West Ham 3 West Brom 3 - match report and pictures

Nicolas Anelka’s first two West Brom goals helped caretaker boss Keith Downing claim a third successive draw in a thriller at Upton Park.

Saido Berahino also scored a fine goal as the Baggies battled back from 1-0 down to lead 2-1 but had to stage their own fightback to claim a point after falling 3-2 behind.

They trailed to Joe Cole’s opener but Anelka’s five-minute double handed Downing’s men a 2-1 half-time lead.

Two goals in three minutes from Modibo Maiga and Kevin Nolan then gave the Hammers the lead but Berahino struck just two minutes later for Albion.

And the young striker was denied a second goal by the woodwork late on.

Albion made a promising start as Berahino caught Razvan Rat in possession to spark a move that ended with James Morrison’s cross from the right being volleyed into the side netting by Chris Brunt at the far post.

But direct from the goal-kick that followed, the Hammers went ahead courtesy of some shoddy Baggies defending.

They failed to deal with a high ball, Carlton Cole won a header and, with the visitors ball-watching, Joe Cole exchanged passes with Nolan, darted behind Jonas Olsson and produced an emphatic finish.

Albion had a more promising spell after conceding the goal and a Morrison backheel narrowly failed to find Berahino in the six-yard box.

But their brief period of momentum petered out quickly and the hosts took charge again.

And the Hammers might have doubled their lead on the half-hour when a Carlton Cole knock-down found substitute Guy Demel, whose shot struck Ben Foster’s left-hand upright.

And moments later Mark Noble bent a 20-yard free-kick just off target.

The Baggies appeared to be lacking inspiration until Anelka’s two goals in just over six minutes turned the game on its head.

In the 40th minute Youssouf Mulumbu found Chris Brunt, whose magnificent through-ball found Anelka racing behind the hosts’ defence, with the Frenchman producing a fine finish.

And 17 seconds into stoppage-time Brunt’s corner found the head of Jonas Olsson, whose header was cleared off the line, only for Anelka to force home the rebound.

Anelka had a chance to complete his hat-trick just three minutes into the second half as Mulumbu’s fine, raking pass found Billy Jones on the right and his near-post cross picked out the Frenchman.

But Anelka’s flick towards goal was saved by keeper Jussi Jaaskelainen.

And moments later another Albion attack saw James Morrison’s pull-back find Berahino, who dragged a shot just wide of the far post.

The Baggies conceded a dangerous free-kick just outside their own penalty area, but Joe Cole blasted high and wide after it was taken short by Noble.

But the Hammers had their chances too, with Foster pulling off a fine, flying save to keep out a curling shot from half-time substitute Maiga.

Then, three goals in a breathless five minutes took fans on an emotional rollercoaster.

On 65 minutes, Maiga collected a pass from Nolan and his shot hit his team-mate, taking it past a wrong-footed Foster to make it 2-2, although the Baggies keeper might have done better.

Two minutes later, after Albion failed to clear a corner, a cross from Noble was headed down by Maiga and Nolan turned it in.

And only two minutes more had passed when Brunt found Berahino, who tricked his way past Demel and produced an outstanding finish off the far post to level the scores again.

With nine minutes remaining Albion were agonisingly close to regaining their lead.

Brunt was fouled by Diame inches outside the West Ham area and Berahino curled the free-kick against Jaaskelainen’s left-hand upright.

Comments for: "West Ham 3 West Brom 3 - match report and pictures"

Medway Baggie

Not sure about three at the back, but from what I could catch, watched the match on SS1 at work, in between working it was an entertaining match. Berahoino's free kick was sublime and as good a kick as Beckham could manage.

Golf One Charlie Bravo Kilo

Medway Baggie

Either this keyboard is nanf or I'm a crepe typist. It's probably the later. Yes it should be Berahino, I don't know where the first o came from.

Golf One Charlie Bravo Kilo

Old Wulfrunian

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

Jack, are you ok? I was expecting a contribution from you tonight after only gaining a point when you deserved all 3. If you're gonna play hard to get I may decide to test my mettle on other worthy contributors. Let us know if you've gone into hibernation and is so could you look after my tortoise?

