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Birmingham 2 Wolves 1
Sunday 7th February 2010, 3:30PM GMT.
Kevin Phillips struck twice in the last ten minutes as Birmingham’s late show broke Wolves’ hearts at St Andrew’s.
The former Albion striker was a 63rd minute replacement for the injured Christian Benitez and hauled Blues back into a game which was drifting away from them.
Two predatory strikes in the 80th and 85th minute won it for the hosts despite Wolves’ impressive showing. The outstanding Kevin Doyle had put them ahead just before half time after they had weathered an early storm.
The result was harsh on Mick McCarthy’s men, as the manager made five changes from the side who capitulated in the FA Cup at Crystal Palace.
Goalkeeper Marcus Hahnemann, Stephen Ward, David Jones, Matt Jarvis and Kevin Doyle all returned for Wayne Hennessey, Richard Stearman, Nenad Milijas, Geoffrey Mujangi and Sam Vokes.
Blues had the luxury of naming an unchanged line up for the 12th successive Premier League game, but recalled Phillips to the bench following his groin injury.
The hosts started quickly and Ronald Zubar’s excellent tackle halted a flying Lee Bowyer, before James McFadden’s drive was headed behind.
Cameron Jerome’s goalbound header was deflected over by a covering Michael Mancienne, as Wolves tried to ride out the pressure.
Blues midfielder Sebastian Larsson then hit a sweet long-range volley two yards over after 14 minute, before Hahnemann had to be alive to smother at Jerome’s feet after Benitez’s knockdown.
The visitors were fighting back and Dave Jones registered their first effort, when his free-kick dipped over goalkeeper Joe Hart’s bar with 23 minutes gone.
Doyle was then brought down just outside the area by Hart, who was cautioned, but Jarvis’ free-kick was easily cleared.
Wolves had found a foothold and Zubar should have put them ahead just after the hour, planting his header from Jarvis’ free kick wide.
But Blues fought back as Jerome fired at Hahnemann and Scott Dann volleyed wide, but the visitors were now matching their in-form hosts.
They took the lead three minutes before the break when Hart superbly kept out Jarvis’ deflected cross, but Doyle was on hand to tap in from three yards for his sixth goal of the season.
The home side then felt they should have had a penalty, when Zubar shoved Liam Ridgewell in the back in first-half injury time. But Wolves had a new lease of life and opened the second period brightly.
Benitez limped off after a tackle by Hahnemann to be replaced by Phillips as Blues struggled to break Wolves down, but they were seeing more of the ball as the visitors began to sit deeper.
Foley tested Hart from 18 yards before Adlene Guedioura unleashed a rasping 25-yard effort, which flew inches over with 13 minutes remaining.
But three minutes later the hosts levelled when Barry Ferguson tossed a ball to the far post, which Craig Gardner headed down for Phillips to tuck in at the near post.
The former Baggies hitman didn’t finish there, grabbing the winner five minutes from time when Stephen Carr was allowed to run from deep to tee up Phillips, who found the corner with a neat volley.
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What now mick? No left back, berra clueless, defenders in midfield. We are going down in a hurry. Early bird time jez- you must be joking!
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Totally agree about Ward, his positional sense, not only costs us goals but also results in our other players having to cover. But Mick is too stuborn to do anything about it !
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ALL THE PROBLEMS HAVE COME FROM THE RIGHT WING IN RECENT GAMES HENCE WARDS POSITION THE NEW LAD LOOKS USEFUL STRONG BIG GOES FORWARD WITH SPEED AND A SHOT LIKE A MULE BUT HE WILL NEVER DROP FOLLEY OR WILL HE?
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wOZZA The new guy failed to a track Carr for the winner.He was closest when Carr started his run but he just stopped.So no legs after less than 20 minutes.He also lost Fahey at the start of the move for the first goal.I agree other parts if his game look promising,but we have not got time to wait until they are up to speed.
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Programme notes will make interesting reading on Wednesday evening.
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Malta. It will be no problem,Moxey is the man of a thousand excuses.The only one he lacks is ‘sorry I got it wrong and will do my best to not let you down again in the future’.
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LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
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just warming up, i hope !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is it just me or does the ‘unchanged side for the 12th successive game’ not speak volumes about where are two respective teams are in the league?
(well that and the fact that they have a better player in every single position!)
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Certainly agree with your first point.
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Like I said before and will say again much as it hurts me they have bought well and sensibly for the future.
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Also, we were the team that looked tired towards the end, not them.
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to quote my villa fan brother, its all very well, working hard and putting the effort in, but if you havent got the quality youre doomed at this level!!! I hope he is wrong but doesnt look like it !!!!!!!!!!
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McCarthy just do the decent thing and leave !
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Wolf at the gate… Do the decent thing and shut up
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excuse me…..just shut up?
