It started as an open game, both teams going for a win. It became dangerous and nasty towards the end. As I saw the incident, Vaughan jumped AT and all over Tamas who raised his arms strongly as protection, the elbow probably a bit too high though. Not intentional, but typical of the tackles that were the order of the day by then.
Just suppose Tamas had yielded easily. We would have had the Tamas = Carson postings everywhere.

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Itl be interesting to see if he does get banned, cast your minds back to last season, when Rooney purposefully elbowed James Mcarthy in the face while running across the pitch, but did he get banned or fined? No. Just because its Rooney. So if Tamas does get banned Albion should mention the Rooney elbow and see what exuse the FA come up with.

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Some problems yesterday: In playing 4-4-2, it puts the emphasis on Thomas and Dorrans (or whoever plays wide left and right) to track back and protect the two full backs. It’s an exhausting role.

Neither did so at Norwich, particularly Thomas who is looking ever lightweight, in need of working more on his left foot strength and is turning in to what we used to call a ‘cry babeee.’

Paul Scharner should anchor himself in front of the back four, using his height and power to get in headers and tackles – not wander around the pitch and get caught out of position so often. He does not have the stamina for it. This is why we looked so lopsided on too many occasions and gaps opened up right across the back four. An alternative is to bring back the on-loan Hurst at right back and let Steven Reid do the job as anchor man.

Finally (and this is a list of moans), can we start taking a few decent corners? I’ve seen all the games so far, including Bournemouth, and witnessed only two – Dorrans, left hand side, Birmingham Road end, v Stoke.

No wonder Roy said in the after-match interview that the team seems intent on giving him heart trouble.

We deserved our luck yesterday, though, and that includes getting away with the Tamas incident. We’ve had zero good fortune in the first three league games. There is no better time to start righting some of the wrongs in training, after a win like that.

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if the FA enquire into the elbow then i think elliott bennett should be investigated into also as his tackle on dorrans was disgusting. had he slid from the other side, he would of broke dorrans leg and it was lucky that his leg/ankle bent the correct way after the impact. Then again Bennett is a wolves fan so i can understand why he would do something like this. good win tho and now we can start playing

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I was at the game and still haven’t seen the incident on TV. If he did it intentionally, then he deserves to be punished.

I’m not sure why Dermot Gallagher needs to become involved though. He’s not a referee anymore, wasn’t the ref yesterday and is surely on making Halsey’s job harder by commenting on what should have happened afterwards.

Pip

So far the only reason I can see for you posting on these boards is so you can take an irrational swipe at the Albion?

Are you trying to suggest we’re lucky?

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I think the team is struggling to adapt to the 4-4-2 formation, and we have lost that creativity that we had in abundance last season. The fact that we have to play two defensive midfielders speaks volumes of what Hodgson thinks of the defence. I do not see what is wrong with the 4-5-1 formation that suited us so well at the end of last season, especially now we have even more midfielders to choose from. I still haven’t properly viewed the Tamas incident as i watched the game online and they didint really replay it, but if he is guilty then i hope he gets a ban. Their is no room for elbows in football!

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I don’t know if i have my Blue and White glasses on but im really not sure having seen it a few times. He looks over his left shoulder to see where Vaughan is then puts his right arm out to stop him running past him. I don’t think he “did him” but no question he caught him. I honestly believe only Tamas will 100% know whether it was intentional or not. Great result though if not a great game.

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I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Tamas knew exactly what he was doing. Extremely disappointing behaviour – I reckon he will escape punishment from the FA though. Could easily have cost us 2 points – idiotic.

An excellent and very much needed result. Must pick something up on Saturday away at Swansea – 4points from next 2 games required please……

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I’m sorry, but accidental or intentional, this was an irresponsible and reckless challenge. Notwithstanding the injury to Vaughan and the possibility of a ban for Tamas, his action could have cost us the points if the ref had seen it and a penalty had been given. This player has shown a lack of discipline before, and the sooner young Dawson takes his place in the team the better IMHO.

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Of course it was intentional – maybe not the split lip but certainly the elbow in the face. Tamas is a dirty player and we are not a dirty side. He should have gone this summer. Should he be banned please let’s bring on Dawson and see if his U21 England form can be translated to the Premiership.

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Couldnt agree more about Thomas, he never seems to take his full back on anymore, has he lost his pace? Or is he too knackered from helping Reid out with Hodgsons tactics? Id give him a go down the right so he can bomb straight down the line and play Brunt on the lefr where he belongs as im not a fan of right footers on lefr and left footers on the right. Also Scharner needs to be dropped for Dorrans as we lack creativity in the middle of the park. Anyone agree?

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6 pip-

I’m taking off my blue and white glasses and giving them to you,due to the fact that you spend more time on the Albion site than the average Baggies fan.

