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QPR 3 Albion 1
Saturday 6th March 2010, 5:10PM GMT.
Captain Scott Carson had a nightmare afternoon at Loftus Road as Albion nemesis Neil Warnock returned to deliver a jolt to the Baggies’ promotion campaign.
Errors from goalkeeper Carson cost his side two goals as Warnock celebrated his first game in charge of QPR with a win.
The skipper spilled a cross to allow former Albion loanee Jay Simpson to put Rangers ahead on 13 minutes and the visitors’ defence again went missing as Matthew Connolly got a second goal 11 minutes later.
A Chris Brunt header 10 minutes before half-time gave the Baggies hope.
But Carson was beaten by Akos Buzsaky’s 35-yard free-kick midway through the second-half to kill off any hopes of a fightback.
It meant boss Roberto Di Matteo’s gamble of resting star midfielder Graham Dorrans from his starting line-up was not rewarded, as Albion slipped to their second straight away defeat and lost second place to Nottingham Forest.
A miserable afternoon was compounded when striker Simon Cox left on a stretcher in stoppage-time after a mid-air collision with on-loan Wolves goalkeeper Carl Ikeme.
QPR predictably flew from the blocks and former Baggies target Adel Taarabt had already caused some problems down the right when his side went ahead on 13 minutes.
An Albion move broke down in midfield, Taarabt broke down the right and his low cross was fumbled by Carson into the path of Simpson, who finished coolly.
It took just 11 minutes for the second Rangers goal to arrive, as the visitors were caught out of position at the back and the home side cashed in.
A crossfield ball by Alejandro Faurlin found Connolly unmarked in the box who kept his composure to finish past the advancing Carson.
Albion were shell-shocked, but the found their feet gradually and had a couple of chances as half-time approached.
First Ikeme advanced well to dive at James Morrison’s feet after an interception by Brunt.
Then the goalkeeper pulled off a smart diving save to keep out a drive from the edge of the box by former Rangers loanee Ben Watson.
But the shot-stopper could do nothing to stop the Baggies reducing the arrears 10 minutes before the break with an incisive move.
A neat ball by Marek Cech found Cox, who was forced away from goal but managed to tee up Jerome Thomas on the left and his cross was met by a looping far post header from Brunt, leaving Ikeme stranded.
In first-half stoppage time Albion had another chance when Morrison challenged for a ball in the box and it broke for Thomas, but his shot was blocked well by the goal.
The Baggies started the second-half brightly and could have levelled after 10 minutes when Youssouf Mulumbu’s fine ball found Brunt wide on the right, but his cross was fired wide at the near post by Cox.
Albion then had appeals for a penalty turned down when Cox appeared to be dragged over in the box by Kaspars Gorkss.
But Carson went some way to redeeming his first-half error, with a fine save to keep out Damion Stewart’s header from a corner.
Yet the goalkeeper was the villain again moments later, as the Hoops regained their two-goal cushion.
Brunt was penalised for a foul on Taarabt 35 yards from goal as Carson and his defenders failed to deal with Buzsaky’s curling free-kick, which bounced in front of the keeper and looped over him and in off the post.
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I listened on Beacon. It sounded every bit as bad as the result indicates. My sympathies are with our travelling fans who paid a small fortune to watch a farce. Has anyone got an update on Simon Cox? It seemed unnecessarily violent on the part of the goalkeeper. Every week some poor sod is getting carried off on a stretcher.
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i said this two weeks ago & i’ll say it again.
teams don’t fear Albion any more because they
know how to rattle us & when they do that we
go to pieces! sorry to have to say this but i watched the dingle game on saturday hoping to see them get mashed up by utd? but fair play to them they showed spirit,determination & never gave up
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i said it two weeks ago & i’ll say it again.
teams don’t fear us anymore. top 3 team that can be easily turned over when rattled!
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drop scot carson now or forget promotion!
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I agree, Calamity Carson.
The expression on his face when teams attack is like a scared rabbit in headlights. He never comes off his line. NOT GOOD ENOUGH and why why why captain.
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how true you are i have said this from the start of the season
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cyril you cant blame the keeper it was not deliberate. We were extremely poor and we are definately not ready for the step up.