Jack the Hat

Old Wulfrunian,

Keep dreaming sonny, sorry I've been enjoying my holiday and doing my family tree. My dad was a Villa fan but no-one so far as I know apart from my half brother was a Dingle. I'm chuffed apart from two declivitous ways of those near and dear to me. Keep it coming I will be here. I'm watching Hereford v Forest Green Rovers at the moment, they are a cut above your club.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

Old Wulfrunian

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

Jack, good to hear from you mate and also nice to hear that you’re making headway with your genealogical research.

As someone who was born in Wednesbury, roughly halfway between West Brom and Wolverhampton, football allegiances in my street were split down the middle. I followed my father’s team of choice when I started taking an interest and the rest is history.

In my teens I used to go fishing along the canals off Leabrook Road but I’ve never visited the waterways of Hereford and Forest Green, even though you say their cut is better than those hereabouts. Be that as it may, I think I think I’ll continue fishing the local canals – if you’re in the area you can drop at in any time.

simmo54

I am disappointed - although grateful - with just a draw.

Downing not afraid to try new things - I was surprised with his team selection, but on the whole it worked - except for LUGANO who is not a Prem player.

Mulumbu put in a great shit, Jonas was fantastic at the back - Saido was superb and Nico scored 2 goals and never came out for the second half.

Jeffersobiwan

I missed the amazing Mulumbu event you refer to! SURELY a red card needed.

Gabbys Elbow

LOL - quality post simmo!

Cyril

The keyboard is not the only place where the I and the O are too close together ! I'm still choking laughing. Well done E&S for not editing. LOL

Jack the Hat

simmo54,

Mulumbu didn't put in nowhere near as much smelly stuff as Whammers, they kicked us off the park. Olsson ( With two mighty vicious stud marks across his thigh ), Mulumbu, G-Mac and Brunt were the worst hit. Retrospective camera action should be shown to the powers that be and action taken. How Carlton Cole remained on the park only the referee could say, that guy is an out and out assassin, twice over. Some of our players will be missing on Wednesday through injury, causing a knock on effect that could help the hammers to stay up. I remember when the London club were a good footballing one. When are these so called referees going to be sorted out for the sake of " Fairness in Football ".

Disgusted.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

Mboy

Better point for us than them, but frustrated that we didn't win as they were poor and ready for the taking. As well as his two goals, Anelka had a good game and Berahinio certainly knows where the goal is!! Feel much happier with Downing rather than Clarke!!

2 points from the 2 games in London is a good return, but only if we can win on New Year's Day.

AndyL

An exciting game for the last hour for the neutral but whilst we have earned a point I see that as two valuable points dropped against a very poor west ham side.

At the mid point of the season and seventeen points is a poor return and suggests that it's going to be a long nervy second half to the season.

Good to see Anelka finally score (perhaps time to retire now on a high)and berahino continue to grow in confidence, the difficult decision to make now is to install the new manager and there appears to be very few options available that look inspiring.

We are told there's no money to improve the squad, with money having been poorly spent in the summer, no decent candidates to take the job, so over to you JP to get us out of this mess because this time in my humble opinion, and I really hope I'm wrong but I think your luck may just have run out

superwestbrom

Decent point ,got to keep the momentum going

johnstanley1954babe

what a tremendous game of football whn you play a 3 6 1 formation like we have played in the last 2 matches i feel you can play botn berahino and vydra in the side together. saido was absolutely magnificent today. his movement off the ball is different class.you have two options of playing one of gera or anelka behind saido and matej to give these 2 boys quality balls with thir pace and movement. hopweverif we only sign 1 player in the january transfer window it must be a new left back. lugano was also poor today for goals 1 and 2 conceded even though the second goal was 1 yard offside. so if we are to continue to play 3 central defenders which i agree with as ifeel dawson mcauley and olsen looks a better option of the 2 back 3s played in the last 2 games as i feel luganu as to many mistakes in is legs through is lack of pace.jeremy please give keith downing the temporary head coaches job until may 11th as we cannot chance another 6 weeks of experimentin under a new manager in our current league positions. more performances like the last 2 matches should just about keep us safe provided you give THE NEW TEMPORARY COACHES JOB TO MR KEITH DOWNING UNTIL MAY 11TH AND THEN HAVE A RE THINK IN THE SUMMER. COME ON YOU BAGGIES THE GAMES AT TOTTENHAM AND WEST HAM HAVE SURELY SET THE STANDARD FOR THE LAST 19 GAMES BRING IT ON

