Manchester United 3 Wolves 2
Tuesday 26th October 2010, 10:00PM BST.
Battling Wolves suffered last minute heartbreak as Manchester United dumped them out of the Carling Cup in the cruellest fashion.
Goals from George Elokobi and Kevin Foley cancelled out strikes from Bebe and Ji-Sung Park in a pulsating second half which looked set for extra time.
But substitute Javier Hernandez burst through with just 45 seconds of normal time remaining to win it for United.
Wolves were more than a match for the holders, with Matt Jarvis terrorising Wes Brown and Gary Neville to further stake his claim for an England call-up.
Manager Mick McCarthy made seven changes from Saturday’s 2-0 defeat at Chelsea, with Stephen Hunt handed his full debut and both teams looked disjoined in a poor first-half.
United bossed possession but failed to break down a stubborn Wolves rearguard.
Bebe did his best to break the malaise by creating the first clear opening after 18 minutes after getting the better of Elokobi to cross for Federico Macheda – whose scuffed effort fell kindly for goalkeeper Wayne Hennessey.
Wolves were frustrating their hosts and defending well in numbers – leaving United with no alternative but to shoot from distance.
As an attacking threat, though, they struggled and David Jones summed up their first half attacking efforts by planting a free kick straight into the wall 10 minutes before the break.
Fresh from a presumed rocking from their respective managers, the sides then produced a rip-roaring second-half.
Macheda flashed one over, Darron Gibson’s 40-yard free-kick briefly troubled Hennessey before the goalkeeper was at his best to deny Park after the winger broke clear.
Sylvan Ebanks-Blake’s drive was then deflected over by Jonny Evans before United took the lead on 56 minutes.
Bebe wriggled free of Elokobi on the left and his cross deflected off the luckless left-back and looped over the stranded Hennessey.
Foley looked to have cleared off the line but the goal was awarded – with replays suggesting there were millimetres in it.
But Wolves didn’t dwell and were level four minutes later, when Jones swung in a corner from the right and Elokobi powered in a six yard header.
Two minutes later, Hunt’s curling effort from Jarvis’ excellent low cross clipped the bar.
Park shot wide soon after and Macheda fired over as the game reached a frenetic pace and, with 20 minutes remaining, United retook the lead.
Steven Mouyokolo look to have cleared from Macheda but Park took advantage of the loose ball to guide it past an unsighted Hennessey.
It was harsh on Wolves but again they came back just six minutes later, when Ebanks-Blake and Steven Fletcher combined for Foley to turn and shoot beyond goalkeeper Ben Amos
A stunning turnaround following a dire first-half continued, as substitute Marcus Bent tested Amos while Hennessey denied Gabriel Obertan.
Wolves looked to be hanging on for extra time but man of the moment Hernandez bagged the winner with just 45 seconds left of normal time.
The Mexican was spotted by Gibson and bamboozled Mouyokolo to beat Hennessey – despite the goalkeeper getting a hand to his effort.
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wy take off the two most threatening players . mick was it to give utd the upper hand. cant understand that one
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Excellent we can’t beat utd reserves (who are shocking) nice subs too… BENT on SEB off, JARVIS off when he’s running the show, great ambition to get into the 1/4 finals there Mick
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”Saving him for saturday” why?? We won’t beat city….A cup run could have been just what we needed, gurantee man utd will get albion in the next round
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Another fantastic effort tonight. Keep the faith, and good things will come. UTW!
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Played well and now they know after the last two performances that they can take confidence roll their sleaves up and do the other Manchester lot at the weekend. I am sure the crowd will be really behind them after the last two matches.
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Really harsh because it sounds like you really took the game to them in the second half.
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Great 2nd half performance from the lads, Matty Jarvis ran their defence ragged 10/10 performance by him,and both our goals were very well taken, a super bullet header from Elokobi and a very well taken goal by Foley. My only gripe ”IMO” is i still dont rate Mancienne, i find him very weak in the tackle,he runs around like a headless chicken,partly to blame for the 2nd goal because of a weak challenge.If i played him anywere it would only be at Full back?. And my other small gripe is David Jones he gets caught in possesion to much ,then makes short passes to players who are either marked or have a player breathing down their necks? ,he’s always waving his arms about like a bird in a tree. I was disappointed to see Milijas left out after playing well Saturday, i said Saturday night, i hope MM gives him 6 games on the trot and not drop back to the bench for tonights game. That wont do his confidence much good, why didnt he give him and Jones another game together or 45mins each?. I hope to see Karl Henry and Milijas in midfield v Man City. I know MU only played a mostly young team, but take nothing away from our lads they played very well, i thought the young CH Moloyoko? played well on his debut, as did Steve Hunt who got 90mins under his belt, which can only be good news for him/wolves and all us fans. Lets hope we take our 2nd half performance into Saturday’s game. UTW:
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Great effort lads. Unlucky not to win. We’ll just have to stuff em in the league instead. Jarvis for England!
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Another ‘nearly there’ performance but could we have done it with Milijas on in place of Mancienne who just never seemed to do anything in another ‘out of position’ decision by Mick?
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Lots of positives from that game – lots. One positive in particular is that we dont have to worry about playing an extra game.
All of the back four were fantastic (even though some people will still find some reason to critise Berra who again, was collasol)
Hunt was great (obviously lacked some fitness) and SEB and Fletch were awesome. And of course, man of the match matt Jarvis.
We will stay up, please can noone be all doom and gloom.
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Excellent performance, Hennessey, Berra, Mouyokolo, Jarvis, SEB and Foley were terrific.