Why can’t people express an opinion?
Oh sorry you have the devine right to!
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So you think that the current situation of 2 points from 18 is good enough !
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It is good enough for MM……
What formation was that today?
Foley on the left getting in Jarvis way nearly every time….clueless
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wolf at the gate……do the decent thing and start supporting the Wolves for a change
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HE IS A SUPPORTER, ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND HIM IS .. HE’S HONEST AND YOUR DELUDED.
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I think its the other way round mate. Any one that thinks that a promoted team from the championship should be sitting comfortably in the premierleague is clearly deluded. The honesty comes from the fact that most people expect us to be in the relegation zone come the end of the season, and it will be a huge achievement to survive on goal difference.
Were still in the race for survival, yet people still complain about not running away with games and being higher up the table. Heres a reality check people, Just because were the Wolves, it doesnt mean we have a devine right to run away with every game and finnish above the relegation places.
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The problem is I do and attend the games. I honestly thought that this season we had the best chance of staying up and building on that and establishing ourselves. I will still continue to go and support us and again next season, wherever we are. We have the players to stay up but not the tactics or team selection.
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The tactics were fine yesterday, it was the players that threw away the match. Letting teams pass the ball in to the box for the first goal was riduculous, and as for the second goal, ward let his man, run from the half way line all the way into the box and then dink a ball to Phillips, without even attempting to put a foot in.
Ward was disgusting yesterday attackingly and defensively. If only we had 10 other Kevin Doyle’s as every time he touches the ball, he shows pure class. The new guy showed some promise, and hope in a few games when hes up to speed, will get us some goals from midfield.
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we dont have enough quality players !!!! not ‘we have enough quality players’ !!!!
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wolfhed the tactics were fine were they tactics that have consistenly been inadequate with central defenders and right back in midfield playing 1 up front in a team that has scored the least ammount of goals in the divsion and considering you expected us to be in the bottom 3 moxey obviously didnt as he “apparantly” offered Robbie Keane 70 thousand a week. Face it we have not got the players to stay up and Mccarthy must go for failing to do his job well enough.
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wolf at gate, typical ‘stay at home’ wolves fan
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towerwolf – typical blind faith…..MM will play you next week.
Mind you couldn’t do any worse!
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Think you’ll find thats you mate…happy clapping arm chair fans, happy to see that idiot of a manager take us down.
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if mm speaks in the dreesing room like he speaks on interviews theres no wonder that the players aint motivated, the only player that was motivated was doyle,
sick of playing with one up front, its not working what happend to 442 like at the start of the season, we played much better under that formation.
doyle cant do it all, espiecially when no one goes to support him when he wins the ball.
cant see us getting any points from the next 3 games.
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Totally predictable,Ward destroyed again this time by a 35 year old for the second goal,12th time in 24 two or more conceded,Manager tactically naive,Mcleish changed the game with his substitutions whilst our comic duo McCarthy and clipboard wait until 88th minute.
The season is rapidly turning into a nightmare with Mick’s unwillingness to see the light.
Where oh where can you see the next win coming from.
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Philips substitution was tactical not because of the injury to Benitez and was told on TV before the injury.
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McLeish subs change game, McCarthy’s subs; one reduces effectiveness of midfield, neither of the other two touch the ball. Morgan, if you have any ambition then bring in the new manager now. He can then bring in players in the close season to get us out of the championship and maybe keep us up.
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NO…new lad looked impresive….bad luck boys…Ward not good enough should have got Naylor back….Phillips again W************
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impressive until theor goal…..loked like running in treacle instead of covering wards inadequencies
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Totally agree about guedioura, he looks very impressive and should get more game time, i’d play him in place of jones or mancienne in midfield, nice that he has already agreed a 3 year deal.
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Why was Carr left to run all that way before the second goal ? DISGRACEFUL
MICK OUT
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A much improved performance only for it all to be undone by letting Carr run half the pitch without being tackled which led to their winner.At least one if not three points thrown away!
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He was allowed to run the length of the pitch as Mick’s son Ward was at left back rather than an actual footballer. At fault for both goals again, same as Wigan.
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cause ward bottled it, despite lil jarvis making carr bounce of him every time the 2 challenged for the ball.
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we are soon going to be the laughing stock of this league !!!
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We already are
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McCarthy out !!!
McCarthy out !!!
McCarthy out !!!
McCarthy out !!!
McCarthy out !!!
Give Paul Lambert a go, He has wored wonders at norwich and colchester and he can’t do any worse than the MUPPET
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I am also absolutley gutted but!!! I suppose justin was also shouting super mick mccarthy last year. Yes I agree things are not going to plan but get behind the team and stop calling for Mick’s head. One win and we go up 3 or 4 places. I still have faith even if you do not. Paul Lambert !!! give me a break.
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Mick Mccarthy give me a break!!!