Brierleyhillbaggie

Good post not too sure about the new manager bit ?? But kd ain't done too much wrong. We got a few players you could play behind them two. Good read

Jack the Hat

johnstanley1954babe,

........ gera or anelka behind saido and matej .......

Love it, Gera and Anelka could share the work load during a match. About time the number of substitutions were increased per match, to keep the Premiership games boiling, in my opinion.

Cheers for your good post.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

P.S. GORGE THORNE, any news.

Brierleyhillbaggie

A decent performance all round really. One off there goals was off side and foster would save that goal 99 times out off 100. I don't blame bf though its one off them things. Glad too see nico get off the mark. Hopefully he will show what he can do now cause he had a good game today. If he plays around the eighteen yard box I think he will score plenty. It's also my opinion that berahino should start every game now and if you can do it start vydra along side him as they both have pace and both know where the goal is.

Danish Baggie

Well done. Good point and happy we did'nt lose.

Did'nt get o see the Spurs game, where some on here suggested that Ridgewel had good game. Today he did'nt. Lets just leave it tere.

Brunt....hmmm....think he hada bad game, butyou have to gie it to the boy, that he had 2 1/2 assists. Not sure about him though.

Now we need to decide to stick with Downing or get a new manager in ASAP. Having played so many diferent players in the last 3 games, could serve us well later.

Good games from Morrison, Mulumbu and Barahino but MOTM Anelka, not just for the goals.

Jeffersobiwan

Clear handball for one of their goals which made Foster look bad.

Happy now with a point but these are the games we need to win against the teams in the lower regions of the table.

Anyway. Well done Keith and the players

Danish Baggie

Looks like Anelka could be in trouble

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-anelka-accused-antisemitism-39-quenelle-39-144749922--sow.html

Jeffersobiwan

Forgot to mention the two appalling tackles - one on Olsson and one on Brunt - which only brought a yellow card. What has happened this season?. In previous seasons they would have been red cards. Referees are letting too much go these days. They are career threatening tackles.

Gabbys Elbow

This is symptomatic of the season so far for the Albion.......more possession and more shots on target than West Ham, yet we still only get a draw....albeit a great one, which sounded like a real thriller (its never great listening on the radio - my nerves are shot!).

I'm not being negative, as I'm really delighted that we have "shown up" since SC was sacked - fair play to Keith D for changing the team and getting some goals out of anelka.....maybe he can only play well for us when we play the counter attacking game? Do we get more of the ball when we play the 3 centre halves, and push the full backs into midfield?

Anyway, the point I make is that we are still a decent team, and whoever comes in just needs to help us find the net and we should be good for another season in the PL?

capehill

what a game, hard to swallow a draw , but a point is good. Nearly 20 pts , halfway there, I just cant see us not getting the big forty, that's 3 more wins and a draw over twenty games. Our squad is more than capable of putting a run together. well-done KD

The Grassy Knoll

Are you sure about your calculations? 3 wins and a draw will only yield 10 points.

Gabbys Elbow

Despite being the joint highest scoring game in the PL today, what's the betting we are still the last match on MOTD tonight?

Jack the Hat

Another good away point after the shortest break in the holiday fixtures. I can't believe only Jeffersobiwan has mentioned the West Ham thuggery. Olsson nearly had his leg ripped open by studs, then G-mac came in for some more off Cole. How that guy was still on the park at half time, only the officials know. Brunt had his ankle studded into the turf, which should have seen their player having an early bath. Now Mulumbu tripped over himself and got a booking. Bet we have some sore shanks tomorrow, One of their goals was an hand ball shortly before it reached the scorer. Another was blatantly off-side. Downing and the lads whoever he calls up are standing up to be counted. I humbly apologize to Anelka as he was outstanding while he was on the park. Berahino was my * Star-man *. Keep this type of effort up and I'm sure we can get the twenty-two points to reach the magical forty or even more. Come on, seven wins and a draw.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

Cyril

That was a game to warm the heart, send it into panic, bite off fingernails, etc. OK, we should have won it but West Ham had a vociferous crowd willing them on and the commentators were somewhat biased too.