We will stay up.
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OH DEAR! DEFENCE IS A JOKE. If we can’t beat Man U’s second string WE ARE GOING DOWN!
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brilliant substitutions,managed to snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory,
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Don’t get carried away, we conceded 3 goals to Man Utd Reserves, and as for those substitutions, what the hell is McCarthy thinking? We should have easily won that game, but , as usual, tactics and subs all wrong. Fletcher is the biggest waste of money ever to come to Wolves. MCCARTHY OUT!!
I suppose Ward and Edwards will be back on Saturday??
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Lots to take from this. Especially that Mouyokolo is a player. Two decent performances on the bounce with plenty of hardwork and skill. Thanks lads.
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Some might say the subsitiutions were made because of saturdays match in mind, but the fact of the matter is, Mick bottled it. Why take off our best players with 8 minutes to go as Jarvis was ripping the Reds defence to shreds, and SEB who we all know will not get picked on saturday should have stayed on the pitch. Yes again Mad Mick strikes again. Fletch was shattered, he should have came off, Big Ears was tired too, should have came off aswell. Man U were there for the taking, and Mick blew it!
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This is out season all over. Unlucky.
Great performance (2nd half). I want to stay positive about it all though. pls lets not neg. . . .
we have a tough run, yes, but then we have a very winnable one. Lets back MM, lets back the Wolves.
Why?
Because: WE ARE WOLVES!!!!!
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After seeing it with my own eyes, I have to question the competancy of the Wolves management. At 2-2 and near the end of normal time Mick McCarthy takes off Wolves most dangerous player, Matt Jarvis. He should have taken off Steven Fletcher who had a terrible game. Then to compound his Jarvis error, he replaces Ebanks-Blake with Bent. You could see the disappointment and disbelief on Ebanks’ face. Two shocking management decisions. Mick, I would love to hear your reasoning for these changes at such a crucial time in the game. With decisions like these two I fear for our chances of staying in the Premier along with of course, it has to be said, a terrible defence.
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What I’ve just witnessed is beyond belief…We were awful first half but so were MU then Jarvis and EB were causing all sorts of mayhem 2nd half…Fletcher was anonymous…what does MM do?…takes off our best 2 players..Bent for EB…JOKE!! then Jarvis and brings on Doyle..it was 2-2 at the time….Elokobi looked to have found his feet at last..Mancienne was his usual powder puff self..Jones has lost the plot…Hunt looks short on fitness…Foley impressed..Berra on a useless par with mouyokolo…Hennessey was ok….Love the Wolves but losing faith in MM
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Oh no, we couldnt beat Man utd’s reserves. What a joke some of you so called fans are, did it cross your mind that allot of the players on show for man utd will be world class players in the future? Did it cross your mind that most those players would get into at least a few premier league teams with ease? Did it even cross your mind that we had made 7 changes, from our league game, so we were also basically playing our reserves?
We did fantastic in the second half, and Jarvis was by far the bast player on the pitch. Could have easily won the game, Hunt clearly is a fantastic buy, and had he been fully fit and match sharp, could have had 2 goals today.
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mm is an idiot
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great team effort again, but the luck is not with us and Man U got luckly i think we will beat City come you Wolves!!
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They were there for the taking towards the end and muppet Mick takes off our biggest threat who could have won the game for us. Mick thinks – “Bellies tickled, putting a shift in, lads were terrific, 5 minutes to go, take Jarvis off because that’s what I do with 5 minutes to go, whatever the game”. Why not give Milijas 90 minutes in a cup game and tell him to go out and show us what he can do, but no, not Mick. There were many positives to take out of the 2nd half performance, but they were despite of, not because of our totally inept manager. Please Mr Morgan, get rid before it’s too late.
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I am afraid folks “Thats why we’re going down,thats why we’re going down!!!
MM OUT – wrong team,wrong substitutions, no ambition, no confidence, no character, no gile, no skill- its championship material at best.
MM OUT before its too late. Man city will stuff us on Saturday, and it aint going to get any easier. we will be bottom of the league by the middle of November… How depressing, when we have spent so much money over the Summer. Get Mad Mick out!
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foley and Moloyoko at the back tonight brilliant, gotta to keep ward out for saturday please!!!!! great display tonight and although Bent should have never come on for EB , i think milijas should have started…. jones did alright, but he was for sure at fault for their final goal…….. he was jogging, ball watching when he should have see the mexican on the run behind him……….. i saw it was happening before he scored shouting at the sky 3d…… gotta to get 3d by the way… first time i seen it and never felt so close to the wonderful Wolves lads!!!!! UTW
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In reply to 17, if we had a pound of sausages as manager, would you feel it was our duty to support him because “We are Wolves”? If our manager put out a team of farm animals in our next game, you feel it would be our duty to cheer them on because “We are Wolves”? Are you happy clappers prepared to accept any kind of mediocrity as long as it has a connection to our club? I think we need to show a bit more ambition than that.
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Im fed up of pessimistic wolves fans. Come on here every week after a game and people are moaning. I mean at the west ham game fans were singing super mick and then as soon as west ham score a penalty, there calling for his head, it really gets my goat.
Why can’t we see that against chelsea we took the champions of England very close and maybe could have got something. And tonight it shows the character of our team to keep going after going behind twice to the most decorated team in England. Thats what happens when we support our team and encourage them, they will try there hearts out. Can we not see that after playing west ham off the park first half the other week, we got to see the best of them as we encouraged them. So can we please get behind our team sat and stop this bloody moaning. Yes there are certain things that mick does that annoys us , but we have consistency with management at our club for once and we need to keep this in place. How many times have we seen clubs sack there long term manager and then just fold, as i think would happen with this team as you can see they work their socks off for mick.