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Oh my God!
When oh when are you happy clappers going to get real?
“One win and we go up 3 or 4 places”
No win in 6 now!!!!!!
We keep hearing we only need 4 wins and four draws or 5 wins and we’re safe!!!!!
No win in 6 now!!!!!
Stop living in dream land and wake up. 3 of our next 4 games are against Spurs, Man U and Chelsea! I suppose you think we’re gonna get a couple of the required wins there are we?
FFS WAKE UP!!!!!
Until the idiot in charge of our team gets his tactics right we will not win another game.
451 is a defensive formation designed to shore up a leaky defence – well guess what 7 goals conceded in our last 3 games using this formation!
It is not an attacking formation unless you play attacking wingers who can support the front player and chip in with goals. So who are our 2 wingers? Jarvis (who I like on the wing but 1 goal so far this season hardly makes him prolific) and Foley our player of the season last year (AT RIGHT BACK!!!!!!) with no goals so far this season so even less prolific than the other winger!
This is a defensive formation that isn’t working so change the bloody system to one that the players are comfortable with and oh one that we won a division with last year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Blimey. Have you finished yet
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Critisism is justififed. He needs to get us out this mess.
However to sack him is ridiculous. It would be like sacking a CEO just before the end of financial year.
We will no hope of getting a decent manager now.
We are in trouble, and we are going to come out of this mess from within. Support the team and do not make it more difficult than it already is.
At the end of the season we can then make big decisions on managers.
Lets face it you have probably had it in for McCarthy since he started. Has it escaped your notice we won the champioship last season.
Support the team as the name would suggest you are a “Wolves supporter”, not slater.
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I agree with you in some parts, but feel that if we had a decent right winger the 4-5-1 could work well for us. Foley is not good enough on the wing as hes not an attacking footballer, Kighlty and jarvis on both wings with bia able to come off the bench, would put a huge amount of pressure on the oppositions defence and possibly get us a few more goals to win games.
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Absolutely gutted! Gutted at the result, gutted at our lack of investment, gutted that we haven’t given ourselves a fighting chance in this league from the minute we heard the final whistle at home to Donny Rovers last term!
I unearthed a copy of The Sun that I kept from the morning after that game. The front page with players celebrating and the headline ‘SPLASH THE CASH’….apparantly McCarthy had the green light to spend spend spend! Then there is Steve Morgan on stage at the recent Hall of Fame do saying that the money was there to spend and that there would be considerable investment to ensure our survival! Moxey saying that we had learnt lessons from our last doomed campaign and we ensure Premier League survival! All complete twaddle!
Where is the investment that Morgan promised Sir Jack he would make? As far as I can see all we have spent is a fraction of the Sky money and not actually a cent from Morgan’s pocket! I could have bought the club for a tenner and made the same level of commitment that he has!!!
We are a joke an absolute laughing stock! If the money was there then I blame McCarthy if it wasn’t then Morgan and Moxey! We have blown a golden opportunity to stay in this league and will instead throw ourselves back into the Championship lottery with any one of 10 teams scrapping it out!
I am gutted absolutely gutted that the fools running our club have let this opportunity of long term premiership football slip from our grasp! I know we are not down yet but I genuinely cannot see where the next point is coming from!
Gutted absolutely gutted and unless they cut the price of a season ticket drastically for next year he can stick his earlybird squarely up his rear end!
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played well but simply not good enough for the premier league experience is the key and we simply have not got it in our team let down by the board and manager championship here we come again im afraid GUTTED.
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“played well” are you joking
blues could have been 3 up after 10 minutes, I know they weren’t but surely our team shape showed you we would never stop the chances they created.
time for change – No manager and coach is better than this manager and coach
this is not a knee jerk reaction, this is a cool contemplated desicion based on our terrible form and poor tactics, MM and connorare now clutching at straws.
To coin a catchphrase – “rabbits in the headlights”
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Fraid not mate for the first 20 mins we looked like an amatuer team, then we got into the game with only the help of Doyle’s class and guile and ability to actually do somethng with the ball, we played very little football and looked nervous and always likely to buckle I don’t believe for a second that most of those players thought we would go on and win it. I feel sorry for them, right from the off they are set up to fail by the manager.
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Phillips just dont like us, he is a poor player, also he da even start the match..
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he isnt poor at all, he’s a quality finisher, just a shame he only has to turn up against wolves to score
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he isnt poor at all, he’s a quality finisher, just a shame he only has to turn up against wolves to score.
SAME AS MOST STRIKERS IN THIS LEAUGE UNFORTUNATELY.
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Kevin Phillips is a poor player ?
I dont know what illegal substance you`re on,
but i advise you speak to FRANK.
Also, “Phillips just dont like us”…….Not unique is he ?
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Shame he wasn’t scoring for us instead of against us – eh?
