Time to map out a plan for Villa's future
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Kuszczak in, Carson out at Albion?
Friday 10th June 2011, 11:30AM BST.
Albion target Tomasz Kuszczak has confirmed he is likely to leave Manchester United this summer – as Scott Carson was linked with a surprise move to Turkey.
The Baggies have held talks with Kuszczak over a return to the Hawthorns, as they look to shake up their goalkeeping department with Carson’s days at the club potentially numbered.
And the Poland international has signalled a possible stepping up of the race for his signature by confirming for the first time he plans to leave Old Trafford after failing to secure first-team football.
He said: “My ambition is to play football. I tried to be patient, but sitting on the bench and playing so rarely, it is hard to prove anything.
“Can I stay? I would like to very much, but I want to play.”
The Baggies have held preliminary discussions with the Kuszczak camp and received positive feedback about the possibility of a return, with United thought unlikely to price him out of the market.
But Albion are likely to face competition for his signature from England and elsewhere in Europe.
The 29-year-old admitted his future was now in the hands of United manager Sir Alex Ferguson, who has signalled his intention to look elsewhere for a successor to Edwin van der Sar, having agreed a deal to sign David de Gea from Atletico Madrid.
Kuszczak said: “If he decides that I do not deserve a chance then I will have to leave the club.
“He is the most successful coach and for me he will always be a great man, but I admit that his decisions have sometimes harmed me and I had to reconcile them.”
The Baggies are in the hunt for a new goalkeeper with their first choice, former Villa man Brad Friedel, having opted to join Tottenham on a free transfer instead.
But Bolton keeper Ali Al-Habsi is not believed to be high on Albion boss Roy Hodgson’s wanted list, despite reports of an interest.
Carson’s future appears uncertain as he enters the final year of his contract, with no discussions having begun about an extension.
Turkish club Bursaspor have added him to their list of potential transfer targets, along with Glasgow Rangers goalkeeper Allan McGregor.
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Bursaspor were linked with Carson last week and Albion have been linked with Kuszczak since Christmas……..
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I can see another Carson debate on the horizon !!!! . I will keep out of it thanks very much.
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Express and Dingle, our pet name for you establishment. Your Head-line is one big lie.
BOING~~~~BOING~~~~JtH.
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Of course Thomasz wants to stay and play at Man United. Who wouldn’t, at such a top club, with medals galore? But he has wasted the last four – or is it five? – seasons of his career warming the bench and, for whatever reason, Sir Alex just does not fancy him being the permanent Number One. I suspect his original signing was on the strength of one game at Man U, a 1-1, in the year of the Great Escape, in which he made 15 saves. But other clubs will be in the running and Thomasz has never spoken warmly about his time with us, despite the support he used to have. I am not sure what sort of man we’d be getting back, either, judging from his last couple of jittery error-prone performances.
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Christmas? last week?
That’s express negotiating with Peace mate
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“My ambition is to play football. I tried to be patient, but sitting on the bench and playing so rarely, it is hard to prove anything.”
If only this was true? none off us on here are Premier League players, yet we could have told him when he left us he would be playing less football than if he had stayed, if we could see that, why couldn’t he?
I wonder if Sir Alex offered him a 50% pay increase he would feel the same?
No problem with people moving jobs to get a pay rise, that’s human nature, but I do have a problem with people who are hypocritical and latter try and justify it for a different reason.
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Excellent – a nice Carson story to allow all of his knockers to crawl out from under their stones. Let’s hear it boys….
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Slow news day i guess……..
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Oh dear, from the Moxey could smash transfer record thread,
“And Moxey believes that only Blackpool and possibly neighbours Albion will have spent less on players salaries in the season just completed.”
Poor old Laughinwolf, for weeks now hes been informing us that having the 2nd lowest wage bill in the league what a miracle Wolves had worked, err, wrong again! Yet another spurious fact of his that he uses in a attempt to big up Wolves, then proves to be simply made up in his own little world to try and justify the sinking ship W.W.F.C. (wait till the true injury figures come out, expect another shocker, not!)