Keith Downing is showing ideas that work and with more match practice, take us flying upwards. We are starting to remember what Morrison, Brunt and a few others can really do with encouragement. OK, there were errors, but some of both teams must have been on their knees towards the end. The ref overall had a good one but was too lenient with a couple of truly vicious tackles from West Ham.

What Keith needs now is a good win. We have a toughie coming up, What better time ?

Ronnie Allen

Well summed up Major. Tally ho.

Cyril

I see, Private AllenWulfie, that you are also in favour of blood sports. You obviously have read my comment on foxes on the 'Hunt Ban' site. One more admission of a sick mind. If Anelka is found guilty of his racist gesture, he should be banned for several games, regardless of how much we made need him. My sympathies lie with the Israeli people, surrounded by states all dedicated to destroying them.

Ronnie Allen

I once sold my rabbit for a bag of radishes.

Also, could you please give us your expert opinion on the current crisis in Ukraine?

capehill

hi grassy knoll, I stand corrected, I was having a blond moment lol lol

Woodman Corner Jake

Well-deserved point; overall we were the better side and unlucky not to secure all three points.

Not sure about three centre halves marking one lumbering ineffective striker...we certainly looked more fluid and created more chances when we reverted to a flat back four. This should have been done much earlier.

I know the theory that having three centre-halves with two attacking wing-backs allows you to play two up front. Liverpool have done this with sone success this season - but as good as Anelka and Berahino were today ( a 'work-in-progress') they are not Suarez and Sturridge; also our full-backs are not quite good enough in this formation......Jones is good going forward but still suspect defending and Ridgewell is a natural centre half being asked to play on the flank. Perhaps Brunt would be better-suited at the back in this formation.

However it's all academic until the powers-that-be appoint a new Head Coach. The Board is beginning to look as clueless as the Villa side.

The squad has sufficient experience and skill; what is needed is a good tactician with motivational powers......based on their reputation, either as a coach or player. We almost need the 'Keegan affect'. Hoddle, Zola - even Solskjaer- may provide this..........all have achieved honours in the game at a level slightly higher than we may aspire to. Going for a journeyman coach doesn't make sense whatsoever; we've got rid of a top coach and top man. If this is to appear as something other than an act to appease the Chairman's vanity, he needs to bring in the right man.......and if that man wants his own number two and Physio ( a crucial role in any club) then so be it.

Mboy

The Board will NOT act in haste and repent at leisure. I think that it is YOU that is clueless!

DwarfzappA

Woodman Corner Jake > stood there many a game Jake when the old east stand was chocker.

I have to read some posts twice (bit slow on the up take) ;-))

I fully understand where you are coming from, you make some interesting points and I can only agree mate.

Not so sure about the ''However it's all academic..................'' paragraph.

Them Baggie Boys

do lallytap

Interesting couple of games and I think a point at Spurs was a cracking result and YES I am happy with a point at the Hammers yesterday but it could quite easily have been 3 points.

Anelka...Lets not beat around the bush here, nice for him to score 2 but my granddaughter could have scored those goals, my next door neighbour, our dustbin man....anyone in an Albion shirt so if Long had been there, Rosenberg, Anichibe...ANYONE and I mean anyone would have scored those so lets not get carried away here...where the hell was he second half.

As for that celebration, I never saw it until I got home and I knew straight away what it was all about, as did he WITHOUT ANY SHADOW OF DOUBT he knew EXACTLY what it was about.....Was I offended NO, I wasn't, as I am not offended with most things that upset the mambie pambie brigade who sit waiting, dribbling, for someone to do something against the minority who are "offended", in fact that salute was made up to show their support against the establishment that is in force occupancy in Israel so it isn't racist in any way no more than it's racist when we stand to applaud Nelson Mandella who started out against the establishment but thats a different story.