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Karl Herny is a poor player Phillips is all most 40 he is still faster than our captain i was at the game on Sunday i was very close to getting my head kicked in by Wolves fans because i was giving Mad Mick stick by the way Wolverhampton Wanderers is bigger than MM!!
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level game, McLeish brings on 3 players and they all contribute to winning the game. Second goal goes in and McCarthy and TC are muttering to each other looking totally lost.
I feel sorry for the majority of our championship winning team, these players should have been supplementing summer buys in their 1st season in the prem. Where are all our summer buys, Mijias, Castillo, Hoff?
Sorry Mick but your starting to look very limited and a bit lost mate, we need somebody in midfield who can thread a ball through like ferguson and bowyer did all game.
Foley right back, Guedioura and Mijias to start midfield and for gods sake put somebody up front with Doyle, might as well go for it with the defence we have got.
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Hear Hear! Muck or nettles as me dad would say. You got that midfield right son
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Whilst I would not ordinarily advocate changing a manager part way through the season and I do recognise the excellent job MM did in getting us promoted but surely he has taken us as far as he can in the Prem. McLeish and the Blouse have shown us how it can be done and I think we may well now have to accept the fact that we are the 2nd or 3rd worst team in this league….which means only one thing, we aint gonna be in it next season!! Absolutely gutted given the relatively mediocre quality of the bottom half of the Prem but our current situation really sums up the vision the 3M’s have for our beloved club.
Forever Wolves!
TWB
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McCarthy OUT NOW. Do the decent thing Mick and go now.You have lost the plot ie.if you ever had one.McLiesh new exactly when to make changes,remembr a change in the 88th minute is just not going to do anything .GO GO GO.
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the taxi is waiting its time to go
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At least the players tried today, Kevin Doyle superb again. We held out for 80 mins and lost again to a super sub, 35 years old it had to be Phillips. When is McCarthy and his captain going to get it, playing with this formation will not win games or points, we had the perfect opportunity to change the nature of the game at 55 mins, we had them for the taking, and what do we do nothing until the game is lost and 88min. Ward was very poor today and Craddock, Berra, all three players out of position for the goals. Hannerman was also poor. Mancienne is not good enough. If McCarthy wants to see what is wrong look at the Telegraph Stats for each player esp Ward. He is so pig headed he will not change players or the game. When we played attacking fotball last year we won games, HELLO!!! so he must be changed now.
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i like the sound of paul lambert …morgan get him now and give us a chance… if we do go down lets go down fighting, and with a belief that we can get back….utw
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End of the line, surely?
How the board must now be ruing not getting more quality into the side. We’ve got one player of undoubted Premier quality, and it shows. Hahnemann looks to be a step up in goal too, to be fair. But the rest… unable to string more than two passes together before a misplaced pass or a hoof in the general direction of Doyle. Not their fault – they’re Championship players being asked to play above their capabilities and I don’t doubt they all give 100%. All of us would give 100%, but that doesn’t make us footballers.
Mistakes of the past have been repeated. I don’t know whose fault that is to be honest – probably all 3 of the Ms must take a look at themselves and ask if they could’ve done more. Birmingham have assembled a side capable of staying up comfortably so why couldn’t we?
“Not here to make up the numbers” and “We’re not going to do and Albion” will come back to haunt this lot.
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Cant disagree too much with what you say apart from players giving 100%. I’m not convinced.
I worry for Doyle; he has so much to do as the lone striker and then helping out in defence is asking too much. He must wonder if he did the right thing in coming to Wolves.
Disappointed too with Mancienne’s performances. He looked a real find during his initial stay with us but like the rest of our team, has been found wanting in the Premiership.
Judged on Sunday’s performance, I wonder where the next point will come from. And later this week, I will be in the company of fans from that team in W**t B******h; it will not be a comfortable night in the pub.
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Phillips is an example of a player with proven premiership experience – the sort of player we were in need of for this campaign. He is knocking on 35, has hardly played this season but can still turn a game – he knows what it is all about and finished us off in a fifteen minute spell. We deserved more out this game but …. . It is beginning to look bleak.
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Mick,if you decide to do the honourable thing and resign,before you are sacked,you can borrow my van.
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To salvage a rapid declining season and ending up back in the championship we must act now. We won the league last year by attacking, losing 10 games out of 46 which is nearly a quarter but we won a large slice of those games. We have done the opposite this year by mostly playing 4-5-1. Mccarthy has had his chance, he has bought effectiveley a whole new team but is waiting for something to happen. Making constant changes to the team both in personnel and style will upset any football team and he has one of the worst records as a premier league manager. Football is all about confidence just look at birmingham finished 7 points behind us last year now they are 16 points ahead of us this year and growing!! If we want to survive this season there is only one manager who can instill confidence and attacking sense into this team which to me looks shot. That person is Kevin Keegan. Offer him as much as he wants and he will inject a huge amount of confidence and enthusiasm not only to the players but to the fans and football people of wolverhampton. If we were serious about getting keano or adam johnson then we should be serious about spending good money on a top manager who knows what its all about. C`mon M&M act now before you start to look like the chocolate version of them.
