Down The Pub! But again the powers at be will get it wrong. They will say that banning football in pubs will bring the crowds back but it wont because people just cant afford it. They cant afford it. Reducing prices Moxey is the only way to get them back.

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£1380 for 1 adult and my 2 kids in the steve bull upper even though my 17 year old is a student(no discount on students for season tickets) is crazy.

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lets face it, no Premier league club survives on gate money and it must amoun to a small fraction of their income. Why not charge £5 for kids and fill the bottom half of the Steve Bull with our future fans. £25 max for adults and you’ll not only sell out but create a better atmospehre. Come on Moxey it not hard is it. You would lose what £10/£15 per ticket but gain so much more. Your building a massive stadium for the future but wont have any fans left to fill it. Plus with a manager whos only ambition is to avoid the Europa, and ‘survive’ why should we bother turning up for anything other than the love of Wolves??

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I think the reasons are the lack of goals we score at the molineux, our football is not geared up to score goals,every one can see that we only have to lose two on the trot and our goal difference is minus!!! and there is also the charge for a card even a debit card when used to purchase tickets. Alan

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I went to every league game last season and it cost me a small fortune and had to make personal sacrifices. Of the away games this season, Blackburn’s ticket price was reasonable, Villa’s a disgrace – as it was on Sky plus home fans were charged from £25 and Liverpool have had a major hike in ticket prices. £40 to sit in the Smethwick aka the pigstye is a joke and we have the ludicrous prices that the likes of QPR and Chelsea charge, yet to come. Furthermore, the club charges a £1.50 booking fee on every transaction. For the Millwall game, we charged adults £15 and Villa charged a fiver. I think that answers your question, Pie n a Pint Moxey?
Personally I reckon Wolves get decent followings both home and away and other clubs are suffering much more!

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I have been a season ticket holder for the last 31 years, thats over 3/4 of my life. I live in Wolverhampton and most of my mates are Wolves fans or fans of other Midlands clubs. I talk to loads of people in pubs, through business and at the matches.
I believe I have a truer reflection on the feelings of Wolves fans than Mr. Moxey does from his directors box.
This recent fall in attenances is not an overnight revelation, the REAL fans have been walking away for several years now. I’d say only 10% of the ST holders I have known over the last 15 years still buy one.
The overwhealming issue without a doubt is price. It’s no good Jez saying we offer value and compare well with other clubs, if you ain’t selling the tickets there is something wrong. Wolves are a proper club with proper fans, proper fans who are now saying ‘enough is enough’.
We are not a fasionable marquee club who are going to pick up glory hunters or tourist fans, WE ARE WOLVES and I’m afraid the club has alienated quite a bit of it’s captive audience which are not being replaced.
Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton etc. realised they had similar problems several years ago and stepped in immediately to address them buy REDUCING the prices.
The next biggest reason people are being put off their club are the booking fees and the general feeling of being ripped off at every turn. I own and operated a credit card machine and are fully aware of the charges incurred and what Wolves charge is pure extorsion.
Couple that with high rate phone numbers, yearly shirt changes, the most expensive food and beer in Wolverhampton, Cat A prices for games like Newcastle, club shop discount for ST holders replaced by complicated scheme designed to make the club money. There the problems lie.
Even with all of the above taken into consideration, the product on offer is not very appealing, I ask you, how many games since we have been in The Premier League have been value for money?
The manager and his often questionable ability at this level keeps reminding us that survival is the sole aim, no cups, no Europe, just SURVIVE, and this having spent millions on VERY LITTLE quality. We really should be carefully and steadily improving with quality players andresults to show, time will tell but the vast majority of fans won’t or reluctantly now pay to watch a team of 7-8 (honest)Championship players struggle to punch above their weight week in week out.

Overall, and it’s not just Wolves, but football in general has priced out and turned it’s back on the fan and it’s only now that the clubs pocket is being hit that questions are raised.
I suggest the club, and others, get their heads out of the sand and DO SOMETHING DRASTIC NOW, because it’s only going to get worse.

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3-People will pay that, the ground will be 90% full if the club dont get the advertising wrong again. They only started selling the tickets for QPR a week before.

6- Because they are still a business. droping £10 off 6,000 tickets is £60,000. Everyone complains about not signing 20mil worth of players, but wont contribute. Wolves will continue to sell out this season.

