I love mick as a manager but his ambition is very very poor

birmingham sign david bentley and on the verge of signing robbie keane

west ham have signed wayne bridge

and were about to sign some winger which we dont need as jarvis and hunt are top class and some striker from leicster!!!

im sure mick and jez said were going for prem experience this month!!

cant he see that our defence is very weak!

if we sign both of these its very very poor and an embarrasment!

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I may be just reaching a little with this one, but if we’re lining up another whippy winger than it suggests that all is not well in the realm of Kightly.

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number 2 has got it bang on! we need a left back and a centre back NOW!! maybe even another centre mid. hopes Munjangi Bia gets his chance tomorrow, he looked good on saturday! would also like to see Gorman and Ismail on the bench

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Dan (No 2) – “Maybe worth a punt……….” just sums us up. We should be trying to strengthen the present team, not taking a punt on the future.

Unless, of course, it’s been decided that the future is the Championship……..

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I agree with Tom[no.1]except the I love mick bit.Why again are we looking in the lower reaches for players who will not be able to keep us up? McCarthy just hasn`t got a clue,never has had and never will have and it`s time Steve Morgan recognised that.Just look where Newcastle and Blackpool are and we were promoted from the Championship as Champions.Since then we have gone backwards.OK,the first season we struggled as was expected but we managed to stay up.There is no way we should be down at the bottom again if lessons had been learned but idiot Mccarthy obviously still hasn`t taken on board how to advance a team,don`t forget,his record at Sunderland proves that.Mr.Morgan,don`t let O`Niell go to West Ham,get him now while we still have a chance.

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Tom

Are you mad??

£90K a week for Wayne Bridge? £75K a week for David Bentley? Robbie Keane £65K a week?

Why would anyone with the best long term interests of Wolves at heart embark on a policy of financiual suicide?

Wolves have been signing good young players since Mick McCarthy arrived at the club and there is absolutely no reason to change this policy.

Relegation is not the end of the World.

Administration and then Liquidation would be the end of Wolves.

UTW

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well this news is just speculation. But i’m really worried that Mick and some fans will continue to delude themselves about the strength of the current squad.
Great spirit and character YES but having LOST 13 games we are NOT good enough to stay up.

The teams around us are having a hard look at their squads and trying to bring in established premiership players to strenghen areas where they are weak but we arent.
we already have 3 wingers!!!

Why arent we being linked with a left back,centre half,defensive midfielder. We do need quality addition to the squad to give us a fighting chance to stay up.

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I don’t know if he would join us since stating he wants to play only in the prem (we are 19th now) and that he wants game time (we have jarvis and hunt on the wings) i agree with the other comments we need a CB and a LB, i do believe if we had a decent CB and LB we would have at least got a point on saturday, i dont understand why you are all asking for lescott back?! When he came on saturday he was so sloppy and the pen was very clumsy just highlights why the man city manager does not rate him, goodwillie? this is the bloke that got arrested for having s.e.x in the toilets of a nightclub on TWO different occasions and arrested for s.e.x with a minor (the girl turned out to be 16) not really sure that is someone i’d want around our club!

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Sorry Sir Billy but Tom is spot on. There is however a middle ground whereby we can go for one or two established quality premiership plays such as Robbie Keane (not Bentley) to just add more quality to our squad rather than people from Barnsley and Leicester. We could then compliment that with trying the young lad from Dundee say. Surely Robbie would prefer us over the Blues?

You only have to contrast our ambition with others to see that we now consider ourselves to be a lesser club than Bimingham, Stoke and West Ham; how sad is that!

Let’s just show a bit more ambition on building a premiership squad on a gradual basis as say Stoke have done rather than seeing the limit of our ambition being the Championship. Think Championship and we’ll end up back there.

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As Ive said before – it will be our lack of treansfer activity that will be our downfall.

Why should Morgan give mad mick more money for the positions we so badly need……..Centre half and left back????

How many has he already bought and failed with over the past couple of years????

I’d guess between 8 and 10!!??

Ever heard the saying about throwing good money after bad????

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1. West Ham and Blues are in terrible financial trouble.

These players just don’t want to be involved in a relegation battle and Bridge looked way out of his depth the other night as he has hardly played in 4 years.

I would love an experienced Premier League centre half and left back but we dont want some big time Charlie coming in messing up the squads morale and not pulling his weight on the pitch. We want players who have a point to prove and love the prospect of joining Wolves.