Can we please get behind the team on sat and put our trust in mick. It’s only 9 games into the season and we are playing well enough to turn things around!In mick we trust!
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Great effort lads, lets back our team not slag them and the manager off, and get behind on Saturday. you know who you are.
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10 minutes to go – both Ebanks Blake and David Jones were exhausted and had stopped chasing. (Even Seb’s ripping shot from the top of the box happened when he stopped there as he couldn’t run into the box to receive a cross). I would have brought Milijas for Jones and Doyle – not Bent – for Seb.
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Maybe he took some players off because of fatigue.
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Well played boys pushed to top teams right to the end,recon we will beat Man City at home, definatly turned a corner,in Mick we trust, Come On You Wolves !!!!!
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Much like Saturday, this was a winnable game but we came up short. Good performance all round, lots of positives to take from it.
We seem to be much better when we utilise an attacking formation and mindset.
Dont understand the Jarvis substitution, if MM was saving him for Saturday then take him off at full time and spare him the extra time. He could have lasted another 5 minutes and he was tearing the defence apart.
Dunno about Moyoloko, looked decent but was iffy on positioning. Put that down to his debut and inexperience with the squad but he looks like a Craddock replacement at least.
Berra was again a weak link, his “stamp my fist on the ground after the goal to make it look like it was not my fault” thing is fast becoming his trademark (along with his shirt pulling).
Result would have been moot if Fletcher had put away one of the nine chances he had. Bet he feels good about making that comment midweek about not being in Scotland squad.
He looked sharp though and he looks our best bet up front.
Highlight of the night was Bebe’s goal celebration, easily the gayest seen for a long time.
Sticking my neck out but I think we might nick a point against Man C.
Charlie
ATLANTA WOLVES
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18 – Spot on with your comments. MM has to explain the changes made at a crical time in the game.
The first half was absolute rubbish from both teams and completely forgettable.
In the second half Jarvis was quite superb and the lads should have put the game away but for our failure to finish our chances.
I fear for the team as we still have three more games where points will be hard to obtain. We have made a decent fist of the last two games but at the end of the day we have come up empty. I am more than ever convinced that we lack a true cutting edge to finish games off. Hernandez is different class and we simply cannot (or will not) invest in such players.
I am not convinced that there is enough quality in our coaching or financial commitment at the level we are trying to play at.
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Great second half performance, coming back twice after going behind. Has to be said though those substitutions were disastorous. Jarvis taken off when he was destroying them and then Ebanks-Blake who was having a good game (by his standards). Please Mick explain your tactics there. everyone could see that it was Fletcher and Hunt who needed to be subbed – terrible decisions there.
Would have liked to have seen Miijas on too, maybe from the start.
I just don’t get Mick.
At least it was a good performance by the time. Please no ward or edwards against City!!!
JARVIS FOR ENGLAND!!!
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Take a look at United’s 2nd goal from start to finish in slow motion. What Mancienne did (or didn’t do) was so bad that we should be terminating his loan with immediate effect. Totally disinterested.
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Mancienne was awful, seemed to be marking space rather than man to man, the last 2 goals came through the middle, sorry but send him back to chelsea Mick.
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At the end of the day we lost and you get nothing for being plucky losers
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What the manager was doing I don’t know the game was there to be won & he take off our best 2 attacking players.
Some how Fletcher remained on the pich who was shocking, yet SEB was running Evans ragged.
I don’t take a great deal of encouragment from this as Utd were awful, especially in the first half, when we played way too ‘safe’ & seemed scared to give the ball away & were too deliberate in our play, we only improved after they scored because we had to score, but why didn’t we play like that from the off???
Also, last night told us why we have to play with the 3 in the middle of the park, as we are simply not good enough to play with 2, 2 of their goals come from play straight through the middle of the pitch, we were nowhere, Park ran straight at us from inside his own half for his goal & a similar story for their winner, Henry straight back in on Saturday, the morons on here can say what they like about him, but at least he protects the back 4.
We will never get a better chance of beating Utd at Old Trafford, you can tell how bad they were when Fergie is heaping praise on the opposition to detract from how bad his boys were.
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A Quarter Final at stake,SEB running their centre halves ragged,Jarvis near unplayable what does our mighty know it all manager do? Take them both off….save them for the weekend,they young kids who played 3 times a week in the Championship..Sorry but i’ve had enough of this arrogant,pig headed fool taking us for mugs!! Mick you are the weakest link!! GOODBYE!!!
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Hennessey was great ???
Explain to me why he was virtually lying down for their winner then plz???
If he stands up he saves it easily.
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What odds duffer mick is out by Christmas? WW Looked good in parts against manure utd pub team. Fact is, fresh legs were needed with 20 minutes to go and not 2 minutes. That’s down to the dope; the sooner he goes the better – and the sooner Fletcher goes back to the highland league the better (4th division’s his forte)
This was a game MADE for Miljas, his clever play against a bunch of 3rd graders was tailor-made for him. He must have been fuming at being left out of a meaningless cup competition.
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9 and 13 Agree totally,
I have been calling for a new manager for some time now and although we have played far better in the last two games, please tell us why????