Ironically of the four teams mentioned with the lowest wage bills, Burnley, Blackpool (both relegated) Wolves (skin of their teeth with only minutes to spare and HAVING to rely on others) Can we see the odd one out readers? that’s right, we are the only ones who actually do it successfully.
Boing Boing.
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Give Carson a chance is my opinion played well when he had his second chance.If the back four is to get stronger some of the pressure will be off Carson.Kuszczak been happy to play second fiddle to long at Man U goalkeeping is alot about confidence is Kuszczak really any better then Carson personally i think not
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Why would specialist bits of scrap from the Northbank ie. 50, 60, 70+ meters of rolled steel and the accompanying bespoke bits, be brought by a mystery buyer to have them transported at great cost to a holding yard a stones throw away from the old C/C ?
They arnt any good to anyone, unless, and this is just off the top of my head, someone would want to build a cheap football stand extention in that area.
Cant think of anyone. CAN YOU ?
If my theory is correct, and you eventually build your small extention to your stand, when Wolves visit we will be able to face your new extention and sing “Northbank northbank give us a wave”
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Lazy journalism.
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See the’ve dug up the Vaughan story as well. How many midfielders is that now we’re linked with? Gera,Vaughan,Taylor (Bolton),Boateng,Reo Coker , Johnson (Leeds), bloke from Forest. The list goes on …..
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Classic comment at No1 on the “Roberto Martinez turns down Villa” thread
(yes it is a slow news day, isn’t it!)
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“Football League clubs have voted to adopt UEFA’s financial fair play system where teams can only spend what they EARN.”
Blimey, thats them down the road knackered than, what they gonna do with no sugar daddies to bail em out???
Can anyone tell me why the F.A. had to meet in Cyprus to decide this? About time they started cutting their cloth too, rather than fleecing the fans!
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People may knock JP and dan Ashworth – but at least they don’t come out with the rubbish you regularly hear from the wolves management.
Here is the lastest gem from jez Moxey…
“I cannot say for certain, but I would be very surprised if we did not stay up last season with our wage bill at least in the bottom three of the Premier League”.
Seems Wolves are very happy to be in the bottom three of most leagues these days..
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“lastest” err that should read “latest”…. LMAO !!!!!!!
and thats my lastest word on that that !!!
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11 Lonely.
That’s true because we’ve had to build it to house a lot of your disenchanted fans. Not interested in a ticket by any chance are you? Warren could give you a lift down.
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Calling Uncle Jack !
Quick Jack, there is a live thread going on involving your biggest rivals. Get in there old son and slay em with a couple of your well honed witticisms.This is the chance you have been waiting for! The world awaits,,,,
Thinking about how Villa are struggling to get a manager, i bet bet Roy wished he hadnt jumped in feet first with his first offer of a job.
If he had waited a few months he wouldnt now have the feeling of a teenage boy that has ended up dating the ugliest of a family of fine sisters.
A transfer budget of millions could of been his, insted he is emptying the penny jar and reversing the charges in phone calls to Fulham.
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No.15
It is the football league and not FA that have voted to accept the UEFA fair play system. This should be of no surprise as pretty much all of them meet the system criteria anyway. Otherwise most would face insolvency. It would also allow them to compete more fairly with premier league clubs.
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number 9 “we need 1 half” “we are the only ones who actually do it successfully” are you sure about that, because i’m sure if that was the case you wouldn’t be known a yo-yo club. you’ve had one half decent season, but all the rest have been major failures if i’m right, where as we are now into our 3rd successive season in the top flight.
lets see how you cope with second season syndrome, not to good if remember last time!
lonewolf! love it! northbank give us a wave!