Look at Paul Scharner over on the darkside, slates his team mates to the media and has a clause in his contract saying if one of 7 clubs come in for him he’s off for free! Great!

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Some real options for Saturday V Liverpool and I hope our fringe players give a good account of themselves in the week, team V Liverpool:

Hahnemann

Foley
Berra
Stearman
Zubar

Jarvis
Henry
Milijas
Hunt

SEB
Doyle

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If Hammill is the answer, would someone remind me what the question was???? Look at last Saturday’s game. Tevez (short enough to be a circus act) brushed aside Berra (tall enough to paint my ceiling and maybe better suited to that) for his first goal. He was unmarked in a central position for his second goal. The Two Toures come straight through the middle too. Good grief, got dizzy typing that last sentence. The question is plain and simple. When are Wolves going to plug the centre of the defence? Middle to front I though they played some of their best football of the season. At the back, it was the same old story. The fans can see this, and surely Mick can see it. It’s Mick’s job to find the appropriate replacements and persuade the board to go for them. Simples!

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Sir Billy – don’t try talking common sense to some of these idiots, the “majority” of “wolves fan’s” who attend! matches are behind Mick – and that is all that matters.
Chris hoggard – thank god you are not in charge of anything at the club – you would even bankrupt the catering dept,and hey guess what – I want my club to survive, not go into admin just to pacify the qualms of those that would see us there- by the way are you relation to the “Bhatti’s” by any chance!

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23 laughing ?olf – call yourself a Wolves fan? SEB is injured and looks like being out for 3 weeks!

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Number 11- Sir Billy…You are an idiot Sir, and I say that with all that understand that money controls football, and in this Country, relegation is the end of the world for a wonderful team like Wolves.
We need to spend money now, big money to secure an experienced striker and defender, either sign up or on loan, this season or we are history.

We have a team full of potential great players in a year or so, if we are relegated you can say goodbye to many of our real talent that are doing their best to compete with a ‘dud’ Manager and without a good leader.
So, why not a 50-60,000 a week player , Morgan is prepared to spend several million on ground improvements, which will not be needed if we go down.
Get involved and attract a couple of high profile experienced players that can get the very best of our young players…we are not going to survive with Doyle who rarely scores goals, E-Banks who has one good game and then goes missing, Fletcher, who has seen better days & Edwards, Jones & Ward, none of whom have made the cut in the Premiership.

The word is spend…spend…spend with some of the funds available, and bring in form players
and yes Keeane could do wonders for Wolves despite his age etc. He is a goal scorer and someone we need now.

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I like the look of hammill but do we really need him with Jarvis and hunt ?
Maybe a good back up player tho!
I don’t like the fact we are being linked with another championship player who can’t get in lcfc first team, we have no ambition what so ever

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SO FRUSTRATING!!!
Why cant some fans be realistic Morgan and Moxey are not going to gamble with the financial future of our club, and I for one am happy with that.
Yes we may get relegated, hopefully not!! But I would like a future for WWFC.
Blues have signed Bentley on loan, are trying to sign Keane and Miller, and in Keanes case wanting £65k a week, £65k aweek??? dont make me laugh!!
All this from a club who havent, and have to, submit a financial plan thereafter October 2011 – so how can they plan for his wages, maybe thats why Keane and Miller are stalling, and Bentley hasn’t committed past this season.

Carry on 3Ms the majority believe in you, the rest are Muppets!!!

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The article is based purely on speculation, but at £1/2million it would seem to me that Hammill would be worth signing based on his growing reputation.
However, it does not mean that the club are not looking at strenthening other areas of the team such as the defence.

Unlike many who post comments on this site, I don’t think the the LB position is the main problem. I believe we need an experienced centre back who can command and organise the defence. Unless we can sign a suitable player (which is going to be difficult) then signing someone just for sake of it is pointless. I’d rather hope that Craddock regains full fitness soon.

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Keane hasn’t done anything of note in terms of actual football for years. Not since Berbatov left for United.

The only reason he is mentioned on these pages is because of his past connection with the club. Something that means next to nothing to him as he opted for the easy life at Celtic last year when we were prepared to put the money up for him.

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Tevez is different class one probably the best striker in the Premier. I wouldnt give Bentley,Bridge £10.000 a week.Robbie Keane i might pay £40.000 a week.

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Centre half required.