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I went to the Villa game £43 for a totally forgettable game along with the travel cost I could have sat in my local and spent half that and felt better cos I had a few beers Jez I have got time for you as an exec but you’ve got this wrong

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we’ll the new stadium is being built, and we can’t stand in the way of progress….

i think jez needs to be more clever with marketting…

your average season ticket holder/die hard fan make up a small percentage of the attendees….

so we need more advertising…more special offers…(i.e like 2~1 offer for council employees last season)…

also we need to go back to the old way of paying in on the turnstile….to much supporter no’ fiasco’ puts peeps off..imagine the scenario…it’s a nice day, you fancy doing something…you’ve just got paid….i know i’ll go too the footy!!!! oh wait im not sure whether you can pay on the door….erm what was my supporter no’ again??!!!…

be more …cleverer jez!!!!!!!…

i think you will do it..but it def is a bad patch for the whole country and you will have to adapt you marketing strategy to suite goodluk…utws!

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I fear for the next generation of Wolves fans. The younger generation are simply not bothered about Wolves anymore and the cost of tickets isn’t helping. Driving through Hurst Hill Sedgley recently there was a group of youngsters playing football not one had a Wolves Shirts on, it was all Chelsea and Man Utd. The same scene is being played out all over the Black Country in Bilston, Coseley, Gornal, Tipton etc. I think of myself as lucky that I am able to afford my season ticket but even then I am restricted to taking my daughter to cup games on the basis of costs. Wolves need to realise that getting young fans hooked is getting them to Molineux in the first place and making it affordable for them and their parents to do so. Come on Wolves please listen to the fans for once before it is too late!!!!

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Well, as I’ve posted before, some of us “oldies” who live elsewhere in the country and have to add on petrol costs, etc. have had to re-examine our finances in these difficult times. In my case, health was another factor, so I guess I’m “natural wasteage” – there should perhaps be someone else waiting to take my place. I’d like to think, if I still lived in Wednesfield that I’d continue to attend, somehow. It would then be costing £40 – £50 (fuel/eats, etc.) less per game than it would now. I have to add, however, that if you journey for hours and pay heaven knows what for the privilege, you hope for a worthwhile “product” at the end. Travel to a cinema, theatre or a “gig” of some sort, you are more assured of what you are going to get for your money. That hasn’t always been the case at the Mol. Don’t get me wrong, my unswerving support goes back to 1951, so I’ve been there through thick and thin with everyone else – and will continue to do so.

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Expense, lack of ambition by the club not strengthening the side and not scoring goals, but the club will always look for different reasons.

A manager who is tactically inept.

Man Utd, can always fill their stadium, even though all games are shown on TV, and no I am not comparing us to them, just stating a fact

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@ “and will continue to do so” – I should have added: though not necessarily in person, but definitely in spirit.

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During times of hardship leisure is often the first thing folks cut back on and more often than not the question of choice is irrelevant, the cash is simply not available.

Whilst one must admire and applaud the manner in which the executive at Wolves are running a ‘Tight Ship’. The product on offer is hardly conducive to keeping those who can find the funds from buying it.

I find it a bit rich that in moaning about the product being available at an affordable price in local pubs, English clubs including Wolves have already been paid for those screenings. It is SKY who are making it possible by their overseas sales to foreign TV companies, for which the EPL clubs are receiving a good share.

If everyone of those gathered around the TV in all the pubs around the area were to attend the next home game they would only make up a fraction of those who are shunning the current ‘Shoddy’ product and those who are simply priced out of attending.

Taking into consideration the economic situation the forward planning and behaviour at the club leaves at lot to be desired, exorbitant pricing across the board, extremely poor PR promising players they had no intention of buying and senior management slagging off Customers who dare to criticise, not really a recipe for a full house is it ? Customers, the audience, are not stupid and do appreciate that they are being offered a ‘Cheapo’ cut priced product for top cash.

Apart from the building development, the club needs some clever forward thinking policies, top quality management, especially quality coaching staff and most of all a winning exciting team who put Bums on Seats.

Any idiot can can put a pound on a pie and a pint, it takes real class to give the product substance and durability

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I’m a season ticket holder, don’t think at the moment it’s too bad £350 for a season is reasonable but if I had young kids I couldn’t afford to take them, it worries me when I look around and see that it’s mostly middle age people who are there, we must encourage the next generation of supporters,
I also look around and see most kids in United and Liverpool tops it saddens me!