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Theres a whif of dingle in the air, aye boing boing
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please drop carson
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frank carson has spoilt my weekend,how he ever played for england god knows,he has to be droped the same as the loon n mattock, D.K. knows how to do the basics,what is it with us that we cant beat the whipping boys of the championship.we are, sorry were second in this bad division we should be confident,sure of ourselves and cocky,not bloody nervous wrecks,strooth.
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we should be out of sight from the rest by now,stop prattin about and sart acting like pro’s,if you cant then leave the club.
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was it frank carson in goal today both he and scott are a joke
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Wether we go up this season or not, one thing is crystal clear, Carson should NOT be in goal OR captain of this club, he is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH, it doesnt matter who is in front of him, Tamas, Olsson or even an international like Terry he still makes the simple things look so very hard, he may have undoubted tallent between the sticks but he has no nous when it comes to using it.
I have to say the same about Moore too, we all know he was a makeweight in the Davis deal but come on, how many chances can a player expect ?
Please mr Matteo, sell em both and spend the money on a proper keeper, you should get 5M for em both, maybe we can get Scott Loach for that. :)
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Never mind we shall be playing woolfs in the
championship next season,if our keeper keeps on
virtually throwing the ball into his own net.Bring
in a goal keeper on loan asap.
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We ay down yet cocker.
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[post 9+1]
Malta,
Just being facetious.How much would wolves
want for Ikeme.
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yow ay fer off cocker aye boing boing
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No.3 Concernedbaggie. Mate, nowhere will you find the goalkeeper mentioned in my post! It’s a team game and the TEAM display was not good enough yesterday. Waking up to play when you are two goals down is bad TEAMWORK. I rarely blame individuals for a loss unless they recklessly give away silly fouls that cost the match. I do have reservations about bringing two-days-ago signings straight into a team, any team, because they can’t be part of the system in that amount of time. One thing you can now be sure of. The boo-boys will slaughter Carson. We won’t even be able to sell him after the lynch mob have finished so the financial geniuses we have commenting on millions gained for a goalkeeper destroyed need to think again.
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[POST 10]
Cyril,
Sorry buddy,if you blame a player for reckless,
silly fouls,you have to blame a goalkeeper for
being reckless and giving away silly goals that
cost us three points.Yes, you are correct,if he
drops more clangers at home, ALBION fans who
realy feel for the club,will be on his back.Thats
the name of the game.
~~~~BOING~~~~BOING~~~~JtH.
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Your right CR we dont need the boo boys that is counter productive and not good for the team but the errors by the keeper and his overall permformances are not good and dont instill confidence in the rest of the team
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Agree with you.
RDM brought Tamas straight into the side and we lost at home.
Surely he should know that you keep a settled team and introduce new players for part of a game when the team is winning.
Leaving the defence as it was when we played Derby would have been the right thing to do as it did quite well – daft easy goal excepted!!
New players need to come in to the club and get settled in and curtains drawn before they are included in a team!!
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[post 10&10+3]
Cyril,Jeff,
Because of injuries and the dire need to rest players.Roderto Di Matteo was forced into bringing newly accquired players in earlier than he would have liked.Under normal circumstances I don’t think this would’ve happened.All the best.
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apart from the bit where you say “It seemed unnecessarily violent on the part of the goalkeeper”.
Perhaps that is what he meant!
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I knew it wornt going to be our day when we got on coach and were informed the springbok dont allow away fans in anymore:-( had a great time in shepherds bush tho,aye boing boing
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I’ll defend Carson when I think he’s being harshly judged; goalkeepers make mistakes and rarely can cover them, but yesterday’s errors were extremely poor. He was blamed for two goals by the media, but as someone who was a goalkeeper, albeit at a very low level compared to Carson, I thought his positional play was responsible for all 3 goals.
Vital to get stability back as soon as possible and the requires confidence and familiarity; too many changes have been forced or made in recent weeks. We’re still in there if we can find our passing game again.
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Who was guarding the Left Back position for their first goal!
Although Carson was at fault, there were other players AWOL who should have been doing their jobs!
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[post 12+1]
Jeff,
Its immaterial who was guarding L/B possition,There was no danger until the keeper bungled it,and you agree with that. Sorry.
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Any bush in a storm hey Sir Terence ?
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Any bush anywhere hey Cyril boingggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
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I should’ve said that Carson was let down by Cech and Thomas – Cech being out of position and Thomas hadn’t tracked back – for the 2nd goal.