And yes I would pay £75000 p/week for a decent one too.

Gallas and Dawson were amazing yesterday.

Thats the differance.

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Wolfhound – How did you feel when we signed Jarvis from Gillingham (a division below us at the time) for next to nothing ? was that an exciting signing for you or were you moaning about a lack of ambition to get promoted etc etc ?

It’s interesting, in light of our conversation the other week about who should replace McCarthy, that you highlight 3 clubs that, having lost their manager for one reason or another, all made very poor & ill judged appointments and are still trying to recover. Some of those managers, Strachan for example, had loads of experience in the Prem & even in Europe, and failed, some had little experience and failed (See Rogers at Reading). & then you see how poor West Ham’s new left back was at the weekend.

It’s got me thinking that maybe this hire & fire plan of yours isn’t as easy in practice as it is in theory.

& before you start…… i don’t think we can afford Darren Bent…. it’s not lack of ambition, it’s just a fact.

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ARE WE GETTING READY TO GO DOWN–

DEFENDERS_ DEFENDERS _ DEFENDERS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE—–

Come on write some sense please—

Crazey Dave–

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i personally would rather see “young and hungry” players coming to wolves. they will want to play in the premier leauge and help the team. i think we have a good. we have give a good account of ourselves against the big boys. how many teams can say that. i know we have been poor against the lesser teams but i think we will improve and be ok. players like bridge and bently would come in and leave in the summer they wont care if we stay up or go down, they r gettin paid and go back to their teams. lets go for a few younger lads. alex bruce i thought was good when iv seen him on the tv. lets get behind the manager and team and actually SUPPORT them

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David wheater would be ideal!Solid,pace and scores from set pieces!When has stearman or berra scored from set play?

Craddock back soon,but need a center half!
The one thing i can’t understand is Mick was a center half himself and can’t fail to realise were struggling in this department.
Signings with Mick on Defenders;Shackell,D Ward,hill,friend,collins,berra,moukloyoko,stearman,Van Damme.Questions should be asked to Mick or sack the scouts!!!!!!!

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45 Kentish Wolf
Jarvis is one of the few signings that has made the jump to the Premiership tell me who else is kicking our doors down for our players.Do you think that our back line apart from Zubar is of Prem quality,obviously not or we wouldnt have conceeded as many goals as we have or be in the postion were in.Micks had 2 years to sort out the defence and he has failed mark my words if we continue playing Ward at LB and Steerman as CB we will be relegated no question.I am not saying break the bank of which were told we are cash rich but just pay the going rate for 2 quality defenders who may save our year.It may suit Morgan and Moxey to return to the Championship next year with the demolition of the North Bank but it would be an unquestionable disaster as far as Wolves Fans are concerned .

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Sir Billy – The only thing I would say is , spending 65k a week, won’t bankrupt the club. Signing lescott on loan for the rest of the season on 70k a week is less than £2 million quid for instance.

I think the point here though, is not who we are signing in terms of the quality, but more to the point, is who we are signing in terms of the position!

It’s SCREAMINGLY obvious that we need both a left back and a centre half. We also need a good solid midfield player to sit along Milijas.

We DO NOT need strikers, or wingers!

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The point Mick McCarthy has made is that it is very difficult to recruit ‘better’ players than the ones currently in the squad.

For instance Lescott keeps being mentioned by fans but he is not available?

David Wheater may be more realistic and available, do you not think that Wolves have/are exploring this signing? but is he better than Craddock/Berra/Stearman?

I don’t agree that we need a left back or a holding midfielder (other than cover for Henry).

I believe we can stop up with the current squad (all fit) along with Mick McCarthy.

UTW

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Get up the M6 Mick,to sign Abd Faye.
Stoke have plenty of C/Bs.
Decent offer could prise him away from the Brit.

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Wolfhound – you’ve basically missed the entire point of my post but never mind.

In fairness I think Berra has done Ok stepping up. I’m not so keen on Stearman at centre half but we’ve got Craddock coming back & that should strengthen that position anyway, and I think in time Mouyokolo will prove to be a decent signing…. hope so anyway ! We haven’t really seen him have any reasonable period of time actually fit yet.