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hope kuszczak has the form he had last time he was at the baggies. he had a touch of the franks in hes last game for utd
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you could have put kusack carson and myhill in goal at the mol and we would still have beat ya up the wolves
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21) Facts speak for themselves my friend, four clubs mentioned, only one of which successful under low wage bill, dont shoot the messenger! You “achieved” narrowly avoiding relegation by being the third biggest spenders in transfer window, to finish where we did you will have to spend…..how much?
20) yes I know, but when them down the road are a football league club season after this…. :-)
anyway, to be adopted by P.L. and I quote-
“The new UEFA rules will also limit the amount of cash ‘sugar daddies’ will be able to pour into the clubs to fund transfers and high wages, though they will be allowed to finance capital projects such as stadiums and academies.
Attempts to bypass the rules by owners handing out huge sponsorship contracts to their clubs from other companies they own will also be checked by an independent watchdog panel appointed by UEFA to ensure they are not paying above the market rate.
The FA and Premier League – who will be the bodies that jointly provide the UEFA licences to English clubs – have given the new rules a cautious welcome but want assurances that smaller clubs still have “the opportunity to invest the resources required to compete at a higher level”.
Like I said, dont shoot the messenger!
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19) Lone go and ask the Villa fans if they had to choose between having Roy or Mick who they would want?
Argument over!
p.s. they would probably take RDM over Mick!
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Odd Fellow,
Wish you Dingles would keep pace, I’ve already been on there. Roy might have chosen Villa, but I don’t think he would do the same with wolves, that’s why Mick’s still with you. He wouldn’t get on with the Slo-Mo rate of knots you Dingles travel at.
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Vacant,
What, with that fabulous striker Doyle playing. Now say “Thanks for keeping us in the Premiership”. Don’t expect us to do it next season, as we will remember how ungrateful you Dingles have been.
BOING~~~~BOING~~~JtH.
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23 wolvac-
maybe if wolves had used three goalkeepers all season,you wouldn’t have lost most of your games
-right up the wolves!
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11 Lonely-
I heard a number of wolves fans were watching the workmen doing their stuff recently,as parts of the old mol. fell to the ground.
One turned to his mate and said:
‘It takes me back to the 1980′s,when large pieces of the stadium were collapsing like this’,
his mate said:
‘yeah,but we didn’t need workmen then,just a good gust of wind was enough!’.
p.s.-
last season,wolves LOST 1,500 season ticket holders,while the Baggies GAINED 1,500.
Can we expect ANOTHER 1,500 deserters turning up at the Hawthorns this time around?
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Oh dear Lonely.
Put your foot in it again haven’t you? Whether it’s clad in a brogue or a stiletto it’s well and truly in it.
Have another look at the league table and think again who the ugliest sister is. Possibly the one that was nearly thrown out by the doorman for being so ugly. If only the prettier Blackpool sister could have scraped together a bit more money to stay in.
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I’ve finally sussed out Lone. His missus writes his posts out when the spelling is good, then when he types it out and gets excited, we get ‘could of’ instead of ‘could have’. I now believe SHE has the IQ of 100 and his is 30, so together they become very clever. We’ll think of ‘insted’ as just a typo as we are very forgiving towards the deluded. Now about that well run club about a stone’s throw away from Moulinex. I remember only too well having lumps of concrete from the South bank terraces being thrown at us visiting Baggies when the whole place was falling apart and due for dismantling by the Batty Brothers to turn into a mini-market. Couldn’t get any takers though so they flogged it and cut their losses. Where would you be now without Great Uncle Jack? (Before you turned on him and sent him Wolf Packing).
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PS: The Pole-in-Goal may or may not be better than Carson, but suppose he isn’t, just for the sake of argument. What then?
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Only needs one half (continued)
Somebody needs to get a grip. Just had a look on the Villa site and now the clown is recommending Houghton.
Houghton ? Yeah right !
Problem is that the Villa fans will remember Houghton as a former player and manager and get all excited.
This guy has a lot to say and most of it in ill informed.
