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Cyril

Izzy Wizzy, let's get bizzy, but not at Chelsea hey ? Still arguing over a few quid and this is the London Money Monster.

The Real Bully Hoo.

Cyril.

Could this be because Chelsea don't want to set a precedent? At the moment they have it pretty much all their own way, they hoover up any promising young players and spit them out when they don't make it. If they agree to pay us what the lad might be worth it would open the floodgates for other clubs to challenge them.

Here's hoping for a victory for the little guy. It might explain the reason we didn't get Lukaku for the second season.

Cyril

You are right Bully, they don't want to pay the going rate and the rules are biased in their favour. Yet the money under discussion is nothing to Chelsea, Man.City, etc. If ever these clubs are allowed 'B' teams in the Leagues, the smaller clubs will fade away.

My ideal would be for the 'Big Six' to join a Euro League, leave the Prem and never come back or BE ALLOWED BACK !

The Real Bully Hoo.

Cyril.

Seconded.

Stokewolf64

"Thirded" Cyril... We can then build a proper England Team from proper English Clubs, for proper English Fans!!

UTW

Wardy

you lot do know west broms last game of the season had 4 english players in dont you? not saying the big 6 have more they actually used less bar liverpool but west brom dont exactly have a flurry of english players in the starting line up

CantelloRocket 78

To compete at top level, you need to bring in the best players you can, from wherever they're available-

if wolves got back in the top flight, and needed 11 players from the other side of the globe to survive, then that's what they'd target-

mentioning Albion having four English players on the pitch is a pretty pointless observation, and if we had eleven, I doubt they'd all be called up to make the next England line-up, even though Roy's got a soft spot for us, that'd be pushin' it a bit.....lol.

Wardy

its a pointless comment from cyril saying get rid of the big six and never come back because then we wouldnt have one of the best leagues in the world and the best players competing we would have an okay league with not much competition at high level so then our english players would be worse than they are now lol

CantelloRocket 78

There's been past articles in the national media speculating on the formation of a European 'Super league', with top clubs from each country breaking away to join it-

so Cyril voicing his views on the issue isn't pointless-

but a rival fan coming over here to make niggly criticisms of Baggies fans discussing issues with other Baggies fans most definitely IS pointless-

I could expand my argument, but as I believed you're basically just trying to score so-called Brownie points, I can't be arseked......

Jack the Hat

E.P.P.P. need to be fair to all clubs and make the big boys buy the kids licenses at an arranged fee put forward by the license owning club. After all it is a costly business running an Academy then having the produce virtually stolen from under a clubs nose.

Albion kids have a fine, proven coaching team watching over their progression through the school. To them I say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Onward and upward with the Albion.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

Codsallman

Perhaps you should change your name to Jack the Twat.

Quote " Albion kids have a fine, proven coaching team watching over their progression through the school. To them I say >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

You ain't had a kid come through the ranks since Asa Hartford

The Real Bully Hoo.

Codpiece.

Codswallop!

Jack the Hat

Codsallman,

Dawson ( Wasn't the finished article when he came to us ), Berahino, O'Neil, Hurst, Thorne, Brown, Wood and five lads who went to Walsall, all would have got in your squad at that time.

Now get on with learning tiddlywinks, idiot.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

telford baggie

what youngsters are good enough to be playing in the premier league have we got any? this will be another reason why irvine got the job and exactly why we will be fighting relegation. if there good enough then fair enough but havent seen or heard anything to suggest otherwise

cosy baggie

telford, you are spot on, we are trying to do it on the cheap,I thought we got near on 70 million from the premier league, and at the moment we have signed two players that were out of contract.

baggiebornandbred

hi both,

could you please tell me your extensive knowlegde of our reseves and youth system as its seems you know more about it than most of us, and if your wandering where 70m goes 70m in the current game does nowhere is lescott has signed a two year contract on 50000 thats 4.8 million just in one guys wage, the apperence bonus performance related bonus, its probably close to 6m in two years, i know its frustrating but 70m in football today is nothing

The Real Bully Hoo.