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Bob,
You have played in goal, you know.Blaming Thomas is like blaming Santa for not having snow at
X-mas.
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I think it would be in the best intrest to take Scott out of the firing line tuesday and saturday cuz after yesterday one mistake and the boo boys will have a birthday.aye boing boing
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Terry,
You are correct,the fans who feel for the club WILL be upset.
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oh well, always the next game, come on u baggies,
well volkes made my day watching MOTD when he missed a sitter any one see it , he he he and seen mad mick in a thousand agonies made up for us losing, and does anybody agree that the forest manager is jimmy krankee in disguise?
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I had a long version for this blog but the gist is Carson Moore pay them off. Barnes in
place of JT I like Reid Watson RDM must be ruthless we have plenty of options if you have
a quiet or poor game replace with someone whose up for it. Is Nouble injured? better
option till Bedner is fit.
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I blame the odd team selection of the manager. Forest was the last time we played two holding midfielders and the result then was a 3-1 defeat. Dorrans should have played and I don’t acccept all this he was tired because he played in midweek rubbish! Carson is not good enough and while he does make the odd good save he does not do the basics well enough and he will cost us promotion unless something is done soon. Finally people who have read my posts will know I an not a fan of Luke Moore, however given the Bednar injury
he is the only player we have who can play the lone striker role. Cox does not hold the ball up well enough and even when fully fit Miller does not have the stamina to do it. It was ill judged team selection in my opinion and the manager needs to look at himself. I think it is between us and Forest for second spot and unless RDM learns form this I can see us missing out
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Wakey,
So Dorrans doesn’t deserve a rest.Where’ve you been the last couple of months.It’s obvios you have never played football or you would know.Moore can hold the ball better than Cox but Cox can put the ball in the net better than Moore.Surely there are other forwards who should be able to retain the ball….O.K. Manager.
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JTH,
I don’y agree with this oh two games a week and they are tired. two games is 180 minutes plus a couple of hours training most days. They are young atheletes and tiredness is just an excuse. My point was the RDM picked the wrong team on Saturday, Dorrans is our best player and should always play when he is fit. In did say I am not a fan of Moore but he is our best option if we play 451 and Bednar is injured. Cox is moore effectiveb playing withn another striker.
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This is where the tiredness debate gets distorted, when working men get offended at the idea a well-paid footballer is tired.
Dorrans IS a young athlete and he undoubtedly could’ve ran around for another 90 minutes if called upon.
BUT the point is he’d have been playing against a midfielder who’d played considerably less football than he has in the last week and last 2 months and as games go by he’ll find it increasingly difficult to maintain the same high level of performance.
RDM sees Dorrans every day, and uses statistics of his fitness levels we’ll never see. If RDM thought Dorrans was up to it on Saturday, there’s absolutely no doubt he’d have played him.
He didn’t play, and we’ve got to learn to survive without Graeme Dorrans.
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Wakey, If we take 20 minutes to realise we are in a match, then the Premiership is not the best place to be. I still believe the word ‘match’ should mean that for sport. Equal contestants, not the unbalanced, scratching to survive at the bottom, Premiership, so I have tormented views on promotion. The money is necessary to pay wages for players. The club find that money essential for forward planning. The supporters want to go up until they get there and then the canals are full every Saturday.
Queueing for suicide? That long line on the left sir.
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Bang on, Cyril. the idiots are running the Premiership.Sir Fergusson stating Rooney wants a rest because he played two games in a week.Paying “Cloud cookoo”prices for players plus
exorbitant wages.You wait untill the balloon goes up.That day isn’t far off.Some are feeling it now.Thrifty clubs will be glad they are.
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great post cyril i feel the same as you,you want promotion but you know it’s gonna be hell if we make it.i know we will always have a club because we are so well run, but it’s so frustrating that we never make a real go of it when we get there.
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Havent been here for a while but always read with interest. The constant debate is Carson and whether he is good enough. Personally, I dont believe so. This was a player that was to fetch millions a few years ago and now I doubt we would get our money back for him. Time for a change, especially as the Pole in Goal wants away from Manure!!
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Time to drop Carson for his sake as well as ours,Need to take him out of the firing line
+ he won’t be able to handle the pressure of the run in.DK till the end of the season then
if we are in the Prem would go for Sorenson.