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I agree.There is no doubt that the players are giving 100% but it is not going to be enough to keep us in.There have been some promising buys but they will only succeed together with established premier players WHICH WE DO NOT HAVE.Im afraid that the cause was lost in the Summer and most certainly thrown away in January.I cant see any point continuing with McCarthy who is also way out of his depth in the premier league.Would KEEGAN COME in our present state??He must have done something right at Newcastle as the fans love him and would have him back tomorrow or sooner.
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The inability to keep a clean sheet is costing us dear. We were doing o.k. for most of the game but lost it at the end.
2nd from bottom is a true reflection of our league form. We need a few miracles now but we’ll support the lads all the way.
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On Tuesday we had a 7 minute hat-trick from a defender, today it’s 2 goals in 10 minutes from a 36 year old striker. In the next month we’ve got Tottenham, Man U and Chelsea – Even the happy clappers and the Board must be starting to see that the writing is fast appearing on the wall.
The fact is that Wolves fans have been badly let down this season. Burnley invested in the January transfer window and the result is that both players scored and they picked up 3 points against one of their delegation rivals. Hull put 2 strikers out against Man City and look what happened. Forget the talk of Johnson, Hunt, Keane etc, the simple truth is we brought in two Belgians on the cheap and we are not an attractive proposition for decent players.
Morgan – Wake up smell the coffee and get Moxey, McCarthy and Clipboard out of here.
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Again championship football in the premier league, one up front isn’t enough in this league. MM is a championship manager so why is he still here? Morgan why do you keep a management team that under performs every week, where is your ambition and commitment you talked about when you came to the club?
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sorry Wolves gold – one up front can be enough in this division – if you’re Man Utd and that one is Wayne Rooney, with Nani, Giggs, Fletcher et al supporting.
But with our squad – you’re right it’s just like our manager – unlikely to succeed!
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I SEE THE MICK OUT IDIOTS ARE HERE AGAIN
WHAT A SAD LOAD OF FOOLS YOU ARE IM SURE MOST OF YOU 1 SEASON WONDERS WILL GO BACK UNDER YOUR STONES COME THE START OF NEXT SEASON
WE DONT NEED YOU ANYWAY
LOYAL TO THE END !!!!!!
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stouport
Are you that loyal that you are blind?
Can you honestly see MM guiding us to safety, and if so how?
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Cap locks off,sums up your mentality.
It may have escaped your notice that we conceded 2 again, lost again, are now second from bottom.
Spurs and Chelsea next up.
Loyal to Whom WWFC or MM.
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Agree !!! I just hope everyone slagging them off today gets behind them on Wednesday.
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we are always behind the team ,,but lets not delude ourselves that we are comfortable being lead by an inept manager and co
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Don’t call me an idiot- home and away season ticket holder and ast hiolder since their inception.
Mick has lost the plot and should have been sacked at QPR home when he got us up.
He is tactically, completely clueless. When Doyle amazingly scored yesterday we should have gone 442 and gone for them. Our defence is clueless anyway.
At the moment we have only Doyle and Hahnemann who look genuine premiership players… that leaves a lot of dead wood.
Mick McCarthy doesn’t give a damn about this club or its supporters, he is only here for the money. We aren’t, we will be here long after he has gone and that gives us the right to voice our opinion.
At the moment MM is asking players to consistently play out of position and then sits around like Lemony Snicket wondering why it doesn’t work and abusing the fans.
How dare you abuse the fans you clueless imbecile.
He has not yet witnessed the wrath of wolves fans but I am sure it is coming Wednesday.
Do the decent thing and resign.Take stourport wolf with you as he doesnt seem to realise that difficult decisions have to be made for the good of the club and the business.
There is still time to save this season.
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well said shewolf,some fans on here like stourport wolf must be watching the games with blinkers on if they cant see whats happening to this great club of ours he says loyal to the end well that end will come soon with mad mick in charge relegation is just around the corner and if that happens it could be anouther 5 years in the fizzy league obviosly what stourport wolf wants,like you say there might just be enough time to save us but the change has got to be done now cmon morgan sort it out,,,WE ARE WOLVES,,,in mad mick we dont trust,,,ilk
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Indeed changes need to be made ASAP. I think he needs to go now, irrespective of whether we beat the Spurs.
I’m all for Mr Hughes myself at least he would get them playing with some belief.
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Isn’t it significant that after the match Phillips comes onthe TV for a comment but nothing from Muppet. Now in the bottom two and what as the simpleton achieved?