Back to real issues, Brunty or Gera....give me Gera any day, a completely different attacking drive with Gera in.

Newcastle is going to be a REAL tester, bring it on and lets attack from the start

Gabbys Elbow

DLT, I must protest......there is no way Rosenberg would have scored either!

Great post.

Jack the Hat

do tap,

" Anelka...Lets not beat around the bush here, nice for him to score 2 but my granddaughter could have scored those goals, "

Have you ever played football?. Nico was in a " Tight box " and maneuvered the ball brilliantly to get it in the net twice, they weren't born out of luck. Without his quick thinking, they would have been blocked away. Just because he made them look easy ....... .

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

Cyril

Dolalley, My hero Jonas poked in a similar goal to the ones Anelka got when we played Spurs. Yet somehow, Anelka's were so simple he could have blown them in with wind from his nether regions. Hardly fair man.

If you are right about his gesture, he should serve a ban. We have travelled many miles since Cyrille, Brendan and Laurie played and you want to bring that rubbish back into football. I am anti any MOB that want to obliterate a small country from the face of this Earth. Pity you aren't old enough to have seen Adolf in action. Just might, only might, have confused you a little.

The Real Bully Hoo.

Cyril.

Don't forget that the terrorists that later became the leaders of that small country murdered many of our soldiers and our rule wasn't anywhere near as oppressive as what Mandela suffered.

Apart from that I agree with you. We live in what we hope is a civilised world and I hate bullying in any form. I don't know enough about the situation of Anelka or his friend but if he feels the need to support him perhaps he should do it in an interview with a newspaper and not bring it into football.

PS.

I agree about the mob rule and any other cruelty to man or animals but I may be just a soft do-gooder. Perhaps we all should just look the other way as Pastor Niehmoller alluded to.

Cyril

Bully, there isn't a 'developed' country in the world that hasn't got a history of violence to others. The UK is guilty, yet we introduced proper judicial set-up in the countries we occupied. Look at OZ, New Zealand, India, etc., but if we carry on like that, the Yanks should give it all back to the Red Man. As for the Falklands and Gibraltar, don't start me. My one argument for us, the working classes, is that none of 'the riches' trickled down into our pockets. We were BLOODY POOR where I was born as were many others. But we should have moved on by now and football should never be a stage to use for so-called 'CAUSES'. I came out of the pub yesterday quite pleased with our point. I knew the London Press would put a different slant on it and they did. But they are now having a field day at Albion's expense on this reverse Hitler salute. How does it compare with our athletes having to give the Nazi salute to Hitler in Berlin at the pre-War Olympic Games? WE haven't learned a damn thing !

Mboy

Shame the "Anelka incident" has taken the gloss off another decent performance. Only he will know the real reason why he did it, but it would have been nice for him to dedicate his goal to the Club and fans rather than some controversial French "comedian"!

CantelloRocket 78

Mboy,

it is a pity about this 'gesture', these days every incident's caught on camera and instantly transported around the world via the media, everyone has to be on their very best behaviour all the time - most of us were just focusing on enjoying a goal being scored.

Otherwise, as you say, Anelka had a good game, apart from the goals he was often involved in link-up play, and you can see the guy's natural quality by the way he strokes the ball around.

KD said last week that Anelka would be involved in some capacity over Xmas, the story was met with a fair amount of criticism, but I asked for the guy to be given a chance, and said he could contribute goals that might help win us valuable points-

it's a good job some of us have keep belief in him, eh........? ;-)

Jack the Hat

Mboy,

Good job Nico didn't turn around scratching his backside, wonder what the " Kermits " would have made of that.

L☺Ls.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.

Mboy

Cantello - I agree, as I was one of those who thinks he is a quality player and has always done ok for us. It shows that when he is played in his CORRECT position with the correct players around him, he could be very useful for us - if the other players get on his wavelength.