Got it in a nutshell BBAB. Good post.

The Real Bully Hoo.

I know some will say this is the club doing it on the cheap. I disagree and see it as a good thing. Back in the 60's, young lads like Bomber, Asa Hartford and many others came virtually straight from the youth team to the first team. Some made it and others didn't but our kids always got the chance if they were good enough.

The last time our young players provided the backbone of the team were from the crop that included Derek Statham, Bryan Robson and others. The major reason for this was the arrival of BFR and his reliance on ready made players and his neglect of our development system, something that was never put right until recently.

Hopefully the success of Southampton's youngsters combined with Alan Irvine's influence and input will mean a steady stream of youngsters coming through.

AndyH

Hi mate,

until recently with sadio, Thorne and the departed Izzy all getting chances in the first team our youth development has been sporadic at best. The chambers twins came through and did well but you then have to look a little further back.....and the list does not make for good reading really....players like (I think anyway) Roy Hunter....Scott darton who tried hard but for whatever reason it didn't happen for them.

Personally I hanker for a majority first 11 that have all come through the ranks with 2 or 3 quality signings to augment what is there. I'd love a "Lisbon Lions" Albion side really - one day it might happen.

maybe this article is also a little bit of toffee to Thorne as well....just to remind him that there is a route for him to play quicker than he thinks if he impresses in pre-season....

all in all the noises coming out of the club at the moment are very encouraging......I'm waiting for something bad to happen but....all seems like things are settling down nicely...

now if Chelski can just pay up and end the situation..

hope you're well

AndyH

Jack the Hat

Bully,

May I also add the great Bobby Hope also Kenny Foggo.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

Streetlybaggie

Back in the 60s youngster's coming through like Hope ,Brown, Robertson & Hartford to a certain extent stayed with the club but looking at Southampton they have had their team ripped apart this summer including the manager.

What worries me again is with 19 players and 3 goalkeepers there is not a chance in this world that we will take a cup competition seriously even after 5 seasons in the prem.

So what is it all about, the club has been built up solidly where we are in a position to try and compete for a cup but no they don't want to know.

Cyril

And that Streetly, sums up the Prem. Southampton are funded and still get ripped apart by the so-called big clubs. No wonder old gits like me have fond memories of the old days.

AndyH

Hi Streetly,

don't know about the cups mate....I see your point but with 19 out field players it would leave a clear pathway for the kids coming through to get into the squad.....especially if the draw is favourable.

Irvine could make 3 or 4 changes...not the 8 or 9 as in recent years....rest a few and bring the kids in knowing that there are good pro's around them to talk them through the game....

I know it can be seen to be not taking cups seriously but if we carry a 25 man squad then there is less chance of the kids coming through..and it has worked for arsenal...and that's what the academy should be doing in my view....making sure that the kids can step up

regards mate

AndyH

Streetlybaggie

Andy,

I think carrying a 22 man squad that includes 3 keepers is playing a very dangerous game with the injuries, suspensions and without been funny the way Jeremy gets rid of any player at any time if negotiations with their contracts are not agreeable.

Remember we were very lucky last season and cannot afford any more huge mistakes that were made last season.

The cups, its our only route for any kind of success and in my opinion with the prudent measures over the last 12 years we should be in a position to meet that challenge as well as aiming for survival.

As mentioned so often in the past, its the cups that have made us famous but I know for a fact that success in the cup would mean Europa league football to which Jeremy will not tolerate at any time in the future and certainly not with a 22 man squad.

AndyH

Hi mate,

I not sure about this....but do academy players count in the squad? Is it a maximum of 25 plus any academy players we promote? If it is it might not be as risky as you think. We could have the 19 "first choice" and then it's on the academy players to force the issue and make Irvine have a tough decision.