1. You took off Jarvis and Blake when both were playing superb.
2. You didnt look to change Mancienne (who I dont rate as a midfielder) or Jones who although played well enough looked knackered with 15 mins left to play. Then replace either one with Nenad who is capable of retaining play, shooting from range and picking out a killer pass???
Mind boggling subs once again and no instinct for victory.
Sorry but I will not be happy clapping about a near win over MnaUtd reserves
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We got exactly what was needed out of this game – some confidence to go at a ‘big name’ building on the Chelsea performance, even if it wasn’t Utd’s best team. MM also made some decisions that I doubt he would have in a league match.
League wins are the priority and confidence to go out get stuck in and most importantly – take shots, comes from games like this.
P.S. I know he was being rested, but just need to say Hahnemann is AWESOME. Our goal difference would be much more in the negative without him. I like his style, very different and gets the job done.
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it may have been uniteds second string but they had carrick(£18 million) smalling (£10 million) oberton (£8 million) Hernandez (£10 million)Bebe(£7 million)- all 5 beat/match our record signings alongside the likes of brown,park,Macheda and Gibson
i thought we did well but was baffled by the substitutions
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Well he did it again, subs at the wrong time what is wrong with him.
Lost again in last min.
He has reverted to last seasons inept timing and players.
Well done to the lads for their effort.
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Second string Man U – more like third!! We virtually played our first team – frankly appalling! Clueless MM takes off our best option in Jarvis then brings on Doyle and plays him in midfield – why? Surely, even the ‘happy clappers’ must see that we are in serious trouble. Yes we played some possession football against WEAKENED teams in Utd. and Chelsea – but let’s get real! Who is there to bring back on Saturday? Henry?Ward? Edwards? Milijas? Worrying isn’t it? I’m Wolves through and through but I live in the real world and MM is not a premiership manager – he never will be!
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Lots of positives from last nights game but agree with all the comments about the substitutions. Why bother to take your best player off with a few minutes to go. Does Jarvis have an inbulit timer that says if you play for another 10 minutes you won’t be fit for Saturday? Did we want to win the game then keep the shape and penetration that was proving to work. Just by throwing on your a bunch of forwards doesn’t mean that you will score goals.Biggest weak link was Mancienne – not one penetrating forward pass, no saving tackles, no great interceptions. He just seems to go through the motions. Milijas seems more committed and has the ability to move the ball forward much quicker so keeping up the momentum rather than passing square or back. I hope that he gets a longer run in the team. I think that the squad we have is OK and that MM will find his best team formation by default soon and survival will be assured.
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34 – spot on. Very good 2nd half performance, against a much improved Man Utd, but can’t understand why he took off SEB or Jarvis. For me, swap Doyle for Fletcher if you need fresh legs, but what he did messed with the balance in the forward line.
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We don’t care about this match, surely? I mean, what good is a run in the Carling Cup anyway?
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Unlucky, wanted you to dump Man U out of the cup, in the same way as a Midlander I hope that you stay up.
It’s still very early, but your campaign is reminding me of our previous visit to the premiership, where we were always ‘galant losers’ or ‘unlucky’. Still time to turn it around, but MM really does puzzle me! Wouldn’t want you to get rid of him though! ;-)
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This was embarrassing. If we can’t beat a reserve team who would not be strong enough to stay in the prem then I have serious doubts of the ability of the team to stay up this year.
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I was screaming at the TV saying get Doyle on we can win this. Then like magic Doyle is warming up.
Then i see Jarvis number is up i laugh saying thats a mistake and who is coming off?
I see Jarvis walking off after rinsing the full backs, i am waiting for MM to say wrong number and why would i take off our best player.
Then i see that MM is doing nothing and the subbed player really is Jarvis.
I sit down speechless.
MM please go and take Connor with you as you really have lost the plot.
I heard him saying that he was saving Jarvis, this would have made more sense if we was playing a team we had a decent chance of beating. yes we may beat city but highley unlikely.
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Mick is a born idiot and if morgan cant see it then god help us.
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Says it all doesn’t it, United bring on Hernandez & Wolves bring on Marcus Bent!!! Fletcher & Jones were dire, no touch, can’t pass & get caught in possession every time. SEB was on his backside most of the game although I thought he worked very hard. Hunt needs a few more games but will come good. What’s MM’s problem with Milijas? can’t be any worse than Jones!
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Well, this was arguably the worst side that Ferguson has ever put out in any competition.
I know that it contained a few experienced players but the performance was woeful.
Wolves will never win matches with the defensive mindset of playing central defenders as holding midfielders.That said chances were made and missed.We will never have a better opportunity to beat them .The strikers seemed to panic when the chances came,red mist etc,Some good performances, notably Jarvo, George,Moyokolo.We need SKILL in midfield and tough hard defenders. and strikers who can FINISH.
PS and a manager who knows what to do.
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JARVIS FOR ENGLAND. That is all.
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BENT????????? WHY BENT?????????? HE IS HOPELESS
I THINK BERRA IS REALLY POOR ALSO. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NEW GUY FROM HULL PARTNER STEARMAN IN THE CENTRE. MANCIENNE IS NOT UP TO IT. FLETCHER IS NOT ALL THAT. DOYLE IS TEN TIMES THE PLAYER HE IS.
CONSIDERING WHO IS FIT AT THE MOMENT, MY STARTING 11 WOULD BE
HENESSEY
ELOKOBI STEARMAN MOULOKU FOLEY
HUNT HENRY JONES DOYLE JARVIS
EBANKS BLAKE
PS. WHY WHY OH WHY BENT???