Castillo – brought in – not used
Halford – brought in – not used
Bia – broght in – out of his depth
Hoff – brought in – supposedly injured
Then we are paying wages to Murray who would injure himself tying his shoes.
Absolute shambles. If Morgan hasn’t sacked Muppet by the end of the week, he will have proved to everyone that he has no ambition or interest in the success of this club.
Early Birders? tell them to stuff it up their Championship and sign it JOB DONE!
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we are all being took for mugs. earlybird haha. time moxey showed us his hand before we part with any more hard earned cash.we are a club full of centre halfs and yet i cant see a good one.we have no experiance anywhere on the field except for Doyle cant count craddock been in div one for to long.we are woeful as a team and have at our helm a manager who is totaly inept.time for change or we will go down faster than the titanic. by the way where are all our pre season signings ? sitting on the bench or sitting at home? 18 million wasted except for the six million spent on Doyle.cant blame m.m for all of this mess moxey has to shoulder his share.birmingham proved that moxey was not at the races when it came to Scott dann gazumped by karen Brady.crystal palace manager was quoted as saying moxey wants bargains wants something for nothing. now you know why all w.w.f.c. deals are done quietly and are so protracted.come on jez time you held your hands up. you told us it would be different this time.the ghost of Dave jones is comming back to haunt you.
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3 and a half years with no left back worthy of the name was our undoing. Inept defending of the wide position for the first then allowing a pensioner to run 35 yards at you with the ball without any attempt to tackle for the second.
How long before Morgan finally realises that allowing MM to play people anywhere but where they should do will take us nowhere. Again a team with 2 defenders in midfield whilst true midfielders are left out, 4 centre backs in the team et al. You could’nt make it up but alas it is true. Please, Morgan, be positive and give us hope with a new man in charge.
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10 minutes is all it took for a 36 year old striker to show our strikers how to score.
10 MINUTES!!!!!
That is what a sub is supposed to do, they come on with enough time to try and change the game. What do we do? We send on SEB (did he touch the ball?) and Surman and give them about 5 minutes (with time added on) to try and get the impetus back which was already long gone for Wolves. The no new signings in the window is now starting to hurt as it’s SO obvious Doyle needs a partner. As good as he is, he can’t do it all on his own, although god bless he him that’s what he is doing.
Once Keogh is fit he HAS to play up front with Doyle IMO. You can say what you want about Keogh but NOBODY else has looked like being a decent partner who keeps up with Doyle’s excellent runs. When Kightly and Edwards are fit they may yet bring something to the play (here’s hoping anyway).
To lose in that manner after being in front for almost a good half of the match is hard to stomach. I have no idea where the points we need are coming from, really I don’t.
How many times has Phillips done that to us throughout his playing career? I remember the first time I can recall was when he played for Watford. It was at home and we were leading from an 8th minute Geoff Thomas strike. I think it was around the 88th minute, Phillips was on as a sub and scored the equaliser after taking advantage of a defensive slip (can’t remember who the defender was for certain but I think it was Paul Blades). From that moment on he has haunted us, whoever he has played for. COME ON we should KNOW what he’s capable of by now?
One thing I will say though is this. If the ref had been more observant then Bowyers first yellow card should have been his second and he would have been off! Regardless of that though, we MUST defend better when we have a lead, more so if we are away. Having seen Guedioura play today I would play him in place of Mancienne next game. He does look like he can make an impact in the middle and we so desperatley need a player who can do that. Mancienne looks better there than as CB/LB/RB but still not enough physical presence for me.
Although we lost it was a much better performance especially from Foley. If he had a bit more luck (and a strikers composure) he would have scored at least once. I still do believe we need to play a winger there as that first chance SHOULD have been buried by Foley. I’m sure if Doyle was in that position he would have scored.
Anyway, none of that matters now, this game has gone with no points earned. Barring a miracle I think the writing is on the wall now myself. I haven’t thrown in the towel just yet, but I want to see some more fight from our team. It WAS evident in places today. If we are to go down, let’s at least go down fighting and not with a wimper!!!
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Keogh isnt the answer – We cant defend – we sit too far back and generally play ‘kick and rush’ – or should i say long ball hoof
MM hasnt a clue bout tactics and neither has TC
Imv SM and Moxey are thinking that MM will get us back up NEXT season
Personally MM will probably achieve promotion again from the Chumpionship – but when we achieve it – for goodness sake GET RID pay him a BONUS and hire a manager and CEO who can negotiate at this level and get some results
NB* Ward left by Carr (How old is he?) for 2nd goal and NO ONE marking Phillips who was given the freedom of our box???
WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU DOING MM AND TC???
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I didn’t say Keogh WAS the answer!