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crockett48 – A couple of things. The clubs were paid for the matches to be screened abroad, theres a reason why no clubs alowed sky to air matches between 3 and 5 on a saturday and that was so it wouldnt affect attendances, they are quite right to be complaining about the pubs screening it, as Im sure if they would ever agree to the screening of matches in the UK, they would want allot more money to make up for loss of ticket sales. Im sure this will result in a hefty hike in prices for the foreign broadcasters during their next contract negotiations.

Also, when has anyone at Wolves in this current Regime prommised us players. They have a policy of not talking about out transfer business so of course they dont.

Theres allot of people strapped for cash at the moment which no doubt doesnt help. Then people have the choice of watching it in the pub or going to watch it at the Mol, So its obvious allot of people have switch to the pub to save a fair bit of cash. It really is as simple as that. People claiming its the football being played are talking crap, were playing just as well as last year if not better, and we managed to keep our attendances up last year.

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BOGOFF! No I don’t mean you should all ‘go away’ but why doesn’t the club try the supermarket gimmick of Buy One Get One Free occasionally?
At todays prices, as many of you before me are saying, football is just too expensive and that’s the main reason why fans and families in particular don’t go to games.
TV football is not totally to blame as Jez Moxey would have us believe although it does make us think twice about going out and braving the bad weather when you could be nice and warm by the fireside with a nice 4 pack and still have money left in your pocket.
Its not the same I know – but much cheaper!
Football is living beyond its means. Players are paid more in a week than most of us earn in a year.
Many clubs are spending way beyond their income and who in the end has to pay? – Of course the fans!
Sorry Jez but Wolves like many other clubs will not get full houses at todays entrance prices other than those top games where fans will save their money to see the Rooneys, Gerrards and Doyles!!!
So BOGOFF Jez, it just may be the answer?

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When I first had a season ticket just before 1990 it was less than £100 now 20 years later, we are talking over 4 times the amont to watch a match.. back in 1990 a pint of lager was about 95p, that has gone up about 250 percent now.. If a season ticket had gone up the same, we would be paying about £250 maybe a bit more. Yes we are in the premier league now, but with modern technology, there is no insentive to watch a match live. When in truth supporters are being ripped off. It is about time, Wolves allowed supporters in for free or less at matches like the league cup at least. So that the young supporters get a chance to watch matches.. When I was 16 I could watch the match for less than £5, which did not seem so bad then.. I just don’t know how children can afford to go these days..

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@31 – Good on you, sherlock. Have a good season, too (one place behind us, mind!).

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I thought it was only me who realised ages ago that Wolves have lost that certain ‘connection’ with their fans. Obviously not.

The Molineux mega-bucks earners may be cosily insulated from the harsh realities of bankrupt Britain, but working class Wolvo certainly aint -or hadn’t our pampered heirarchy noticed? It seems too much cash also insulates such people from possessing common sense.

When it comes to paying bills and keeping a roof over your head, many true fans are simply going to say ‘no’ to rip-off professional football, and who can blame them? It’s all about getting your priorities right in life, looking after your family and keeping your head above water. Another phrase is ‘good housekeeping’, Jez -so, if popping down their local boozer to take in a game is all a lot of fans can afford, surely you should approve, Jez? After all, you priced them out, mate, and that’s the harsh reality -so get used to it. While the man in the street is cutting costs just to survive, I doubt you’ve so much as trimmed down your regular petrol tanker delivery of hair gel, Jez.

Get all four stands demolished and rebuilt; get the capacity up to the projected 50,000 and charge £10-15 admission. That’ll get you packed houses, Wolves. That said, much as a nice, modern stadium would be, most fans just want success on the field. You could stick a bloody rope around the pitch and still pull a huge crowd if the team -and pricing structure- is right.

The old, crumbling South Bank shed may have long gone, but memories of 25,000 fans packed in there on big, floodlit nights still abide. And they were real fans, Jez, at a time when fans could truly relate to their club. Not so now, I feel.

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I don’t really have a problem with players wages, if the clubs are earning millions and the players are trying to be successfull to help better the club and in turn better their earnings surely they should get a slice of the pie. Look at the film industry a good film can make 100′s of millions so why shouldn’t the actors demand millions per film? I don’t follow golf but i heard the other day some bloke won $11.5 million in one tournament? and poster above said Savage earned £10 million in his entire career. If the money is their they should be entitled to take thier share. I know the problem is we pay for it on the gates this is the issue, but if the gate money doesnt really run the club then why cant they lower the ticket cost? would be nice to see a breakdown of the financies and see where our money really goes!

