a decent team was formed, we soon made it to the promised land with a wonderful season which we all remember and with doing that we attracted more fans weekley to our home games im guessing these are the fans moaning about our current position the 3M’s, Messers Henry Ward & Doyle,and dont really remember the time when mr Hoddle left as they didnt go to the matches for whatever reason, i have never booed a wolves team i have never booed an England team they are my blood and history and im dam proud of them, and will get behind them whatever yes i agree with statements about ticket prices out of form players etc but you dont boo your own,
the away fans must love coming to Molineux when we are having a bad run as our fans heap more pressure on the team they must laugh all the way home.
i can remember being 5 down to Southampton and our fans singing we want 6 and getting behind the team happy days ;)

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Karl Henry along with half of the squad are nothing more than very good Championship/very bottom end Premier League players. It’s a harsh truth.
They are players who struggle to perform at the required level week in week to succeed in this league (and by succeed I mean finishing lower mid-table in yor 3rd season)
It also appears to me that after nearly 2 1/2 seasons these players are not making enough progress to suggest that they will become good, solid, consistant performers at this level anytime soon.
It is absolutely no fault of their own and certainly nothing to be ashamed of, but they really do find it difficult to operate effectivly at this level and struggle at times… we understand this which is why fans keep reiterating, the ironic cheering WAS NOT aimed towards any player.
The fans’ frustrations were born out of the fact that the owner and managment of the club keep telling us of their desire to improve and consolidate in The Premier League. Yet, we as fans see the same old mistakes being made by the same old manager and players week in week out.
Having been lucky the last two seasons and can see our flirt with relegation this time round not turning out quite so happy.
Whether it be Collins & Keogh in the past or Ward & Henry now, the manager appears to dig his heels in and play them regardless of mistakes, ineffectivness and form, he literally shoves them into the firing line. A GOOD manager will know when and where to rest/drop players to get more out of them. I find it odd how over the years Giggs, Rooney, Shearer, Francis, Keegan etc have all been deemed droppable by their respective managers and came back better players for it, yet Henry is not.
Yes, for sure as MM often reminds us, his players are young/trying to learn/put a shift in/great bunch of lads etc etc, but if indeed the club is to go forward then this alone is and will never be good enough.
The manager has been given substantial funds over the last 2 years, way more than most teams around us, but his absolute refusal to replace his favourites and take this club forward is where my personal discrepancies lie, he must take full responsibility.
As long as he is here being blinded by loyalty, placing eternal faith on the shoulders of substandard players and being unable to manage big time players I fear regression and not progression and the fans will forever be split.

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Erm…I’m not actually a football fan, full stop. Is that why I have difficulty in understanding a remark in one of the first few posts which says

“without the ball he is our best player” ?

Guess without the ball, I could be the best player as well.

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Totally agree with Telford wolf on this one. Henry is not my favourite player, but he is the only one who can at least win the ball back…but that’s where it all ends. Once he has the ball, he just makes “safe” passes within 5 yards and we don’t go anywhere, well normally back to Hennesey and then he has to “hoof” it staright back out under pressure. That run he did aginst Wigan was fantastic and resulted in a goal…let’s see more of that Karl please…!!

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