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Just going back to the main story,I still feel it’s a sad situation.
I’ve said before that Scott Carson is a ‘keeper with some good qualities,and some weaknesses,which puts him in the same category as the vast majority of other goalkeepers I can think of.
What makes me smile is that Peter O. had a bad spell during mid-season,when he was missing sitters in front of goal,and was very low in confidence.
Despite this,when he started scoring again,everyone forgot the bad performances,and hailed him as a hero,having nothing but good to say about him.
On the other hand,Scott was criticised for making certain mistakes (on closer inspection,it was other players at fault for some of these accusations),yet when he had a good,solid game,hardly anyone would give him praise,the knockers just kept quiet until they could find further fault,and give him yet more stick.
I didn’t bother watching the recent England game,but people tell me that the country’s ‘best’ ‘keeper,Joe Hart,was involved in certain ‘defensive embarrassments’ that Carson would have been slaughtered for,and watching clips of Kuszczak playing at the end of the season saw him giving a performance on par with the best circus clown,constantly fumbling the ball,and running out of position.
For those that demand a new ‘keeper,if we sign one of YOUR recommended replacements,and he makes mistakes next season,I hope you give him the same treatment as you’re now giving Scotty.
After all,it’s only being fair,right?
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30, Cyril, nice one. ( cant belive ive just typed that ) As our IQs are the same i feel comfortable corresponding with a fellow intelllectual such as yourself.
As for me bad spellins and gramma, At 14 and a bit i decided that school wernt for me and did one. Even though i was offered a grammer school position at 11 me mum couldnt afford all the bits n bobs that went with it, or the bus fares to Wallsal every day.
In a nutshell; at 17 i owned half a share in a scrap yard,and a market stall in Bilston and Brownhills. That year i also got me first car (cortina 2.0ltr E ) 5 grand i think, while me dad slogged his guts out for 6 grand a year at GKN. I could go on, many tales i could tell, but the point being, even then i couldnt give a toss about bad spellings and grammer, and it makes me smile that even now you Jack and others still feel it necessary to point them owt.
Lets move on to Mrs Lone, Lord above where do i start; She is shall we say, feisty, funny, lives life to the full and is a bit of a handful. At this moment in ayia napper with her mates. only been there 2 nights and already i belive a diplomatic incident has occurred. But blogging on Albion turf aint her bag. Think she spoke to Bully once or twice after he accused her of being inflatable.haha.
The second Love of me life is as you know WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS. The Batty era and our decline that you and others still try to use as a stick to beat us with, was some of the best times of true wolves fans lives ( dont ever remember lobbing concrete at you though )
Great uncle Jack was, and still is, a Wolves leg. Part or the rich tapestry that is WWFC. The greatest football team the world has ever seen. It has it all, history, rise and fall and rise again, glamour, romance, fortitude, passion and a great coloured strip. Im sure you will agree.
Just do us a favour cyril, use your high IQ to better and more worthy retorts to old Lone rather than pickin on his bad spellings and grammer. You should be able to do a lot better. And also make it more interesting for me.
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I missed this one at the time but I think Shadrag and BRW may have some competition.
gambit85
June 10, 2011 at 10:01 am
‘albion fans, no realism what so ever.’
He later accuses us of being fickle (apparently spelt thickle.)
Mickey Quinn when you’ve finished with the BRW/Shadrag Prize for lack of self awareness could you pass it to Gambit.
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35 TRBH-
yeah,we should learn to be much more realistic over here,just like the wolves fans.
Errr…..what did Jez Moxey say at that radio forum a few months back?-
‘I think as a club,we could get to where the fans feel we belong.Maybe somewhere just behind Manchester United………’.
After all wolves had one good decade 60 years ago,so they must be one of the greatest clubs in the world,like United and Barcelona,right?
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34 Lonely-
talking about ‘gramma’,I had my weekly glance at a wolves thread the other day,and one of your regulars,’Petenuts’,was upsetting other wolves fans.