I do see your point about the cups and our history....but I do believe that with JP being more hands on this term (as we've been led to believe) we won't make the same mistakes as last time out....and I think that Irvine will try and make a point after all the hullabaloo about his appointment....and put out strong sides in the cups.....or I might be kidding myself already.

Either way....interesting times mate

regards

AndyH

The Real Bully Hoo.

Hi Streetly.

The thing is and it isn't the first I've said it, we can't keep a squad of reserves that are as good as the first XI. Midfield striker and CH can be chopped and changed to give them all a game.

In the specialist positions and LB is probably the most specialist we will end up with players like Popov who are not quite up to it or somebody like Nicky Shorey when he was just past his best. A quality LB won't sit on our bench.

The other alternative is to have either Chris Brunt or a youngster filling in when the first choice is out. I'm not saying this is ideal or what I'd want but it might be the best alternative.

Midlands

Must agree with Terry burton but everyone knows if the money's there what can any club do to stop ambition from a player if he thinks he's good enough to play in the first team at his club and he does'nt get that chance.

Codsallman

It's the coaching staffs way of saying " Jeremy sez there ay no monay ta spend"

The Real Bully Hoo.

Codpiece.

Codswallop Mk II.

Codsallman

Limited vocabulary then Hoo?

Typical Boggy.....Boing Boing hahaha

CantelloRocket 78

Codpiece-

limited vocabulary?-

try Johnson, O'Hara, Ward, Doyle, no-spend Moxey, Chumpionship-

or just typical Deluded 'Double Drop' Dingle-

errr...... hahaha.......

The Real Bully Hoo.

Codpiece.

I have an adequate vocabulary but don't believe in wasting it.

Jack the Hat

Codsallman,

I like wolves squad of " We want to stay " big earners who are giving your Academy squad strength in depth. Well done Kenny, what a boss.

Gorra loff ay ya.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

The Real Bully Hoo.

Just saw Chile lose, shame.

They had a good lad playing left side of defence even though he missed his penalty.

Wish we had him.

Codsallman

Dream on.........hahaha

CantelloRocket 78

Codpiece-

I didn't see the game, but I assume Bully meant Jara, a former Baggie-

'dream on'? - looks like you don't know what day it is.....

another dense dingle falls flat on his face-

errr.....hahaha.......

where do they get these twonks from.....???

The Real Bully Hoo.

Rocket.

Did Baldrick wear a codpiece. 'Irony, it's like goldy and bronzy but it's made of iron.'

Cyril

Codpiece, I'll bet you change your name before Christmas if Kenny is being got at by your tolerant supporters.

capehill

Jara was unlucky, but Brasil to win the world cup, cant see it.

Web Storm Baloni

All this speculation is all well and good, lads and lasses, but apart from fanciful flights of fantasy, the real thing is... We offloaded 10 players since last season.... We brought in 2 ... Now then, gifted and geared up these 2 may be... even with a lot of help and hard work from the reserves lads, 2 men can't replace 10.... dare i say it:- even a Wolves fan could explain this one...

Pepe Mel says we need 7-8 players, so OUT HE GOES...! NO CHUCKING FANCE of that, my mate so off you go...

Alan Irvine comes in, Ah magic...! We only need 6-7 players now.... So now we have our 2 heroes... and just lucky dip speculation of new possibilties... And a hazy hue of ah... lets get the young lads from the reserves- they''ll do...

I really do hope that all this bright and clever stuff works... As for me, I tend to think this is going to be a long long season...

Good luck lads... do your best...

Cannockbaggie

Can only see this as another fob of for the club to not spend money, another frustrating pre season again watching and waiting on players in. Wen do we come back to training is it July ?

The Real Bully Hoo.

Keep moaning lads.

It really makes me appreciate the way I am.

I look forward full of hope.

I enjoy our club being in the PL not the championship.

I enjoy that we can afford to buy decent players instead of looking around the bargain basement.