Doyle though does need a partner who can stay with him and help him out. If we can just score a few goals (more than 1 in a match would be good) BEFORE we concede, then maybe the defence wouldn’t be under so much pressure all the time when we do take the lead.
So if Keogh isn’t the answer then what is? Given that nearly every striker at the club has played up front with Doyle Keogh is the only one I’ve seen who actually complements Doyle’s willing runs and great play.
You can defend a game till the final whistle but it only gets you 1 point for the draw. We need to WIN games, not draw them. If we really have a go (4-4-2) instead of 4-5-1 or whatever the formation we play is then we at least give ourselves a chance. We may still go down but at least we’ll have given it a real go.
I agree with you, I know we can’t defend. That’s been evident for most of the season (Spurs away excepted).
We also CAN’T SCORE and thats WORSE.
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I know what you mean BF – I believe that Wolves team have a far more serious problem in the fact that the players are playing like a bunch of school boys – hoofing the ball up the pitch and then chasing it – we also have that many defenders on the pitch that we are sitting back against our own box – where the defence and midfield become one solid mass of disorganised players
MM’s only answer is to play this way!
MM and TC have no idea that the wide midfield and full backs on either left or right side should be working together up and down the flanks – and this would mean that MM’s fears of being exposed out wide would be contained as the opposition would have to break down 2 players on each side and not one that leaves the full back standing on his own – that imv would allow us to have another striker on the pitch
The lack of goals imv is down to the lack of support that Doyle gets throughout the game – as any team playing us quickly find that we are so badly organised throughout the pitch that its only a matter of time before we conceed
Centre half’s normally drift towards the middle (that’s why they are normally a centre half) – this causes more space for the opposition wide men and full backs – this is what exposes us
S Ward was good as a make shift left back in the Chumpionship – its not his fault – but MM’s for making the lad believe that he is better than he actually is – the same mistakes against Wigan at home and Blues away is living proof
In summary – no tactics no full backs leave wide gaps out on the pitch – MM and TC have’nt got a clue
I cannot see us getting any points from anyone as MM and TC cannot do their jobs and we dont have a real left back and wont play our best right back in his position either
Not to mention a captain who tries hard but cant do it on his own with no sense of purpose or outlets to go back up the pitch
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The Usual Suspects.
(sorry, I can’t reply to your second post so doing it this way instead)
Yes, I agree totally. We do not pass the ball along the ground as we did last season, and in this league there are too many better players who will (and often do) win the high balls that we play FAR too often ahead of Doyle and others. We can pass it SO much better, we all know that.
Here’s an off the wall thought.
How about Milijas as captain?
He was good enough for it at Red Star and is also captain of his country, you don’t get to be captain of your country for nothing do you?
He reads play well and would also be able to play the ball forward MUCH more often than KH. Don’t get me wrong, Karl isn’t terrible but look at other teams in this league. Their defensive mid player picks the passes to set up the attacks, Modric, Barry, Carrick, even Bullard (when fit) does it for Hull, so why don’t we try? A fresh way of thinking is probably our best option as the current way is NOT working (despite what MM thinks).
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I agree with your comments as Henry is not vocal enough imv – and we desperately need a leader who can put his foot on the ball and slow or speed up the play when required
Milijas I agree wasn’t made captain for no reason but I dont see stubborn MM changing Henry from being captain anytime soon – as MM would rather die first then except that he is ever wrong (the ego has landed)
Imv I also believe that MM finds it difficult managing anyone that has a better than average talent; as he has’nt ever really achieved much as a player or a manager (not being disrespectful just saying it like it is) and you only have to look at his spat with Dennis Irwin whilst he was manager of EIRE and Irwin had just completed being part of a Man U treble winning team (inc Champions League)- MM tells Irwin (a level headed player that Alex Ferguson rates highly) to ‘prove himself’???
A little power can change someone – Imv, MM doesnt have the abillity at this level – and I am starting to believe that his tenure at Sunderland was more a case of the board not wanting MM to have significant funds
If we do (God forbid) go down – I believe MM is more than capable of getting us up again – within 2 seasons – But I hope that SM does’nt keep him beyond that and gives him a ‘golden thank you’ and gets rid after that promotion
Here’s hoping for the best for this season – either way imv SM should be looking to clear the decks – and also getting rid of a CEO – Moxey who is again ‘out of his depth’ at this level
Up the Wolves!
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As a Wolverhampton Bluenose, come the 77th minute I am thinking, it’s been a good run, but if we are going to lose to a team at the bottom, at least let it be Wolves. You lay down for us at Molineux at the end of last season otherwise we would never have got up.
But it was easily our worst performance since early October and Wolves look pretty bad now. Ironically, I have never known so many poor sides in the Premier league as this season, so you really shouldn’t be in this position. Why do Wolves never spend any money?