I’m not really sure who you expect us to buy that is going to give the kind of guarantees you want. Wheater is a good player, so is Curtis Davies, but are they such a huge step up from what we’ve got ? Would they guarantee survival ? The answer to the first question is arguable on both sides but the second answer is a big no, they wouldn’t. Anybody thinking Lescott at this moment needs to think again. Quite aside from the fact we won’t pay his wages. He is well involved at City at the moment, they won’t let him go in this window, no chance, even if we did want him, they won’t release him.

You keep harping on about a “championship defence”,I know it could do with a bit extra quality but we built our survival last year on this defence. Getting Caddock back should make a big difference, will give us more organisation. We can survive again with this group of players.

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@ 40 Sir Billy Quiet

“I am not an idiot.

I remember standing outside the Molineux when the administrator arrived (after the Bhattis departure). I went to the ground because I feared that I would be witnessing the end of my club, imagine not going to the Wolves on a Saturday.”

You do realise that your second paragraph here, rather contradicts your first sentence…?

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14 – PeteNuts

i have to agree. maybe we are looking to be a strong championship side for the future – but i do think its in case we go down. the focus seems to be long term and stabilising the team for championship, worst case. this is why mccarthy mentioned there will be no selling of players if we go down, that they will need to fight to get back up.

i hope i am wrong. but the players we are linked with seem to be more investment.

We are not linked with any good players.

also i would go for robbie keane and play him WITH doyle, instead of in place of him. that way we have 2 sets of forwards! which will be awesome!

i just pray that we are at least linked with good players, even if we dont buy them. at least it will make me feel better.

btw what happened to klose? we were linked with him or some similar german ex-international superstar not long ago,.. . . .??

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64- No i wouldn’t like to point out the quality defenders that would come to our club as i dont get paid tens of thousands of pounds like, managers, chairman, chief execs & scouts! its there job to both identify quality first then pursuade them that wolves are the best option for them!

Neither of which at the moment i can see being done!

But if MM & the crew are as fed up as me of decent players demanding such ridiculous wages then probably this is the reason why we dont sign the type of players needed!

Just as long as everyone is clear on the fact that if we dont pay the money needed we will neither survive or progress!

Its harsh! but true!

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billy quiet you are an idiot good by

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63 Petenuts

Your name says it all…..

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Just heard on radio that Birmingham and Robbie Keane have broken off talks following Spurs accepting a £6m bid. I agree with many posts that we need to strengthen the defence but is £6m for Robbie Keane beyond us financially when we paid more for Fletcher? I also agree that buying young players for the future is the way forward longer term. But ultimately could you imagine the buzz that would go around Molineux if we could sign players of the calibre of Keane and Lescott. I cant help but think supporters are being short changed by the board when you think of the huge financial rewards of staying in the premiership. Or perhaps the board don’t mind being relegated…………

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Looks like Jarvo’s on his way, then. JtH.

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All this yak yak yak bout a defender, well, I have watched two of the best we ever HAD!
Neil Emblem at Waitakere United (thats here in NZ) and (aussie) Hyundi league hard man Kevin Muscat. i know they are getting on now but still loads better than the present incumbants, at least they gave their all!

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This signing makes good commercial sense, as it allows Mr Moxey to attempt a £20m sale of Jarvis. I hear that a potential buyer has already made themselves known.

Such a sale would be a remarkable profit for the clubs owners and the board, and one that will fill the coffers of the club.

Power to your elbow Mr Moxey, this is Premiership trading.

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So easy to sit in one’s armchair and say, “Sign two quality defenders.” It’s another to name names of those “quality defenders.”

Lescott? Man City will not let him leave. (Cover for Kompany and Toure.)
Wheater? Is he better than waht we have?
Curtis Davies? As Wheater. Will Villa let him go to a relegation rival?
Woodgate? Would he come? Is he a risk because of injury history?
Cuellar? Will Villa really let him go to a relegation rival?
Beye? See Cuellar.
Warnock? See Cuellar.

Where else do we go? If we cannot get the Villa players that cannot get into a team that has one more point than us, where do we really go. If they are the back-ups at a team in relegation trouble would they improve us?

In my mind, we are yet to see a fit Mouyokolo. He did well on Saturday when he came on. I still feel he will be better than any of those that might realistically come.

Craddock is coming back, and could make a difference this season.

Zubar looked good at left-back when moved there on Saturday. Elokobi is suspended for Saturday, and Ward hobbled off. Zubes could well be our starting left-back on Saturday.

Berra made one bad mistake on Saturday, which was when he miscontrolled a clearance on halfway, and let in Toure one-on-one on Hennessey.