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Further to the debate, we are now in the third season of Mick’s Premier League campaign and hopefully we will finish higher than in the previous two. For the first, I suspect many fans went along to see teams we had previously only seen on TV. There was novelty value and also we knew we were in for a tough time. It was something we could live with. For the second season, we stuck with it, hoping for better things. Well, we survived by the skin of our teeth – and the novelty was wearing off. We are into the third season, we had a good start followed by two losses including the QPR debacle, and things hopefully will pick up and be better – but as we are all saying, the recession is biting hard. We are taking a long hard look at where our money is going. For some of us, live football attendance is having to take the hit. For others, success on the pitch (a la Stoke) will ensure their attendance – as long as the money holds out. Over to you Jez and Steve. UTW.

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Hi Wolfdhedd,

Clubs had no say as to what time the overseas buyers screened, that clause was never part of their agreement with the foreign franchisee.

I’ve been involved in previous deals with UK and foreign broadcasters who, thirty years ago were receiving live feeds for live transmission from the then first division, the local TV company receiving £10,000 a game, whilst the home club were getting as little as £500.00 for Saturday evening highlights. Let me tell you, as SAF said this week, TV will do as they please. With technology racing ahead this is only the beginning. The Chairmen will not place restrictions on SKY or any other company because they have now become in dire need of the cash. The big successful clubs don’t give a dam as they fill their seats every game and with full houses plus a reported 69 million last season from SKY, No one at Man U gives a dam about a handful of supporters in pubs around Wolverhampton. The Status Quo will remain.

If Moxy want’s to be ‘In The Game’ then he must stop doing it on the cheap and go some way toward competing with the big boys on the field. Actually his old club Stoke are well on the way to doing just that and I predict their TV fund will be a lot more than ours this season.

I’m to old to climb the gates or walls now but it was not that long ago when I had to do just that after a 50,000 lock out at 2.30pm. Those days can now return with the right policies and a big thank you to Sir Jack.

It was said a few months ago that they would do whatever is required to improve the team and that if it meant spending to prevent another nail biting end they would do it. Yes I agree, no names but the inference was clearly there in terms of improving the squad. It was, so far, False Promise of player acquisitions. Sadly the man can’t even play the best he has.

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Why do the majority of people choose to drink and eat outside of the ground ?, the same reason people are choosing to watch games in the pub – IT’S CHEAPER AND THEY DON’T LIKE BEING RIPPED OFF

As a season ticket holder I also feel the club take for granted our continued business. I am a Jack Harris Flank ticket holder and this season for all home games I have been temporarily moved to the worst possible seats available in the Steve Bull upper or lower. You know, those seats at the very far end of the stand which normally are the last to sell. Dead simple, the club gives us the crap seats whilst selling the more desirable centre position seats to “pay as you go” fans. More money to the club, two fingers to the season ticket holders.

Add this to debit card charges, compulsory fees on all season ticket sales, rip off food and drink prices and the club wonder why people are staying away.

The football industry and not just my beloved Wolves, must be the only business organisation that treats it’s most loyal customers with such contempt, believing they will return for more every year. I THINK TIMES ARE A CHANGING

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Cost of tickets yes! Saturdays game is a family day two adults two children £40.00 brilliant idea more of please.

The booking fee should be looked at and it should be per transaction not per ticket. The cost of food and drink at the Molineux is scandalous. Families cannot afford these prices.

Jez if you want bums on seat then do omething about it and reduce these prices.

I am a season ticket holder and used to travel away as well but unfortunately I cannot afford to do this anymore £30-40 per ticket, Travel club prices and food and drink for me on my own for the day your talking £50.60 per day.

Unemployment is rife in Wolverhampton. Some Fans have not had pay rise for a while. It is alright for you Jez you earn a very good wage.