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If I was Jarvis I would be insulted at being subbed. Typical bit of Muppetry from the Mighty Muppet. Did you notice Clipboard looked permanently harrassed like a rabbit in headlights?
All fancy play in midfield and clueless in the final third as usual. As sooon as 80 minutes came up I said to the wife “switch off time, here comes the goal” and within 5 minutes there it was.
Takes off EBanks and Jarvis who played well and puts on Dopey Doyle. God knows what he thought he would do. I don’t think his latest arrival, Fletcher was that good either.
Ah well. Nice while it lasted.
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Let’s not delude ourselves about being unlucky at losing narrowly to Man U at Old Trafford. We were playing reserves / third team at a half full stadium and with our team we should have won.
We can say it’s only the Carling Cup and it doesn’t matter, but the problem is that our players and the tactics they are continually asked to employ simply do not look good enough. MM seems completely married to the plucky underdog / backs against the wall approach and we are simply not progressing.
Mancienne is not a central midfielder. Jones is too sporadic and can’t take grip of a game. Berra may be a solid stopper but is not a central defender who can look up and pick a pass. And SEB and Fletcher look like two players who have either lost confidence and / or are trying too hard.
We have got to pull something out of the hat in our next three games, or confidence levels amongst players and fans will be at breaking point.
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great second half,thought we were unlucky.
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Can the E&S sports desk ask MM to explain last night’s substitutions, please? Clearly all – including the players – are baffled.
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I can understanding him not wanting Jarvis injured for saturday but why not wait until end of 90 minutes??? What difference 5 minutes rest would have given him I dont know! At the time we were on the attack and removing Jarvis handed the initiative back to Utd. BRAINLESS!!!
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i was going to try being positive about last night! but that was arguably our best side (nearly) against a woeful 2nd / 3rd string utd!
i found MM’s substitutions completely shocking! some people saying but we need matty for wknd? what difference will 10 mins more make? yes take him off if goes to e.t…. as for seb! he was one of best players on pitch and if he stayed on we would have got a winner! cant b resting him! he never plays him anyway!
the bloke is a complete joke! hey tht ryhmes but im far from laughing!!
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have to agree with all the above..
jarvis was having the game of his life….with only 8 mins left – why take him off – last night must have done his confidence the world of good….defo needs to be called him for an england friendly….why rest him for 8 mins ? if we went to extra time i could understand it
seb – sorry mate – u deserved to stop on- u were brill – back to somewhere near your best- why he took you off i’ll never know
JVD ? when he is going to get his chance as a left back ?!!!!! elokobi was brill and i am glad he had his chance – but we all know ward will be back on sat !!
milijas – u complain he lacks minutes on the pitch – last night was the perfect chance for him – and as for jones – gives the ball away too much and is too negative
talking of negative – does anyone else get frustrated with how much we pass the ball back to keeper and then just hoof it forward- could understand if we had crouch up front !!!
on a plus note – cant wait to see hunt upto speed – him and jarvis on the wing – we will be a match for anyone !!!!
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27 Telwolf24
I agree with everything you say. I too am sick to death of hearing the moaners.
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no quality in mid field dave jones gives the ball back to were it came from 2 yard passes mm you need a ball player in mid field who gets forward give peter knowles a ring
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Positives
Jarvis was amazing, this lad is going all the way.
Hunt when fit will be a decent player as well as he isnt afraid to get in the box. way off fitness wise at the moment though.
I thought SEB did ok.
Negatives
Micks mad subs logic. Dave Jones wants to grab whatever wolves are offering him cus he was awful last night
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Not a bad go at it last night, but the subs were idiotic and it took the wind out of our sails. We would have been in the last 8 and a realistic chance of wembley to have the day out we fans all crave and deserve, not to mention the club earning themselves a few million at the same time.
Think MM missed a great opportunity last night to give the club, fans and whole squad a big lift. He should be ashamed of his lack of tactical nouse.
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Jarvis for England – has to be after that performance…
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How anyone can criticise anything about last night is beyond me.
Ok, the first half was drab, from both teams.
but in the second half we were much the better side against united players who will play first team ootball regularly this season.
I don’t give a monkeys about this competition, I’m glad we are out of it to be honest, would rather focus on the league, and if we can turn in performances of that quality against the likes of Blackpool, Bolton, West Ham, Wigan, Baggies, Blues, Blackburn, Sunderland then we will survive.
We are starting to look like we have some balance to the side now Hunt is involved.
Jarvis was superb last night, as Was Elokobi, Berra and i thought Mouyokolo looked imperious at the back, just a little unlucky for their second goal.
The only two players who didnt perform very well for me last night Were Mancienne and Fletcher, and thats only because Fletch had to keep dropping deep to get the ball.
Bring on Citeh!
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I must say we were SUPERB last night. Mick maybe had Saturday in mind when he seemed to make the negative substitutions but I think we will give Man City a real game.
I was glad that Milijas was rested as this probably means that he will start on Saturday.
Team V Man City:
Hahnemann
Foley
Mouyokolo
Berra
Van Damme
Jarvis
Jones
Mancienne
Hunt
Milijas
Doyle
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We lose in the last minute…again. Nothing new there then!
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50. You remind me of Hull and Burnley in previous seasons who were also newly promoted clubs and got off to great starts getting points from Arsenal and Man Utd being watched by 22k.
Injuries and suspensions kicked in, the enthusiasm started to runout after a few defeats and relegation was the result.