I find it exciting waiting to see who we will sign.

I look forward to young players breaking through.

Is there something wrong with me?

Whatever it is long may it last.

CantelloRocket 78

Bully,

not long got home, but it seems nothing changes-

I can spot lamentable dingles, trolly boy playing his old tricks, the 'usual suspect' JP knockers, who were quiet when we signed Lescott, but then jump on the first opportunity to have another dig at him, and the 'negative nellies' who're already worrying about where we'll be in 12 months time-

to repeat what's been said before - that goodness we're not fighting in the trenches with some of this lot.......

AndyH

Morning Rocket,

there are 2 ways to look at the squad situation imo....get the 25 and stick with them no matter what (thus all but ending the pathway form academy) or have the 22 of the required quality and tell the academy players that it's there for the taking.....

although at the moment I keep veering between deliriously positive and/or waiting for it all to implode....I think that carrying the smaller squad and encouraging the academy lads is the right way for us next term. it may end up helping Thorne to stay....help push other up to the plate...

and if there are issues then come January we can still reinforce knowing that there are 3 places in the squad available.

Saw both Chile and Columbia last night....and there are good players in both squads there that are available...

todays a positive one for me......

regards mate

AndyH

CantelloRocket 78

Andy,

alright mate?

Yes my friend, it's all about balance-

last season we had experienced international players on good salaries that didn't even make the 18 strong match day squad - we need to give the kids a chance, whilst adding flexible quality within the regular line-up, and eliminating financial waste-

it's all part of a well run club and business, I leave it to the experts, unless I can do better myself....

Hope you're keeping well, and see you next season?

Jack the Hat

Lads,

I look at the likes of Thorne, O'Neil and room has to be made in the squad for them to stake a claim as I see it. The Academy belt must not jamb up.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

The Real Bully Hoo.

Morning Rocket and welcome home.

Perhaps we should compare ourselves with the other local clubs.

Villa.

European Cup winners.

22 years in the PL and the rewards that provides.

Bought by multi-millionaire who pumped money in.

Bigger catchment area than us as a Birmingham club.

Bigger ground than us.

Now scrapping with us to be top Midland club.

Birmingham City.

Bought twice by multi-millionaire owners who pumped money in.

Fighting against liquidation and hoping for a 3rd Fairy Godmother.

Wolves.

Bought twice by multi-millionaire owners who have pumped money in.

Ground bought by council to rescue club.

Failed to make any impression on the PL.

Dropped to 3rd division and now hoping to storm championship with a collection of other championship club cast offs.

Coventry.

Where do I start, perhaps the less said the better.

My point is that all of these clubs have been ahead of us in the last 15 years. They have all received massive cash injections compared to us. They all have bigger catchment areas than us and on it goes.

Before we start moaning that we aren't splashing money around like a lottery winner we should try counting a few of our blessings.

CantelloRocket 78

Bully,

thanks mate-

yep, it could always be better - as I'm sure we'd all like - but it could also be a damn site worse-

as long as we have our status and financial strength, we 're still in control of our future, lose our foundations, and we 're at the mercy of outside forces......and that's a scenario back to the nightmare 1990s......no thanks.

ELDERVO

Enjoy it while you can Bully, only a few short weeks left of speculative positivity before stark reality hits. Once the new season starts and the points fail to wrack up there'll be nowhere to hide and no excuses for lack of investment. Academy kids may be viable to a point in the 3rd div and arguably in the chump, but the prem, as you yourself have pointed out ad nausium, is a whole different ball game. The lads coming through your academy are no better than ours at this stage, and again as you and many others have said before NONE of our players would get into your side. Doesn't quite add up does it?

Still like the sound of Irvine though but not sure he'll get the tools to do the job. He'll either work miracles or be a spectacular failure..... not long to wait now to find out.