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It seems that everyone is agreed then. The prices are too high and there is no question about that. Would the price be too high of Wolves were currently top of the league and looking like contenders? Probably not. Man Utd prove that by filling 80,000 seats every week. So maybe what we are talking about is value for money. If it is value for money, at what point do we think price and value are in equilibrium? That’s a technical term but I’m sure you get the meaning. Dropping the price doesn’t guarantee the seats are filled so Wolves have some work to do to find out what the price should be. Then again, this isn’t as straight forward as a customer/supplier relationship someone mentioned earlier. People do associate with their club and attendances will change with the fortunes of the team. There are also negative issues that adversely affect the punters’ choice as to whether or not they attend matches. O’Hara parading a brand new £125,000 car for his 23 year old girlfriend must be a real turn off for lots of fans. Me included. There I am driving to matches in a 10 year old Astra and paying top whack to get inside the ground. If the rumours are true that Wolves are offering McFadden £60k per week, then the mind boggles. That’s £3.1 million per year or 5900 of those £528 season tickets mentioned earlier. £60k per week? Most of us would be lucky if we had a job that paid us £60k over 3 years – and that is IF we had a job.

The big danger on the horizon however is that fans finances become more stretched. What happens when money is so tight that the subscriptions to Sky start to drop off? If Sky can’t pay the clubs the enormous amounts they do, then the clubs won’t be able to pay the players’ wages that they do. Everyone becomes a Portsmouth or Leeds. With the exception of the clubs who are funded by Sheiks and Russian oligarchs, most depend on television revenue. Take that away and we could find we have no game – never mind no Wolves! Football has danced with the devil – and the devil is calling all the tunes.

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45.jiwal why don’t you clear off and watch the steptoes at the poorthorns then you really would have something to drip about.

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doggone, Man U are now advertising for season ticket holders. Its not just us who cant afford it.

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JIWAL – Nice to see that you dont even say what was wrong with my post. Whats the point in refering to my comment if your not going to say why. I try and stick to the facts, and base my oppinion on those facts, so everything included in my post was as close to reality as your going to get. I said in the other thread which didnt get through, even though we dont agree on anything, I hope we can both agree that Wolves have had a good season come May.

crockett48 – What i meant was, the deal was agreed with the foreign broadcasters because it obviously doesnt affect ticket sales. It doesnt matter what time the broadcasters air them as it has very little affect on our ticket sales, whereas with sky broadcasting in the UK, broadcasting at 3.00 would have a huge effect on our ticket sales. The pubs arent paying for the right to screen these matches, they are paying for the equipment to receive overseas signals. I think that the clubs have a right to be annoyed at that, as if they wanted the matches live in the UK, they would have just agreed a more profitable deal with Sky.

I think we all was expecting a few more faces, at the very least a loan signing or 2, so I understand where your coming from there. Hopefully we dont regret the decision of not strengthening a little more.

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GeeBeeMU

Firstly its all to do with the sports science of players. If the players are forced to sit then the acid builds up in there body reducing the effect on performance…

Secondly, they may have travelled on Saturday morning and gone to the said hotel in order to rest in order to counteract the first point i made.

I only now occasionally go to the molineux as i cannot afford it however i choose to watch football at Telford United or occasionally Kidderminster where the lads play with as much passion as the boys in the prem… i get a good afternoon out and for a fraction of the price!

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Wolfhedd- 58. yes we do agree that we live in hope we have a good season…although I guess our differing versions of what a good season constitutes would be poles apart. Apologies if I come across a bit harsh, I’m really frustrated and just want the best for all us loyal fans …including yourself…cheers

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As most have said, it is down to price and a fair summary of all that has gone wrong with football. When we just paid a few shillings at the turnstile we could all turn up when we wanted and elt kindred spirits with the players. Now they are paid ludicrous wages while everyone else struggles to make end meets and we are world’s apart and most can’t afford to buy tickets, especially if you want to take your kids.

Answer is simple (but sadly virtually impossible as we are too far gone). Stop paying stupid wages and drop prices back to reality. No other consumer facing business could operate like football in today’s world, maybe football might find out eventually that it can’t forever if it wants to keep fans.

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So our expectations and hopes are not poles apart after all, and I echo your hopes. I will be in the Great Western on Saturday if you fancy a pint :)

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I have been a sesason ticket holder for many years and if people like me are becoming slowly disenchanted with the club then it is hardly surprising we are getting smaller gates. Why is this? Here are my reasons:
1. An owner who hardly ever communicates with the fans.
2. A club that gives the impression it is only interested in screwing as much money out of the fans without investing in the team.
3. No good youth players coming through.
4 The prospect of a dour annual relegation struggle each year with very little chance of success in the cups.
5 An owner who seems more interested in investing in property than players.