Guedioura is expected back in February, and it is hoped Kights. Vokes is nearing fitness.

If we survive this season we have youngsters such as Batth, Mendez-Laing, Gorman, Ismael, Winnal, Mujangi Bia (looked good on Saturday), Ebanks-Landell, Cassidy, David Davis, Nathan Rooney, Spray, Doherty, etc coming though the reserves, and looking promising for the future.

It’s a matter of patience,which seems in short supply on here.

The results in the last eight matches would put us in mid-table, despite playing Chelsea, Liverpool away, Man City home and away, etc.

I expect us to stay up. We need six / seven wins to do so. Look at the fixture list. We don’t face Tevez, Dzeko, Villa, Toure(s), Milner, Barry, Johnson, etc every week.

Keep the faith. Also name names if you think they will improve the squad, AND be available.

Jarvis or Bentley? (Jarvis.) Keane or Doyle? (Doyle.) (I rated Robbie very highly, but he is not the player of three or four seasons ago, and certainly not on wages of 65K per week. (Spurs have said no loans for him. Three year contarct at £65K per week plus 6M transfer fees? Has he GOT three years in him? His wages will continue to be paid whether he plays or not.)

Sorry this is so long, but I feel the points are relevant.

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Just heard Robbie Keane wanted a pay rise to go to Brum.. well he was one of my favourite players he’s lost my respect, I think he’s past his best and yes I would rather have Doyle then him!!

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Wolfhound – The 2nd half of last season, our defence was very strong. We didn’t score many apart from the away game at West Ham & it was a strong defence that earned us so many points. Teams found us very hard to break down. In the last 8 games of last season we let in 6 goals & 3 of them came in the collapse at Pompey in the 2nd to last game of the season. I know this season it’s not quite been as strong, but the players you talk about being “championship defenders” are the same players that were Premier League defenders last year. The most important player probably being Craddock who looks like he is nearly fit.

I know what you’re saying about Bridge, he needs to get match fit. But when he’s only at a club for half a season & they’re paying out in he region of £90k a week for him, the least he could do is stand in the right place !

The point i was trying to make re: Jarvis (that you still seem to miss), is that you moaned earlier about the Hamill signing showing a lack of ambition. But you know little about the player. Players like Jarvis, Kightly & Foley all come from leaues below us at the point of signing, were you moaning about a lack of ambition to get into the Prem back then too ?

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@71 Sir Billy

Congratulations, you are the 100th person this week to mistakenly believe that using my chosen username against me in the kung fu style is in any way original or amusing. You win a commemorative pen and a year’s supply of Mad O’Rourke pies.

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Brereton, Welcome back,is Sir Billy having a day off.You guys and your mates always post one way;the club are doing the right thing,we must not go into debt buying players,there is every excuse why Stoke,Blues,Wigan and others beat us to sign players,and all your logic on controlling costs then goes out the window because you support the club policy of us going into debt by rebuilding the ground.Do you write Jez’s programme notes as well?

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Chris Hoggard – On the one hand the club is looking to invest money in an asset that will appreciate in value over it’s lifetime, that will add value, strength & security to the club by improving our balance sheet and will bring an income into the club over it’s entire lifetime that could be say what, 50, 60 years…….. on the other hand, you’re proposing getting into debt paying high wages for proven (in other words mature) players that will naturally depreciate in value over a very short period of time. A strategy that has failed with so many other clubs.

There is a fairly significant difference in those two proposals

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Accountant Wolf – Where have you been all this time ?

Your last two predicitons were that Wolves would a) deliberately set out to remain a Championship club, and b) Would deliberately seek to be relegated from the prem. Both because it was better financial sense for the club.

Based on your track record I’ll look elsewhere for a personal accountant and will assume that Jarvis is going nowhere!

Chris Hoggard – where in Breretons post does he mention the stadium ? I agree with you re not re building, but just because someone’s opinion is that certain players are past it an over priced, does that mean they want a new ground ?

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Jarvis is no more than a championship player get rid and get a premier winger

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Kentish Wolf
As regards to Adam Hamill you missed my point ,Im not saying hes not a good player what im saying is that we nned two defenders before a winger thats where our current problem lies.
The lack of ambition is that we wont pay the going rate for the defenders we need,we would rather trawl clubs in admin or lower league clubs for players,we cant afford anymore Shackells or Darren Wards.