If anyone disagrees with him,us or you lot,it hurts his rather large Ego,so he usually resorts to personal attacks,such as pointing out spelling mistakes.
So one guy took the hump,said that everyone makes typo mistakes,and then called Petenuts a
WTAT.
I only go over there for a laugh,and that did make me smile.
p.s.-talking about your past,I haven’t mentioned it before,but I’d have bet money that you’ve spent time in uniform defending old Blighty.Am I wrong?
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Lone, I had a swing at you because you had a swing at MY club for no apparent reason. I use whatever weapons at my disposal to ward off offenders and invaders, in my case it has to be WORDS as I have little else. Let’s give you the benefit of any doubts we may have and accept your IQ rating of 130. This puts you amongst the top very few percentage of brain power in the country. You turned that towards making cash and rejecting education. Your prerogative entirely and if what you state is true then I admire your enterprise, much as I admire a good footballer, a good welder and a good car mechanic. The SPELLING then becomes irrelevent. I shall cease to batter you on that front as from today as long as you cease spiteful comment also. Keep the witty stuff coming like Sir Terence does, light-hearted and jocular pee-taking perfectly acceptable. He has a well deserved fan club yet his spelling can be comical and we don’t give a toss. He’s a damn fine friend to have too.
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OOPS ! Sorry irrelevant. Typing without looking and checking. I shall stand in a corner and wear the Dunce cap
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37, Rocket, Petenuts is a very clever chap and when on form is second to none. Makes me LOL. I recall you have crossed swords with him, cantelloooo, cantelahhh, cantelolopy etc.
And i think it may have been a draw. (a stuffy one like the one you managed againt us at your place :)
Lone dont post on there often as i agree it can get abit mudslinggy and im a lover not a fighter these days.
I did post on the vila thread yesterday as Lobo solitario and only managed one bite.And that was off me old pal Moniker. Again,LOL. I did reply but mr C was on duty again i think.
I find it much more user friendly over ear. (sos cyril)
After posting that long drawn out drivel at 34 this morning ( should be enough ammo in there for you lot for a while ) it did cross me mind after reading it back, that you might of got your own back on me after i used to give you a bit of stick when you used to give us all your own life story action. Bigger man than that eh ?
As for your strange question at the end ? As a wise man once said to me on here a few months ago ” im sposed to trust you right ? After all we have been friends for at least 2 minutes.”
To answer, i dont like to talk about it. haha.
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38, Cyril, please accept my apologies if any of me musings come across as being spiteful. You have to take my word for it that they aint intended to come across like that. Maybe i should start reading em back before sending them. Thanks for pointing it out.
If i genuinely thought they actually upset folks ide pack it in and take up Golf or summet.
Me mums just rang me and told me i was 19 when i brought that cortina, so i aint as clever as i thunk i am.
Good wishes to you and Albion in the forthcoming season.
They did v well last season, can it be repeated ?
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32) Chris Hughton never played for Villa you muppet, get your facts right, has for most of my articles are ill informed, really? lets start with me correctly predicting, to the exact point, Albion and Wolves final points tally for the season with three months remaining? now, copy and paste on here ONE thing you have posted that as been so accurate or original that you have not copied from another poster or hearsay?
Remember, better for you to stay quiet and people think your a clown, rather than you open your gob and prove them right!
“of it IN ill informed” ????? typo by any chance, umm, just when you set yourself up has perfect, some one bursts your bubble!
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32 Peace in the Valley This was a follow up to a previous post but the Moderator stepped in and chopped it, so you must all wonder what it’s all about.
I shall be very careful and politically correct, don’t you know.
Was pointing out that your regular correspondent “only needs one half” has made a silly billy of himself on the Wolves site.(58 on the Smash the transfer record article)
Does he have lessons in gibberish or does speaking fluent double Dutch come naturally ?
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40 Lonely Lobo-
At least I’ve found something you don’t want to talk about.