UTW

Cyril

And that, Mr. TRBH is a perfect summary of the West Midlands football clubs since, (and maybe a little before), the inauguration of the bloody Premiership. (I nearly typed a different last letter). We've been up and down like a fiddler's elbow in that time but we still exist and are in the black.

I won't include the yampy creeps who pretend to be Baggies in this bit, but for REAL Baggies, be proud and carry on regardless.

The Real Bully Hoo.

Rocket.

You beat me to it. The word irony really has been omitted from the Wolverhampton dickshunery.

Shropshirebaggy

Did you have to check that we were still in the Premier League, I get confused sometimes with all this dings on here, I have to check that they've not just won the Champions League for the 3rd year in a row and we've just been demoted to the Blue Square!

CantelloRocket 78

Shroppy,

you have gorra loff, eh?

I've lost count how many wolves fans have come over here in previous summers telling us what WILL happen in the future - step forward, Marbella's Mystic Meg - when in fact none of us know what will happen in a minute's time, let alone further on - thus is their deluded arrogance.

I don't take much notice of what happens at our neighbours, but if I'm not mistaken, they have an owner who doesn't like to waste his money, highly-paid players they can't get off their payroll, and half a dozen tough games to kick-off their new season-

if they start badly - and based on past history - they'll have furious fans hurling abuse at Morgan and Moxey, with major problems developing, so coming over here to tell us how WE stand is nothing more than a pathetic form of criticism, based on jealousy - I'd suggest they focus on their own club's predicament instead of trying to pester us.....

Jack the Hat

Bully,

Albion scrimp because our club want to.

wolves scrimp because F.F.P.D. say they have to.

Codfinfan,

Gorra loff ay ya.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

THEGREENMAN

As long as our current crop of Academy players remain with us and don't get poached, as has happened before, they will all gain from the influence of Alan Irvine's coaching methods. It is great to hear form Burton/ Irvine that they all have a chance to progress right through to the 1st team. Maybe George Thorne should sit up and take note.

Bully, it's not difficult to see from your post which Midlands club has the most stability, Even a Dingle should understand that. Wait a minute what am I saying ----- must be time for more therapy.

THEGREENMAN

Web Storm Baloni

Mr. Bully who, you're a man of great insight. I salute you, You denizen of West Brom. It's good to see folk like you who are the real lifeblood of the club... Even Jack should doff his hat...

Good luck lads... Do your best...

The Real Bully Hoo.

Very good feature about Jason Van Blerk in another paper. Here are some quotes from him that may give pause for thought.

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Van Blerk divided opinion during his three-year spell but he maintains that he held a decent relationship with the supporters.

“It was a good club to play for and it was a forgiving club,” he added. “If you did something bad they always supported you and believed in you but other clubs, they didn’t.

“Sometimes fans (of other clubs) would get on your back and put unnecessary pressure on you.

“The Baggies were great. They understood that there were times you were going to have bad games but they knew that other times you would have great games.

“It was great there, really good fun.”

“I was walking across the road from the SCG and I bumped into these Baggies fans.

“One of the guys recognised me and he said: “Is that JVB, I can’t believe it’s you!?”

“I think England got spanked that day but I seemed to have made his day.

“It’s crazy to think that they still recognise me ten years after I left England. The Baggies were great to me. I really appreciate it. To be walking into a pub and they recognise you straight away, it’s crazy.”

*********************

Could it be that we didn't have our PL supporters back then.

capehill

Bully, try and tell, the dingles, that we are EPL, and they aint, its impossible. DE NILE is not just a River in Egypt. boing boing

capehill

Bully , I went to a job in deepest Somerset, low and behold, who was painting and decorating, Adrian Foster, now manager of Frome Town (Bigger than Wulbin yampton). what a top man, he was an Albion player in the late nineties and scored twice, in 29 appearances, but still nice to meet the bloke. boing boing

The Real Bully Hoo.

I remember him Capey but don't think I'd recognise him now so well done on that one.