And almost every time,you end up having a knock at us.

People have asked you many times to go away,but you keep coming back like a bad penny.

Any chance that my jungle formula mosquito repellent might work?

I somehow doubt it.

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6.Pip. I have just tried some orange-coloured sunglasses on and watched the incident again.
You are absolutely right when I wear those !
I wouldn’t have thought orange could affect your brain, but it does.

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i’m not gonna make excuses for him, it looks sinister to me. only thing i’ll say in his favour is that it’s out of character for him
as for his performance, some of his errors would have been punished by a better side, though i suppose he wasn’t on his own in that respect so i won’t carson him just yet

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CR78

Is it something to do with whether it’s included in the referee’s report as to whether they can act? It seems to undermine the idea of retrospective punishment. I do wonder when these reports are written and how exposed to the media the referees are between the final whistle and the report being constructed.

Halsey can either have no seen it or deemed it accidental. Either way, nobody can determine 100% it was intentional. Like I said earlier though, if it was on purpose he deserves a ban. Examples like that of Rooney just make a mockery of the whole system as he should’ve been banned whether it was in a report or not.

Royley

Your point on Thomas? He’s not going to play well 38 games a season. Lee Dixon made an interesting point on his blog. Norwich play a diamond and push their full-backs on. If you drop Thomas and play Gera/Morrison, are you not affording the opposition the luxury of pushing their full-backs forward fully in the knowledge they won’t be exploited when we get the ball back? At least JT with his very presence forces teams to think twice about abandoning those full-back areas. I still think he brings a dimension we don’t get from anybody else and when fit, is one of the best wingers in that league. Without him and with four neat footballers in the middle, are we not heading back to the Mowbray days?

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ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!
The speed that the Sweet FA can act when it suits them.
I wrote to them on the Monday after the Chelsea game regarding the Cole jump/tackle. Letter sent recorded delivery.No reply. Not a word. No action!!
Did you also see how that tackle was completely ignored by the old codgers and production team on MOTD.

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Just watched the wolves highlights opposite. Hennessy is susceptible to a shot close to him on the ground, can’t get down quick enopugh.

BOING~~~~BOING~~~~JtH.

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Have to agree with bomber(4).

Would love to give Tamas the benefit of the doubt but the quick look over his left shoulder prior to the incident makes me believe he knew exactly what he was doing. If this is the case he deserves everything he’s got coming to him.
Also Steven Reid didn’t exactly cover himself in glory at both ends of the pitch either. I know we have been on the receiving end of some soft penalty decisions in the past but two wrongs don’t make a right, and the cynical rugby tackle was just plain daft. We could easily have finished the game, like Blackpool last season with 9 men on the pitch and with the shortage of defensive cover could have left us seriously exposed for the next three games.

We have won many plaudits over the last few years for the way we try to play entertaining football so lets leave the thuggery to other teams we could mention.

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Trbhoo
I have to pick you up on a couple of points,
To my mind to say a defender doesn’t know when an attacker is behind him is saying he not very good at his job.
You mentioned the Stoke goal,are you saying Tamas didn’t know he was there?
I’ve watched it few times and the thing for me is, when you turn you don’t turn with your elbow that high, it’s not a natural movement,IMO he new exactly what he was doing the same as Rooney did,so he ain’t guna get banned,Is he?
As for the second point, you must have been on the vino son! Not in the world of pigs puddin’ could you mention Thomas in the same breath as Willie.
Adéu

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Warren

No, i don’t think we will be heading back to the Mowbray days. Also, Gera offers much more protection to his fullback.
For someone with so much pace, he slows us down a lot, there were at least 2 occasions yesterday when breaking from defence, he slowed down to a jog. I wish that sucj a tricky and pacey player would take his fullback on, he wouldn’t have to wait long for Odemwingie or Long to catch up. I know he is a winger and most wingers are inconsistent, but one of the best in the league? Either you are a)drunk or b) his agent.

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Royley

I’m neither drunk nor his agent and I agree that he sometimes slows play down as I mentioned in an earlier post. However I can’t help think there’s a reason for this, physical condition perhaps?

Either way, for all those games he ‘slows us down’ you can also list games where he’s either won us the game or gone a long way to doing so e.g. Arsenal away, Wigan home, Blackpool home, games where to a large extent, as TB says, he’s unplayable.

There are also other games e.g. Blues and Stoke away, where the opposition’s manager (not us mere mortals) deems his enough of a threat to have 2 players getting cosy with him every time we have the ball thus freeing up space elsewhere.

Redknapp liked him, Wenger says he’s ‘special’. Is he Messi? No. But you tell us 5 wingers in the PL who bring more of an attacking threat in terms of beating players than JT? That’s why I say he’s one of the best.