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me and my family went up against blackburn last game of the season,all the tickets had sold out apart from the uncovered seating the corner,35 quid each for 4 of us,i have got to admit the seating is terrible to say the least the seats were broken i might as well have sat on the floor.i was going to go and ask for the money back,a joke,wolves have never looked after the fans.i wasnt bothered about the rain or being uncovered but a desent seat for 35 quid wouldnt go a miss

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Nice to see fans getting along and agreeing in this thread =)

Sunderland have brought anyone and everyone and look at them… new faces doesn’t mean success!

I asked in a previouse post if anyone knew what that red thing was in the new stand? surley it can’t be a roof support? have a look on the live webcam. for some reason E&s decided not to post that message on here??

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JIWAL is there a tele in the Great Western? Bathams and bootball sounds good to me.:)

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Stop pricing working class families out of football. It costs far to much to attend football games these days however Wolves are quick to boast that they haven’t increased their ticket prices for several seasons on the other side of that Wolves haven’t responded to the reccession either and given fans a break! The new Molinuex when completed will have far greater seats, We struggle to fill it now! Moxley & Hayward should wake up and smell the coffee, Its perfectly fine for them with their millions in the bank to make such comments as Television has ruined football. They don’t have mortgages to pay and kids to feed. Most Wolves games are not even screened on television (SKY)so I don’t see where they are coming from. The bottom line is, If you wan’t bums on seats drop your ticket prices, More people would then attend games and get behind the team. these people would in turn spend their money on refreshments (And lets not go into the ridiculous prices of those, thats another story) in turn this will increase proffits. Not to mention the fact that with more support their the team might actually play better and finish higher in the premier league resulting in more money for the club! Its about time the club helped out fans during these difficult financial times which many families are struggling through!

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I got offered a champions league ticket at old trafford the other day for £25. I cant see wolves for £25. I also remember when i only had to pay £6.50 for an childs ticket and the average attendance was 27,000. Fair enough we are a premiere league team but unlike like the players and the rest of the wolves bosses, the fans dont earn premiere wages. I went and watched the wolves v qpr and wolves v liverpool game down the pub and spent a grand total of £20 If i had have gone to both games i would have probably spent £120 if not more. Untill price’s are reduced i shall carry on going down the pub. Morgan and Moxey put an adult ticket to £20 and child to £10 or even lower and you will get that new stadium of yours full, otherwise you better make the new seating design impressive because thats what everyone will see! Wolves have a massive fan base and its only your fault that there not going to the games! Think about it lads

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I think there is a deal of commonsense in the posts so far. If Wolverhampton Wanderers wish to increase the “gate” then they have to look at pricing. Clearly an area that has had the bottom pulled out from its economy is not going to be able to produce vast numbers of wealthy people able to afford the kind of prices mentioned.

Perhaps Mr. Moxey should look at differential pricing. Increase the prices of the seats close to the field and reduce those further away. It works in theatres.

I am sure this is probably done to some extent. The comments above say “not nearly enough”.

On the issue of players’ pay I think Wolves are setting an example but that will be hard to enforce as and if they become more successful. To keep players’ pay down requires you languish at the bottom of the league. Move up and your players’ pay increases exponentially. It should not be so. The premiership rules should prevent this. Unfortunately the Premiership is, I believe, controlled by the very people who benefit most from this unfair situation.

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Having just forked out £83 on 2 tickets for our visit to the Hawthorns could i ask a Albion fan to advise what they are paying?

It seems to me that clubs do not want the problem of away fans!

I have been watching Wolves home and away since 1968. I became a season ticket holder in the 70′s then you could go into the North Bank or South Bank and stand wherever you wanted, for around £25 for the season!

Yes, times have changed and the average wage is now £10 per hour (if your lucky)but to most people paying the equivelent of a weeks shopping money to attend a football match is criminal. Clubs only appear to be interested in the corporate client not the real fans anymore. I recall attending an away game at QPR in the early 70,s having made my way by Train and the underground only to find i had lost or had my wallet stolen,(in those days you paid on the gate) finding the players entrance i spoke to John McAlle who without a moments hesitation gave me 2 complimentary tickets for the game. I doubt that would happen today!