Should mean the rest of the weekend’s quiet,thank the Lord.
As for ‘Petenuts’,the main problem is that HE thinks he’s a very clever chap,and superior to everyone else.
So after I saw him insult a couple of Baggies (including young,innocent ‘Wozza’),I could take no more,and had no option but to go over and wind him up.
In the end,he got rattled,and chased me over here,so I delivered a devastating volley,after which he fell silent.
So it wasn’t a draw,and unfortunately you didn’t get the point.But he did in the end.
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Odd Fellow,
What’s happened to my headmaster. I used to rely on him to correct my slip ups?.
BOING~~~~BOING~~~~JtH.
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Lone40, you’ve been imbibing the brown pop again. Every man has two life stories. One where they would have chosen a young Clint Eastwood to play the role, the other with Mr.Has-Bean in the lead. Or Mr. Neverwazzer.
Probably why we watch football.
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May I say a word here about Cyril and Lonely.
I notice they’ve had a bit of a spat on here.
They’ve both come back on, explained their reasoning and apologised. In doing so they’ve exhibited a lot of humility as well as the sense of humour we’ve come to expect from both of them. Well done to two gentlemen and perhaps all of us Wulfies and Baggies alike can learn from them.
Right now I’ll get off my high horse and show that I practice what I preach.
Max.
May I apologise for the next time I have a go at you. It can’t be far away and it’s always nice to have one in the bank.
Sorry.
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Max,
If I didn’t know better it could interpreted that Trbhoo want’s to know if you’ve ever been to Brighton?
Adéu
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And can I add that my post at 47 was written before Lonely’s at 42.
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Another nomination today for my ‘Shadrag/BRW Lack of Self Awareness Oscar.’
Steve Curry (know it all journalist and professional scouser) on Talksport.
‘What’s the matter with clubs like Villa, why don’t they appoint a young promising manager?’
There speaks one of the cheerleaders for giving the Liverpool job to ‘King Kenny’ after hounding Roy Hodgson out. I suppose he can give Roy a year or two but ‘young promising?’
And what is it with these scousers and Villa? What a load of arrogant *******. Sorry about the language, not like me at all.
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47TRBH. Well said gaffer. I hate the idea of being personal and rude, but sometimes rise to the bait and use whatever weapon comes to hand. One last comment to Lone. I too passed for Grammar School at 11, West Brom being a forward thinking Council in 1942. My dad was a foundry moulder in cast iron, 4 kids and a council house. We never lacked for affection, but money was in short supply with clothes rationed too. It wasn’t easy there as the majority were far better off and Dad died before I finished. So yes, I know all about hardship. Oh, and we had to BUY our text books in 1942 as any ex WBGS pupil still alive will tell you. My Granddad went back to work at 75 to help out. There was no giving up with that sort of backing. Teachers were often past retiring age because the others had gone to war. A great school though.
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We’ve drifted away from football, so back with a bang! McLeish walks out on Blues has to be the headline. I could use the word ‘fluid’ to describe modern footer, but ‘volatile’ seems more appropriate. Chelsea sack a manager who did the double one year followed by 2nd this year, Blues keep a bloke who won a Cup and got relegated. Said manager in Villa’s sights as a replacement for poor old Gerard, turns them down, presumably not big enough to match his ego. You couldn’t make it up. Well, you could, but no one would publish it.
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52 Cyril-
There may be at least two sides to a story,but McLeish’s reputation must be dropping faster than Blues descent to the Championship.
By all accounts,he was given 40 million to spend on the squad,and the Chairman has recently signed three new players from the Manager’s ‘wish list’.
With the club standing by him,and two years remaining on his contract,he walks out after informing the club by e-mail that he doesn’t want to hang around any longer.
It’s been rumoured that he might take the Villa job,and they in turn have been attempting to poach serving Manager’s from other Premiership clubs recently.
McLeish should go to Villa-it’s obvious that they deserve each other.
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