What you say about Gera is very true and all well and good when we haven’t got the ball. But what about the games we have, where teams sit deep and let us play in front of them? Where we need to turn teams around? Perhaps more at home than away, but those games he’s invaluable, because other than him we have too many midfielders with similar assets in my opinion.

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Kev.
1) I’ve mentioned the incident in a couple of posts and said that I can’t decide if it’s deliberate or not but others obviously know more.

2) If you read what I said it was that Tamas didn’t know exactly where the player was not that he didn’t know he was there which is totally different.

3) Likewise I didn’t mean that he was as good as Willie, I rated Willie as even better than Laurie Cunningham. I just meant that he would try to beat a player more than once.

Have you ever been a criminal law barrister by any chance?

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What a crock! It looks bad because it connected with Vaughan’s mouth and his tooth went through his upper lip. Any other part of the head (or if Vaughan had his mouth closed at the time) and it wouldn’t even be a news story as there would be no blood.

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It reeks of Dingle on here and I suspect that more than one of the above posts is Shadrag and his split personality.

Tamas is unfortunate in my opinion, again a total lack of consistency from the FA. All those having a swipe at Tamas, have another look at the incident. Tamas had his back to Vaughan so how exactly can it have been intentional? He hasn’t got eyes in the back of his head!

Frankly, I couldn’t care less about the performance either, we got the 3 points, end of story. There are far worse teams in the Premier League than the Albion.

Boing Boing!!

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Makes no diffrence what happened with rooney,or how hard done by we where against stoke,or wether they watered the pitch,fact is Tamas elbowed him in the face,and he deserves a lenthy ban,its dangerous and above all its cowardly and i dont want to see Albion players doing it.

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9) Warren
I thought Albion did what they had to do away from home.I have posted that Albions use of the long ball was a surprise but a valid tactic against a slow high line defence.Tamas was lucky not to get sent off and looking at the above posts most agree.Warren you are clever to debate a strong response even when you are wrong.That elbow was a disgrace how can that be defended?

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Pip

I haven’t defended the elbow, quite the contrary I said if it’s intentional he deserves a ban. I was at the game and still haven’t seen it on TV which is why I haven’t given a view of the incident.

All I meant above was that you love a good swipe at the Albion and well, pretty much every post you’ve written. You say we were lucky yet we had more shots and the clearer chances. How about some praise??

Wall Heath

Just an opinion, but I thought Reid was immense on Sunday and we’d be absolutely mental to drop him!!

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Try again…Tamas looks left to work out where Vaughan is then fires the elbow round the other way. He knew exactly what he was doing. We played really dirty throughout.

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Trbhoo.
No,but there have been a few occasions when it would have been useful if I was.

ShropshireBaggie.
Being a defender in my youth I was taught to concentrate and be aware of the players around you, Tamas was shielding the ball for Foster and after his last attempt he made sure nobody was getting to the ball from behind, as I said in my previous post it’s an unnatural movement to turn with your elbow that high,unless you’ve got something in mind specifically for your elbow, try it?
I’m not having a swipe at Tamas,just saying how I see but lets hope the ban he’ll probably get turns out too have a silver lining for Dawson.
Adéu

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55 Jimbob-

‘we played really dirty throughout’-

as you’re obviously a wolves fans,which of your games do you mean…..?

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Wall Heath

P.S. When you say out of position, do you mean too narrow? If so, I think this is a feature of Hodgson’s coaching rather than individual’s decision-making. I’ve noticed we sit very narrow when we haven’t got the ball and shuffle across as and when rather than in anticipation. I think sometimes it gets mistaken for the full-backs affording their wide men too much room on the touchline.

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Definitely a penalty but don’t think it was delibrate. I think he meant to push him away

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66 raedwald-

no idea who you support(although wolves is usually a good bet),but any reason for going ‘over the top’?

1)even if Tamas did deliberately use his elbow,do you really expect his manager to tell the media straight after the game that he thought he was guilty?
I’ve seen many managers quizzed about their players at the end of a match,and almost everytime,like politicians,they defend their own,or avoid the issue.
Sir Alex and Arsene Wenger are experts at ‘seeing nothing wrong’,or just ‘seeing nothing’.

2)’Cynical fouling’?- apart from the Tamas incident,and Reid pulling someone down with him near the end,what else was so noteable?

According to the BBC match report,both Albion and Norwich commited about 10-11 fouls each throughout the entire game.

and 3)Time wasting?- so you’re winning 1-0 away from home,desperate for a win,with 4 minutes of stoppage time to play-
how many clubs do you know that will ‘speed a game up’ in those circumstances?

Seems to me that you either just want a pop at Albion,or you’re very naive about the modern game.

Either way,sort yourself out.

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Tamas should take up cage boxing with that sort of behavior. It is out of place in football.

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