Wardy

what a shocker no mention of thorne, the player you guys apparently want to keep and is top prospect and could break into the first team this season yet hes not even included, and you wonder why he wants to leave?? you dont need to fill his head with talk of moving on when his own club release this story about 'we want to keep pathway open for youngsters' and dont include him in it!!

we have scott allen on trial with us atm another one of your 'future players' and yet he went out on loan and then never made a first team appearance, you guys even said....

'This is a player that we think, in the next few years, will be an important player for the club, He is a technical player who is not too dissimilar to Graham Dorrans. He can pick a pass, has good feet, and is not afraid to put a foot in. But we must be mindful that he is a young player and, although he will become part of the first-team squad, we will give him time to acclimatise to the demands of the Barclays Premier League.'

and now your doing it again with thorne, you will say you want him and always have yet i bet you would rather loan him out again and he will eventually get sold because you dont want him.

The Real Bully Hoo.

Yeah some players like Scott Allan look good at a young age but don't make it and end up at a much lower level.

Nobody's fault just the way things are, luckily there are low league teams where these lads will still get a good pay day.

PS.

Are you saying Wolves don't let any of there young players go after bigging them up as the next big thing? How about Zeli Ismael, the next Beckham, worth £100 mill. Going out on loan again to Barcelona? Bayern Munich? Benfica? No. Burton Albion.

Perhaps Thorne deliberately wasn't mentioned because he's in dispute with the club. Never thought of that I suppose.

Shropshirebaggy

He did think of it but to mention it wouldn't suit his agenda would it! Typical troll, why let facts get in the way of a good attempt at trouble making!

Wardy

i did think of that but all you lot keep bangin on about is how he should apologise to the club for being disloyal, and yet you post this article and dont include thorne in it dispite terry burton saying only last week that you have no intention of selling him and you have high hopes for him!! its not trouble making its trying to understand what you are doing you either want him or you dont its not that difficult had you included him in this article im sure he would have felt wanted and made more of an effort to push for the first team but when your talking up young players mention 3 and forget him in it why would he want to stay at west brom? all your doing is being pety and childish ( and before you say it george thorne is hardly being pety and childish either he has handed in a transfer request twice because he wants to leave, hes played a few games at derby enjoyed it and wants to stay) im not saying derby are a better club you lot are in the prem and we arent but if the lad wants to leave tell derby how much they will either pay or they wont end of

The Real Bully Hoo.

Perhaps if he was so unhappy he should have thought twice before signing a new contract for more money recently.

Definition of contract.

A written or spoken agreement, especially one concerning employment, sales, or tenancy, that is intended to be enforceable by law:

This contract offered no guarantee that he would automatically be given a first team place (or even a birthday cake) The accepted rule is that you earn that by your own efforts.

The loyalty aspect refers to repaying the money the club has invested and the faith put in him. I suspect that if the club decided to sack him, he would expect his contract to be paid up.

It's not a one way street.

THEGREENMAN

Wardy

Do you just read the headline or the whole report??

When Terry Burton mentioned O'Brien/Daniels and Roofe he was talking of players who were actually at the club at that time, which was towards the end of the season.

George Thorne was at your ''beloved'' Derby being got at by who knows who, so why would he mention George Thorne ?? Terry Burton/ Alan Irvine have said enough on the George Thorne threads to tell you and all the rest of your (RAM)shackle crowd, that he is part of our plans until we decide otherwise.

Do yourself and your lot a favour, move onto the Wolves site, it's more in keeping with your stature.

THEGREENMAN

Shropshirebaggy

Cyril

In reply to your post above, on the other hand them lot down the road are still struggling to offload Johnson and Doyle, the way things are going they'll have to pay someone to have him, and with only 2 seasons left of parachute money, the need is growing, gorra laugh ay ya!

The Real Bully Hoo.

Not just those two Shroppy, they've got nearly a team full, they've had to move most of the youth team out of the dressing room to make room for them.