Wolves have had the worst injury problems in the Premier League but with Hunt, Henry, Mouyokolo, Craddock, Zubar, Kightly etc to comeback we will start to climb the table as quickly as albion will start to drop down it so be aware.
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Will Man United get punished for playing their reserves? I don’t think so.
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2 good back to back performances. admittedly the substitution were a little strange.. especially bringing marcus bent on for seb. hunt played very well considering its his first start and his fitness is a bit lot. mouyokolo had a good debut. jarvis again was different class!! SEB was brilliant. i think this run of 5 games against the big 4 sides will make us a stronger side.. we’ve played chelsea and Man u and have caused them both some serious problems.
4 saturday:
USA
Foley. Berra. Mouyokolo. Elokobi.
Jarvis. Jones. Mancienne. Milijas. Hunt.
Doyle
keep playing the same way!!
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I can’t believe some of the comments on this page! A few points if i may –
1) Man U reserve team (which i accept it was) was still packed with plyers costing small fortunes and lots of medals – Smalling, Evans, Brown, Gibson, Park, Macheda …. every one would walk into our 1st 11 surely?
2) MM taking off Jarvis at that moment in time was a sound move – he is our best player bar none over the last 12mths and with the game looking like it may go on for another 40mins i can understand fully with taking him off. Not that difficult to understand! Jarvis should walk into England team on current form!
3) Last 2 performances HAVE been good and should give all fans the belief that our season is far from over. Again, judge MM after 01 Jan 11 and not before.
4) I hope Milijas starts alongside Jones & Henry in next game. Hunt looks like a really good buy. I wonder who will partner Berra at back? Stearman playing well but Mouyokolo had a decent game too. Think George deserves a start at LB too.
Keep the faith Zubar will be fit soon too!
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Our players were running and passing like they have all got housemades knees how poor was that.
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Great team performance last night. So near to getting a result. Keep playing like this lads and you know you can turn things around.
(Lets hope its against Man City on Saturday)
As for the comment’s about Mick, some of you need to think and ask yourself if you really support Wolves ???
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For all the part-time supporters and whingers on here, the so called Man Utd reserves boasted one England player – Carrick – that cost as much as our entire summer transfer budget. They also had a £10m centre half and about £25m worth of wingers on show.
Many positives from last night. The entire rearguard played well and the goals conceded were down to central midfield. Jones and Mancienne should have been replaced by McCarthy. Jarvis ripped ex-England internationals, Neville and Brown, apart and deserves an England call up. With another outing under his belt, Hunt will make a massive difference. SEB was good in patches but Fletcher should have done better.
Play like we have in the last two games and we will get a result against Man City.
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Agree Jarvis should not have come off. Shula have at least waited till fuul time. Man city game on in my local in Harrow cone on you Wolves
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im sorry folks been a wolves fan all my life, used to stand in a half empty ground with 2 sides of it closed when we were playing mighty torquay and port vale etc, but is any one else getting sick and tired of “we played well but……”"we had chances to win the game but………” i am fearing the drop at the minute.
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I love how you liken us to Hull and Burnley…means our success so far this season is grating a lot of you.
I will admit its early doors and the prems unpredictable, but unlike the two clubs mentioned we have strength in depth.
Our reserves have hardly broke a sweat against Leicester last night and same in the previous round against Man City.
Not a single player that started on saturday against Fulham started last night.
Oh Injuries we’ve had Cech, mattock, Miller, Odemwingie, Thomas (whos back now) and Tamas out in recent times and still managed.
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Laughing wolf. Youre hurting aren`t you. It shows you care. Come here for a cuddle.
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Agree with 71 and 74 re: team for sat.
Ward and Edwards have had their chance now surely?
I don’t think we are good enough to go head to head with teams and play 4-2-2. We need to pack our midfield as it’s too easy for teams to pass through us and leave our defence exposed. 4-5-1/4-3-3 is the way forward.
That game was crying out for Milijas last night. We wasted most of our free kicks and corners and never got in any long range shots on target. I hope he gets a chance otherwise we’ve seen the last of him which is a shame.
I thought Mouyokolo looked good at the back. Once we have all our players ft we have a good squad but will Mick ever drop his favourites for better players who sit on the bench.
Hahnemann
Foley
Mouyokolo
Berra
Van damme
Jarvis
Jones
Mancienne
Milijas
Hunt
Doyle
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Erm Laughingwolf… don`t depress me even more by saying things will get better when Craddock (aaaargh!!), Henry (headless chicken!!), Kightly (sadly not going to be seeing him this season)will be back soon.
We can stay up but its going to be hard.
Love to think Albion will collapse but I actually think they`ve got something about them this year, much better squad than before and most importantly a manager who can read a game and react within the 90 mins to make changes. Lets hope he does a coyle and walks soon.
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Utd’s first goal was a joke – undeserved and a complete fluke. Without that, who knows? We were unlucky and, as for ” Man U reserves”, their winner came from a world-class footballer.
I do agree about the substitutions, though – utterly crazy. If it’s important to save Jarvo for Sat, then Milijas should have played instead of him. Milijas should have played anyway.
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No 73
sounds like your trying to convince yourself there mate
I wouldn’t be too worried about us at the moment, look out for your own
as for you starting to climb the table… well were 9 games in now – or a quarter of the season gone, feel free to start that climb as soon as possible before you really slip into trouble
you were lucky to stay up last season – pompey and hull imploded and burnley slipped into the final spot, theres no pompey or hull this season with financial mess lets see if you can manage the same this season.
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Elokobi played well at LB last night. Van damme is also available. Who will play at LB on Saturday ? Yes it will be Ward !