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Chris Hoggard – I have just re-read my post. (Wrote it late last night, and it had disappeared when I checked earlier.) Where did I say not to buy players? The only one was an over-priced Robbie Keane. Not because of the cost, but what he brings to the table nowadays, and he is not one for any length of time.

I notice that you have not mentioned any players to actually bring in. Same old, same old. Name names if you want to knock my posts. I named plenty in mine. I am wanting new blood, but only if it improves what we already have.

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Wolfhound – I think we can both trust that whatever transfer policy & targets we have, players of Darren Ward’s “ability” won’t be included anymore !!

I know & appreciate we all have our different opinions, and it’s quite clear our opinions are pretty much a complete polar opposite to each other.

I just don’t get why you’d question the ambition or desire to stay in this league.
What is the “going rate” ? are you talking about splashing out wages for the likes of Bridge or Lescott ? or are you talking about putting up the fees & wages for the likes of Wheater or Davies ? The “ball breaking” conversation we’ve had before. I’d have no problem at all with either Wheater or Davies coming to club as i wouldn’t expect them to be on huge wages or command huge transfer fees. But i don’t see an awful lot to suggest they are a marked improvement on Mouyokolo who has Prem experience and was rated very highly by the Hull fans. Hopefully now he is fit, he’ll stay fit and help contribute to our survival.

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98- PLEASE provide evidence of that claim about my ever commenting on the re-building of the stadium? Don’t just pull satements out of the air like that without backing it up. I have NEVER been involved in any discussion about the stadium.

That I toe the company line is true. I happen to think that they have pretty much got it right to date. I said when we signed Bent on loan that I was against it, as I was with Kevin Kyle. Apart from that I have been happy. We have gone from expected relegation to League One to playing in the Premier League. Is that not progress? I remember taking stick over Freddy Eastwood because I felt he was not a 20 goals per season stiker. I was told everyone apart from me and Mick could see it. Has he achieved that milestone with Coventry? (Check it out if you like,. He hasn’t.)

If my opinion is that we are getting it right is not your opinion, I can live with that. It is merely an opinion. It doesn’t mean I am right, or that you are wrong. It’s just what I feel. Is that so wrong? I am a “glass half-full,” and you are a “glass half-empty.” We are both entitled to our views.

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Chris Hoggard – I will have to hold my hands up & say no, I’ve not seen your list, can you remember which article you posted it in as I’d be interested to see it. Although I wouldn’t mind betting the list of clubs getting into trouble due to player spending far exceeds it.

I understand you want to be entertained & see better players, we all do, and not particularly directing this bit at you as I don’t know you’re feelings towards it, but, there seems to be so many fans who think we should pay whatever it takes to stay up. My point is, basically, if being in the Prem is worth £33 million (for arguments sake), there’s no point in spending £40 million to achieve it because eventually, the fans will be entertained even less when the losses & debt force us into a Southampton type position in the 3rd tier of English football….. which we are not immune from just because we’re Wolves.

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First wanna say the match against man c was great. If they didnt have Tevez we would have won it, as always great determination and morale in the team.

The transfer window is soon closing and i think we can find many good and “cheap” players in europe cause in england the market is overheated i think. Mick then says it takes so long for them to adapt but if they are good enough its no problem.

French, dutch, swedes, turkish, serbian, bosnian players can be bought for a bargain i bet..please mick not just scotish and irish players in wolves…ok, im from sweden but i want more of a mix in the team, not just players who can run and tackle(a little exaggerated maybe).

Team vs Liverpool if I can choose

Hahnemann

Zubar (if not Foley is back)
Berra
Stearman (matchfit Craddock would even nicer)
Ward (Zubar if Foley can play)

Hunt
Jones (cant wait for Guedioura here)
Milijas
Jarvis

Doyle (Target player, and SEB is injured)
Fletcher

Noo, dont want Henry back in the starting team with his back- and sideway passes…
And i think Mujangi-Bia made a decent last min against city..

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Dont agree that it helps us keep control of the ball. Its the opposite, our goalie kicks the ball away to the other team and we lose the possession we had…yeah sure he can stop people with his tackling..just think we have been able to keep the ball more without him in the team compared to earlier matches this season and a better passing game..Of course im not saying play the ball forward in all situations that would be stupid.

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I would just like to say that rumour has it that keane has not signed for Birmingham coz he wants double wages.

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