In all my years of following Wolves this is the only freebie i have ever had. Even now I am unable to get a response to any emails sent to Wolves with suggestions.

Answers simple Jez, treat fans/Supporters with respect, make the pricing policy clear and fair think about discounts for Students – Servicemen & Ex-Servicemen- Disabled and above all Listen!

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It was 10 euros last night in certain areas at the mestalla which works out to £8. now thats a champions league game against chelsea. ticket pricing in england is becoming a disgrace.

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A topic that has united fans is very rare indeed but one that is being echoed all over the country. There is now a huge gap between players and fans in terms of earning power, attitude and morality. I can remember when a few of the Wolves players used to catch the 58 bus from their digs in Dudley to Wolverhampton on match days. That was in the 70′s, so not all that long ago and when Wolves were a decent top division team. It was an affordable pastime for working class fans, who, like my Dad, used to watch Wolves and Albion home games on alternative weeks. Nowadays, most players don’t identify with or have any time for the fans (Wolves players are actually very good at this so can’t criticise them, but have look at when away teams coaches arrive at Molineux, most of then don’t even acknowledge their own fans). Even average players now earn over a million pounds a year, and when they clearly are not performing (like the QPR game) the supporters are venomous in their reaction, and who can honestly blame them?
The other problem is that we are getting ripped off at every turn. The shop discount for STHs has been removed but dressed up as a benefit, the extra charges for paying over the phone when there is no other way of realistically buying tickets, £2.20 for a cup of instant tea (our work machine dispenses identical items at 30p and makes a profit), lucicrous food and drink prices, premium rate phone charges and queues kept deliberatley long to increase income. The list goes on, but the fans are not stupid and are seeing through these cons.
Wolves does not have glory hunting fans all over the country who will buy merchandise so unless we look after our own fans, and encourage youngsters to come to games, our support will dwindle away.
Games have been available free on the internet for several years so this talk of TV being to blame is an excuse not to tackle the true reasons for falling gates.
Jez often comments that our prices are competetive and in line with other clubs, which is probably true, but he needs to realise that our competition is not other clubs, it is the option of not going to games at all.
Finally, to put all this into perspective, I work for a children’s chaity, and one of our partners is a charity that supports hundreds of bereaved children when their parents die. They are closing because our morally bankrupt government have removed their funding. The ANNUAL grant that has been cut is less than the average weekly Wolves player’s wage.

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The common thread to all is high prices, for tickets refreshments etc.I would think at clubs like Man. U. etc, if a fan chooses to relinquish his season ticket and not attend because of the above reasons, there would be a vast waiting list of people wanting to take their place.I do not think this applies to us. So Mox, look after what you have because you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.
We looked after you with some of the highest attendances in the Championship, week in week out, and our reward? you price us out of our club.

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The 3 M’s and up to a point the playing staff,have forgotten that football clubs belong to the supporters, if you do not look after the product by innovation and common sense the club is worthless. Only the land has any value.

The pub, and the football club, are in business competition with each other, both sell pies and liquids of variuos flavours, it is up to Moxey to give value for money and on this seasons showing, the pub is winning.

The problem football has with players’ wages is that in the in the bad old days, they gave skimpy wages to the players, locked the players into a unbreakable one sided contracts, failed to modernise ground and many will remember walking through inches of urine in the toilet half time.

Football grounds were for men, if you do not believe me, does any one remember a ladies toilet in the stadium. Recent years has seen the remarkable rise of families at matches and boy , do they get milked. Selling tickets as single when group buying, booking fee charges, shame on you. Sounds more like the Pirates of the Carrabean. Discount rates would provide for a rise in numbers attending. Study the super market offers, two for the price of one. Just stop blaming the pubs Jez, you have had far too easy, now let us see you earn your corn?

In the bad old days you could be going to a match by bus and you could sit by one of your heros. Civic Hall on a Saturday night and various players would be just another crowd of socialable young men at the dance. OK they give their time to charities, yes, so do a good many other everyday people.

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87, Good Comment.

TAKE NOTE JEZ MOXEY

FC Barcelona season ticket holders can phone into the ticket office and tell the ticket sales that they will not be attending certain or specific matches. Said ticket holder gets a 50% refund and the ticket is then put on re sale to the general public.

Make senses to a business head Jez, or not?

Not surprising then that Barca can at least 3/4 fill the stadium every home game. More business sense, or not, Jez?