As for the gesture, let us agree that we'd have preferred it if he hadn't done it, but it will be a very dangerous precedent for the FA to give him a ban for it - maybe the club could ask him not to do it again.

CantelloRocket 78

Mboy,

just in case you're wondering, I am agreeing with you - I know your main concern is for Albion to be successful, and you do stay loyal to certain players, you're a fan of Shane Long, and you've always seemed to give Anelka a chance as a player-

I guess what irritates me is when some people make scathing public attacks on various players, then go quiet or try to back out of it when they do well-

players like Chris Brunt, Jimmy Morrison, Jonas Olsson and others have been the subject of harsh criticism when they've been a bit off-form, but their critics often stay silent when they're back to their best - I'm sure you'll agree 'fair-mindedness' is all-important.

As for player's behaviour, unfortunately many have great ability in their feet, but few brains in their heads, I can think of many cases of completely unacceptable behaviour - Luis Suarez is now getting lavish praise as a world class player, but I keep seeing the image of him sinking his teeth into players on the pitch, some even claimed it was worthy of a life ban.

So much controversy these days..........

Mboy

Cantello - I'd like to think that I stick up for all of our players as I believe that they are all talented. (I have only ever thought that only one of our recent past players was vastly overrated and useless - Roman Bednar!!). Obviously, they will all suffer a loss of form at one point or another and so can come in for criticism at certain moments.

As for Shane Long, yes, I did think that when he first came, he had the ability and commitment to become an Albion legend. However, except for 45 minutes against the Villa, he has not come up to my expectations this season. Therefore, if JP can get 5 or 6 million for him in January, (from Hull or Tottenham), I'd certainly take it!!

I also think that Brunty comes in for a lot of unfair criticism - he is still a great serpent to our club and had a hand in all three of our goals yesterday - something that his critics will undoubtedly overlook. (However, I thought that Jimmy didn't have two great games in London!!)

DwarfzappA

LAWRO made me laugh talking about 'Samuel Eto'o', he suggested his Russian experience was purely a holiday, Anelka immediately came to my mind ;-))

I'm aware his two goals helped deliver another much needed point, did he also miss a couple of easier chances in previous games ?

There was no call for his after goal gesture, he new exactly what he was doing and I am sure he will be dealt with accordingly.

A young Anelka starting out concentrated on his football, the older richer Anelka has other things on his mind.

People have been shot for less and he never even received a yellow card.

We find em.

do lallytap

Well said Cyril, I should have added in my post that although it didn't offend me in the slightest what does offend me is that once again the name of West Bromwich Albion has yet again been dragged into this.

There is no place in any sport for this type of rubbish....if Anelka feels so strongly about this then perhaps he could donate some of his vast fortune on the quiet to fight his "cause"....KEEP THIS RUBBISH OUT OF MY TEAM !!

Changing the subject slightly, Downing after the match said that it was nice to see Anelka back after being out for "Whatever reason" suggests to me that there is more to this than the "Out for 2 months with a groin injury" excuse, in fact it was discussed on Radio WM that Anelka hasn't even been in this country for weeks....OK you can say, perhaps, he was getting his "injury" seen to abroad but there is no need as we have "award winning" physio and rehabilitation facilities at the Baggies....ask Gera about that.

I will just leave you with that to mull over while Anelka looks at a possible 5 or 6 match ban....a ban where I hope he gives up 100% of his £80k a week wage

We Only Need One Half!

All round another decent display I thought, and 2 points out of London for us is not a bad return given our past record there. In fact, despite the run they have been on of late I fancy our chances more against Newcastle at home then I ever did of getting anything down The Smoke.

So bring on the Geordies, didn't think they were all that at St James, and Sissoko's goal of the day, and a rare mistake by Boaz aside, I thought we deserved at least the point there, if not the win.

p.s. Cyril, I am going to have to disagree with you on the Anelka situ.

Cyril

Wonoh, this is a free country, (just about) and you are entitled. If you change your mind after the investigation, I promise not to gloat. Honest.

That 'comedian' friend sounds a horrible man to me but we only have the French version as yet. One last point, (I promise), Keith Downing has

done brilliantly up to yet and needs this business like a bullet to the brain. If we ever needed a reason to back our team on Wednesday, WE HAVE IT NOW. Sock it to 'em Keith Downing !