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George and Mouyo must start on Saturday. George did really well last night and passed and linked decently too. Mouyo is the future.
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Man U bring on Gary Neville to contain Jarvis as Jarvis is killing Fabio.
He then leaves Neville for dead in a run down the wing, then MM takes Jarvis off.
Conused ? Can anyone explain, especially MM.
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JARVIS HAS TALENT, HOWEVER NOT ENOUGH TO WEAR THE ENGLAND SHIRT!!! MM OUT ASAP!!!!!
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laughed at wolf
Take a look at this comment:
JIWAL
October 25, 2010 at 10:48 pm
West Brom are a better side than Burnely were last season, and will NOT go down, so stop talking rubbish!
As for us, it’s simple maths… we need say 38 points to stay up…agree? We will lose all 10 games against the “big 5″… not get much from all of the local derbies…Blues, Villa, West Brom and Stoke… so pleas etell me where we are to get another 32 points from… thats say 8 wins and 8 draws… from the remaining fixtures
Morgan, you may as well shelve the plans now
And now this one:
Realisticwolf
October 25, 2010 at 7:29 pm
I wish some of you would stop comparing the Boggies with Hull and Burnley, you’re making us sound bitter and jealous. Let’s be honest, Albion have been up and down for years and know the Prem better than both of the latter teams. They also have a bigger squad than both Hull and Burnley (as has been proven with Dorrans unable to get in the team, Odemwingie being injured, Thomas being injured etc) so injuries and suspensions won’t hit them as hard as they did the others. They have played the traditional big 4 away already and have been beating the teams who many thought would be around them. Let’s congratulate them and hope and pray that we too go on a run like them and all the Midlands teams stay up.
Listen to fellow fans mate, they unlike you understand football.
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Look on the bright side. Couple of goals away at Old Trafford – this could be the turning point.
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Have to agree with Jiwal on this one.
Dont get me wrong I think we gave a good account of ourselves BUT. I have to think if West Ham,Wigan, Blackpool,or any of the other teams around us in the league has played this tie against Man Utd kids yesterday whether they would have really gone for broke and tried to win it. The problem is I think they would of- and they probably would have succeeded. For example this game was crying our for Miljas in the 2nd half but he didnt get the chance.
Winning games soon become a habit for players and managers, the same as losing games week after week. MM substitutions this season highlight a manager used to losing games and letting in late goals. At 2-2 I could see the third Utd goal coming.
I honestly beleive by taking Jarvis off and putting Bent on??? and not putting doyle on until a few minutes to go that he got confused and was looking for a draw.
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Another master stroke by MM last night, he takes our best player off with 4 mins to go, get yourself a watch MM. He might as well send Mancienne back to Chelsea, who by the way dont want him, holding midfield player what a joke, every time the ball came to him it was like a hot potato, he was partially to blame for the 2nd goal, first half our front two looked so rusty, I wonder why, was it the fact that they only get 2 and 4 minute game time, hopefully we can take the 2nd half performance on into our next game, Come on you wolves
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Don’t worry, Ward and Edwards will be back at the weekend Milijas will be on the bench and normality will be restored – no panic!
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please send mancienne back to chelsea he is completely useless can not mark cannot tackle and cannot make a decent pass could have been a different story had milijas played and please keep playing elekobi
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by the way foley is the best at right back
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88. Lets hope you can stay up too, good start exactly the same as Hull and Burnley accept I think they may have had more than 22k at their games?
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Paul Walsh summed the game up last night quite accurately – Wolves were undone by a bit of quality!
Not a lot but a bit of quality!!
We can keep making chances all day long but we need the quality to give us the end product – goals and lots of them.
Surely goals win games but we can’t score fro toffee at the moment.
Our game is 10 passes backwards, sideways and a punt forward fro Doyle to sweat after – CRAP!
Man U put the ball in our box after, on average 3 passes from defence – i watched the match twice.
We need an attack minded manager in todays game not a defender with no ambition.
Cheers Mick for all the effort but i’ve jumped off the fence now and you need to move back to the Championship where you have an effect in the top half of the table.
Lose again on Saturday he’s gone!
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Laughinwolf 98, please let it lie. Yes they are the enemy but actually most of us acknowledge that they are having a great season. Hull were poor all last season and their good start was the year before not last year. As for Burnley, they only imploded because their manager left to join someone else. Albions manager doesn`t look like he`s going anywhere.
So please button it, its making the rest of us all look very bitter.
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Laughingwolf – if your only ‘dig’ at us is about attendance figures we must be doing something right.
I dont see wigan being relegated purely on the basis they get rubbish gates?
As for you level headed wolves fans good luck for the rest of the season, and lets show everyone in december what a real derby is instead of the usual premier league rubbish
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Some thoughts about Saturday and Tuesday.
Saturday
Playing five in midfield gave us a few extra passing options coming forward since some of our midfield seem incapable of making runs into open spaces.
We also had Milijas who is currently our only midfielder who can control, dwell on and distribute the ball in front of him.
We got taken apart by two excellent passing moves that would have scored against many other premiership teams.
A general feeling of optimism despite the defeat.
Tuesday
Totally forgettable first half.
Much improved second half performance mainly down to Jarvis.
One observation though when comparing the two teams – MU’s defence have obviously been coached in close marking when defending (Our forwards were not given the time to turn with the ball) whereas MU’s forwards could receive the ball with their backs to the goal then turn then pass before they were tackled. This I think was a major difference between the two sides.