Also cannot believe we haven’t bought in a striker in the tranfer window or on loan we have many on our books but only Bednar is up to the job the rest could leave right now for me
Billy Davies keeps saying Forest are not ready to go up not sure we are either
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i agree totally! carson is a decent keeper
that is not cutting it at the moment.
time is ticking on & we need to be picking up points against teams like Qpr.players who
cost us points through lower league errors neeed to replaced!RDM has done it with the loon & mattock now it’s time to give carson a
rest & give Kiely the green light.
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I agree with a number of comments about Carson he is a liability in between the sticks i can recall at least 10 pts being dropped this season because of him how many more is he going to make us loose before he is dropped for Kiely its a pity Daniels is out on loan at Tranmere at the moment we could have groomed him his having a excellent season on loan there and then we could have got rid of this headless chicken
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Saturday’s game reminded me of Mowbray’s first 6 months in charge, I’m afraid. £30 million of “talent” terribly underperforming and it’s been like this for weeks now. I hope that Di Matteo is not out of his depth, as his team selection was “bizarre”. At least Reid did well at RB.
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Just like last year for Di Matteo, come the run in he blew it big time, hope his greed totally backfires on him. Sorry you Baggie fans but he is no better than the guy up in Waterloo Road. On the good side you will be getting your local Derby back next season.
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Greed? He just wanted to better himself at a higher level. I’m sure you’d do the same given the opportunity.
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Don,
Sorry son,Mick McCarthy and Roberto Di Matteo are
incomparable both as players and Head Coaches.
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I think Carson has had a relatively decent season, I would say he has made no more mistakes than most other keepers in the league. People just won’t get over the mistake against Croatia, that’s why Carson will be unfairly treated for the rest of his career, get over it and support the bloke!
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At last, a sensible post.
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The point is Ant the better keeper sits on the bench every week and right now we need our best players on the pitch in every position
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The better keeper? Is this the same better keeper that everyone kept calling for to be dropped under Mowbray because of his hesitancy on crosses, his stupid short passes out to our defenders when under pressure instead of just hoofing it clear? And general inability to control his box on set pieces?
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That’s the one
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But when he plays, he’s not the better keeper though is he? Because the boo-boys turn on him too……
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This was an extremely disappointing result but non unexpected. I cannot understand why RDM made 4 changes to the team that won only 7 days before. Cox for Bednar was forced, the rest were not. If you look back at February when we had a good run, Koren, Mulumbu and Dorrans were key but only Mulumbu figured on Saturday. I think RDM got it wrong and unfortunately, I think he will get is wrong quite a few times before the end of the season. A few weeks ago, tomorrow’s results would have been almost a foregone conclusion, not any more!
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No result in this league is a foregone conclusion. Look at Leicester they beat Forest 3-0 and then lose to Wednesday who had been beaten 5 at Reading. This league is all over the place and there will continue to be unexpected results for all the top teams until the season ends. Koren and Mulumbo both played 90 minutes for their countries midweek and surely it’s sensible to include Watson and Morrison who had both had a week’s rest. Looking at the league table it is stupid to start doubting the judgment of RDM . Injuries and suspensions have disrupted the team not RDM.
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this division is all over the place with one exception, newcastle.their home record is amazing,when they have a team on the rack they finish them off.i know they haven’t beaten us this season but they are far more consistent than we are.they are going up and they deserve it,it should be between us & forest but you always have someone who puts a run together on the run in, so it’s not a foregone conclusion.
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i agree wi some of the comments on here but carson aint going to be dropped and becauase of that we need to support him not crucify hum which is wot some fans want on here at least it wil save brunt from getting stick, now imo rdm is the 1 at fault he picks the team chooses the captain wot should carson do drop himself and give the captaincy up i thought at the begining of the season it needed a manager wi more experiance than rdm
and billy davis as got this and this will av a big bearin from here in . contreversy now but i wouldnt have been dissapionted with warnock we would of had a stronger playing style which is sadly lackin at times this saeson
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Slippy, for 3 lines I was with you totally, then you want Warnock up here! OUCH! I suppose it would divert the boos away from the players. Billy Davies also knows he is too successful at this level for the good of Forest. Roberto does what he thinks best at the time and he sees the players closely each session. I personally would never change a winning team, nor would I start with players who have just joined us two days before, but that doesn’t make me right. Only different.
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