We Only Need One Half!

Hi Cyril, why would I change my mind? only he knows what he meant by it, and if he says it was not intended in the way he is being accused of, how do you prove other wise? the majority of people, in this country at least, had not even heard of this salute till yesterday, so how can they be offended? If it turned out a thumbs up, a gesture I am sure you have made at some time in your life, was in exactly the same context to Tamal's being oppressed and ethnically cleansed by the Indian Army, what would you do? apologies? what else could you do? Isn't that the same has the situation Anelka is in? Its the old if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it scenario.

It wasn't even a English person who bought it to light was it, no, it was a French Official, a member of a Government that still have enforced deportation of Roma till this day, and how many Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies and Jehovah's witnesses did Vichy France condemn to death by being complicit with the Nazi's in the deportation of the aforementioned groups to death camps? or the fact that Vichy protagonists who were found guilty after the war in absentee, but had escaped to Spain, the French never even applied for their extradition? its a bit rich really them getting so wound up a about a salute made in another country don't you think?

Another thing that annoys me, its being called a Nazi salute, and yourself and everyone else who has posted against him seem to believe that Jews have the monopoly on being offended by such matters (I say that in the fact that Jews are the only group mentioned again by every single poster) they don't, but they do have a better P.R. department.

I am not anti Semitic, far from it, but why when ever the Nazi's are mentioned no one ever (or rarely) gives a second thought for the Roma, Homosexuals, or Jehovah's Witness's? all group's treated the same as the Jew's? proportionally, the Gypsies lost far more people in the Death Camps than the Jews ever did.

I also notice that the Jewish Congress (this is what I mean by a good P.R. department) have already condemned him, yet I see no similar reports from the Gypsy Council, Stonewall or The Council of Jehovah's Witnesses? could it be these groups want to move on? not keep harping back to it at ever given small opportunity, not necessarily forgiving, it can never be forgiven, but reconciled at the least.

Like I said Cyril, I am not pro Nazi, far from it, and have probably done more than most to highlight it when required, I am not beyond bringing legal action on such matters, if warranted, including against this very paper your now reading (give me a spare email address and I will send you a copy of the I.P.C.C. adjudication of my latest action) but this really is a storm in a tea cup, the guy says it wasn't intended as a insult, end of.

One last thought, I wonder how many people who have condemned him will also be welcoming the expected influx of Eastern European Roma from Bulgaria and Romania in just a few days time. Irony eh?

p.s. this is why I never engaged you over Mandela, wrong place mate.

Cyril

Well, as my granddaughter used to say as a child, "That told him".

Wonoh, you obviously feel strongly about this so I'll make my last point.

If he had gone up to the West Ham crowd with, a) one middle finger erect, or b) his two fingers erect, everyone would have said , "He knew what he was doing and deserves a ban" Now your argument seems to be that if WE didn't know what he was doing, (quite true), then we should disregard it. The fact that the match was being witnessed world-wide by people who DID know what it meant raises questions. Why do anything so controversial at all ? I'll bet that Keith Downing is quietly spitting feathers. We are seeing his ideas and I for one like them.

BURNLEY BAGGIE

Foster at fault for first and second goal should be dropped for the Newcastle game Myhill has done nowt wrong.

Brunt with corners again one good delivery all game and we score

Anelka I thought he was a good signing in June but for 40 mins yesterday he tried to prove me wrong then bang bang he shows what he is all about.

Still cannot understand why we fall apart to a long ball team ie Villa and yesterday it needs work and its time for Dawson to get a run in the team

One thing I will say KD is quite prepared to change things and experiment a little you have to give him credit for that.

Overall we look OK just need the rub of the green a little

Ronnie Allen

I note recently on here that some of the contributors are obviously retired foreign diplomats having spent most of their lives working abroad sorting out the World's problems.

If not, can I then perhaps suggest having coffee mornings a couple of times a week, or pick up the phone to each other a couple of times a week and sort humanity out.

This is a footy chat site.