Good to see defenders getting on the scoresheet.
2 sloppy goals given away by MU midfielders starting moves and not being picked up on their way forward.
Overall not as optimistic as I was on Saturday. Tactics and coaching obviously in need of improvement.
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Laughingwolf,
Don’t think that name suits you at the moment. Wolves are more like Burnley and Hull. After all you cherry picked both those clubs. Take frobo’s advice as he seems like a level headed fellow.
All the best agaist Manchester City. JtH.
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Some positive perfomances last night but we should keep that in perspective. Probably the most inept MU side I’ve seen for a while.
That said we matched them and at times had the upper had. I’ve given our defence a hard time on this site but our strikers really need to deliver. We had enough chances on Saturday and last night to win both games. We’ll never keep many clean sheets, we are not good enough. Last season we were not creating many chances. This year we are not converting them. The two fullbacks score, that kind of sums it up.
Still, we need to get behind the team on Saturday. As for selection, reckon MM will revert to type. Disappointed his substitutions were not midfielders last night. It was clear to me the boys in the middle were getting overrun.
Here’s to Saturday and hope.
2-1 to Wolves!!
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West Brom are NOT like Hull and Burnley, we have 4 premiership seasons behind us. It seems some Wolves fans just cannot accept Albion have a decent side this year. When a player like Dorrans remains on the bench you know there’s strength in depth. Last night’s squad proves there’s cover in all positions. Odemwingie looked to be the goalscorer we were missing, but we’ve still picked up points without him. Thomas has been injured too, RDM simply adapts the system. West Brom have come from behind more often than not, that shows character. Carry on believing we’re like Hull and Burnley if you like, it will just hurt you more when we finish above a relegated Wolves!
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Man utd reserves were awful and we still couldnt beat them,…but we wasnt beaten by their team we were beaten by our own managers totally inept way of managing,….Milijas and Van Damme both played well Saturday and both NEED matches to get up to speed, can you think of a better way than last night,…lets be honest their faces dont fit!,…Jones and Mancienne total rubbish in the middle and parted more times than Moses did the Red Sea!.
MM said he took Jarvis off as he started to look jaded!!…he was awsome and was getting better as game went on…SEB must be totally deflated…MM will never play his best team as they might just prove him wrong!
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Laughingwolf, you remind me of a R.S.M. I once knew, even when you were impeccably turned out, he would tell you to get a haircut, because he couldn’t find anything else wrong, and it was just something for him to say, sound familiar? what next, the teas to sweet and the pies to cold? good grief!
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the carling cup tie would have been a good opportunity to give some players game time. both van damme and milijas need more game time to get sharper. this would have been an ideal game for both. it was good mccarthy rested ward as he will need to be sharp come saturday. i am like a lot of the writers and am beginning to lose patience.
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jarvis was amazing, hunt will be the same when fully fit, seb worked hard as did jones, the new lad at the back looked decent enough and when match fit with zubar will make up a great defence with foley and van dam either side hunt will offer protection, fletcher will click in time, he is to good not to, doyle is quality, i would like to see milijas given a chance but for who? henry’s steel is important and jones has player well
with a little luck and my new defence we will be fine, subs seb, jody, berra ward and hennessy
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Jeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,
it gets real boring here listening to you lot going on about wanting the baggies to do badly just because of where we are in the table.
Haven´t you lot got anything constructive to say?
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Fact: The young kid who came on for United was only on the pitch for 5 minutes before he scored. Meanwhile, Dopey Doyle was on for the same time and he could’nt score
Dopey cost £6.5 mill, and hasn’t scored yet this season. the kid only cost £7.5 mill and he has hit 6 already.
Well Muppet and Clipboard, which was the better buy?
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Please tell me why did Mr McCarthy take off the best player on the pitch Matt Jarvis, of course how silly of me if we win at Man Utd in the cup the fans will be expecting it every week, you know WINNING. I was very dissapointed with the team selection after last year. I was one of the first 11 people at the ground wearing a wolves top and with me boots but he didn’t pick me he certainly has the win mentality this year ;)
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And another thing I aint commented since last year so all I have to say is this, Mr McCarthy goes out and buys Burnley and Hull players who were relegated last year and he was also trying to buy the mercenaries from Portsmouth. For everyone who is raving about Hunt(who didn’t want to come to Wolves in january because he thought Hull had a better chance of staying up than Wolves) WAKE UP
we ARE going down
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CONGRATULATIONS TIPTON TOWN , damn proud of all of you, best of luck in teh 1st round proper
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Time and again, Wolves had been let down by late or last minute goals.
The focus and concentration of each player had to be addressed and full time is when the final whistle is blown.
Time for excuses are over and the team at this stage should be up in arms for the battle ahead and it must be so.
The abiltiy and skill is not in question but the focus and the “fire in the belly” of every player must be present to not only survive but to excel in this league.
Forward the Wolves…….
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I went to the match. Mancienne was to blame for leaving his man if he had not the mabey we could have won it but. Jarvis played brilliant Come on Capello Jarvis for England. Hunt played well but he is only 80 percent fit
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Lets cut to the quick. We’re going down unless Mick leaves. God help us Saturday
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Watched the game in a pub in Ireland, I know I may have had a few pints but I thought you played better than at anytime this season. We all know MM is an arse but if you take that performance into games against teams around you – Wigan, Stoke etc.. you have a chance.
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Wolves cannot win if they play with only one striker. you can’t keep defending you have to attack. loosing in the final minutes because the players defending are tired and loose concentration. so play with more strikers
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