The philosophy at Barca is that the fans are everything. They come first. The duty of the club, its total staff and all players is to give the best entertainment possible to it’s paying public.

FC Barcelona is of course owned by the fans, not a property speculator with his own interests as his root motivation. If Barca fans are not happy with the way the club behaves or the team performs, they can vote in a new President and board every four years.

English football might well sit up and take note.

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The only way to make Moxey etc realise how much money it costs a working class person to attend is by making them pay the same percentage of what they earn as us,..if you take an average fan taking home £250 a week then look how much an average match day experience costs him with ticket, travel costs, food and drink you will probably find a conservative figure to be around £70, thats almost 30% of his total income on one footie match!!…would Jez be happy to part with 30% of his weekly wage, although not knowing how much Moxey earns I would put this percentage figure in the thousands,….hands up who thinks he would part with that percentage of his wage to watch Wolves..none?, didnt think so, but thats exactly what he expects of the average fan, then has the cheek to moan when they find a cheaper way of watching their beloved Wolves.

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Very good posts on here, but I fear nothing will be done to address the balance. Football has got too greedy. There is nothing better than watching your team play live, the smell of the ground, banter of the fans but alas this may soon have to be a happy memory. As an early bird sth I’m getting a better deal, but pre-season I called the ticket line for Real Zaragoza game, I don’t live in W-ton (and have in the past travelled from Spain and Devon to watch the game) and although 2nd in the queue, took 15 mins to get through – £1.50 in phone call, £1.50 to pay for ticket – I accept they have to post it to me but what a rip off!!! And as for a cup of tea for £2.20, get real! £10 a ticket for Millwall game was a good deal, but I’m sure this wasn’t advertised anywhere? Was it in the express & star? Lower the prices and get the youngsters back in. I was hooked in the early 70′s but then I did get to watch the great Georgie Best play.

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I commented on this years ago. Supporters have finally come around to the logic that what you are paying for is not worth the quality you see on the pitch. Unemployment and lack of cash has finally brought it home.

Do you really want to pay £30-£40 to see performances like at Villa and QPR? Are the performances worth a ferrari for a girlfriend? That photo really shoved it down your throats didn’t it?

The falling attendances will be a godsend because it will act as an incentive to improve. When they start playing as though they are proud to represent a great club and eager to get results rather than as a ticket for a ferrari, the club will move forward.

The management must also take their share of the blame for not investing in better players. Don’t forget, the Compton training ground was improved on the pretext of attracting better players and then talk of an even better training ground for the same reason. What’s the point of spending all that money attracting players if you have no intention of purchasing them?

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Does anyone remember the 2p special they did in the 80′s linked with West Midlands transport. You could take any bus for 2p and get in the game for 2p. I asked my Dad i I could go and he gave me 10p saying I only needed 6p and keep the change!! Those were the days.

What has not happened at any EPL club is a serious look at ticketing methods and strategies for sale.

Some of the things I see in the US that could be deployed easily are ticket kiosks (unmanned , you just walk up, swipe your credit card and pay), variable rate tickets (ticket prices drop or go up during the run up to the game), advance purchase specials, combinations (3 homes and 2 away etc).
If you can get the ground full for the same revenue you get 21,000 in for then its a win-win for everyone. The fans get in and the club gets more sales from food etc.

The best thing I have ever seen is here in Atlanta at the Braves baseball, you pay $8 (5 quid) for a general admission ticket and it puts you in an area with a bar and restaraunt, limited views of the game and only seats in the bar/food area). Its brilliant. Atmos is great. I realize this would be revolutionary in England and you would have to deal with the nutters but as we are building a new stadium we should be looking at stuff like this.

Personally, I was happy standing on the South bonk and a bovril at half time but times move on..

Charlie
ATLANTA WOLVES

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reducing the cost of a ticket to sell seats is a great idea but does it work to the point of some of the above comments we reduce prices for cup games etc and still keep one stand shut due to not enough tickets being sold, i know its only usually notts county or Rotherham but wolves fans shouldnt be bothered wether its Bristol or Man utd, now what does put bums on seats is good football and big names, maybe thats the area we should be looking at
anyway whos going tomorrow UTW

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Drop the price by a fiver. Lose insane booking fee and youll fill the stadium. Even people traveling to see the wolves like us will only watch one game beacause the cost is so high.

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