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just feel sick as a parrot my 12 year old son in tears had enough macarthy just go
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Wether we like it or not kevin phillips whoever he plays for always seems to do the business against us.
Don’t know why we didn’t sign him from the boggies for owt,for his age and his fitness he would run rings around the likes of seb.!
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We could have the best coach in the world, this team is not good enough, period.
Being 19th or 17th doesn’t make any difference right now. We could be 17th until the last game (and of course lose like we always do…) and be relegated. We could be 19th and win the last game and survive…
The last 5 games of the season are all winnable. If we finish something like 3-1-1, you never know…
I wouldn’t bet on it but hey…
UTW
(I have a feeling Mick will be sacked after the 100% sure defeats against Tott, Chel, Man Utd coming up)
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really upset about the result. Kev done it again, knew it would happen asoon as he came on….sorry …but…he is quality his record shows that. new boy looked good. Why does he keep playing foley in midlfield?? he has the two best chances to make it 2/3 nil. we need some quailty and investment. if …i if MM goes who would we want to see there? Big Sam or Roy Hod for me
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I think most of the postings on here today are going overboard. I agreed last week with all the retoric after wolves abject display At Palace, but today I thought the team were as good today as they were bad in midweek and they were desperately unlucky to not get at least a point against Birmingham. We must keep things in perspective and while Im not MM biggest fan I think we should at least stay positive and keep behind the team for the remainder of the season.
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What a load of tosh you spout. Any team seeing Phillips coming knows what he is about and then we give him tome and space in the six yard box? Our defenders do noy have a clue about anything let alone football.
Not just Phillips, if we create those chances for Doyle he would put them away as well. Leaving three players un,arked at the far post is a cardinal sin – it costs you at this level. Second goal – whole team carved apart by two 36 year iolds- says it all doesn’t it?
Manncienne – send him back to Chelsea – his bodu language says he is not interested in being here!!
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this was a better performance,you can knock your head against the wall only so many times,fact is several of these players have only so much ability,fact,and we have to live with that,only moxey and morgan could have done something about that.so if they try and use that ability what esle can you ask for or expectjust look at what birmingham have spent in comparison,wish mancienne would player a little further off the back four.we played a bit of football at times today but its hard for them to have the confidence to try and play football.sadly birmingham have bought a good team,and i never expected a result just cause they live 20 miles away.if we need to slaughter anyone from the terraces make it the two fat cats upstairs,dont turn on the workforce as long as they do their best.if we ever have to face kevin phillips again for gods sake man mark him !
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It’s a bit sad that Wolves fans can’t accept defeat with good grace but , instead, have to lash out, usually at MM who is doing his damnest for this Club.
Let me add 2 points….1] We played well today…so credit to manager and team.
2] If we’d held on today, I suspect these posts might have been very different.
Disappointment is part of the game…learn to take it on the chin. All this juvenile blaming is corrosive.
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it doesnt matter if we play well. its the results that count
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We needed a decent signing in the transfer window not 2 second div belgian nobodies! Supposedly we offered 1.5M for moses & clyne that just shows our lack of ambition! Doyle will go at the end of the season-no doubt. Not looking good!
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simple fact is we have a captain who is not good enough for top level football should be a rugby player he always passes backwards,,,, with him playing let alone captain we have no hope …. as for ward ,,, well hav`nt time to bitch about him, he`s so bad its not funny anymore
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I’m confused irishwolf – what did Henry do wrong today?
Can not believe the amounf of stick this guy gets from our fans. And you can see from my other comments that i’m not a happy clapper but without Henry putting in the defensive tackles our goals against column would be twice as bad!
When are you gonna get it into your head Henry IS NOT AN ATTACKING MIDFIELDER!!!!!
He is the holding midfielder!!!! It’s his job to win the ball and give it someone he knows who can then pick the pass. Today that role belonged to Jones.
Henry is not in the team to create the chances – he is the spoiler of the opposition.
I guess you lot all went to the Mick MacCarthy school of tactics – CLUELESS!!
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Hahnemann gave henry a telling off as he was coming off the pitch for failing to tackle his man which led to the free kick.
He also had an oppoprtunity to prevent the second goal.
We have a whole field full of players who won’t tackle. They just insist on jockeying players. Is this the coaching of a former centre back?
Ward needs to be told to tackle more.
Jarvis allows Carr to skip round him and Carr is almost old enough to get his pension.
Guediora however looks tough and I am looking forward to seeing more of him. He must be wondering what he has come to.
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Stourport Wolf your stone is clearly stuck on the CAPS lock.
I think you’ll find that most of these comments are not from Fools as you put it but long standing fans who are tired of a lack of ambition both on and off the field.
I admire your unstinted loyalty but it doesn’t mean everybody has to accept 2nd best!
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Sack him now before it’s too late – the man’s a joke! get Curbishley in while there is still time to rectify our position!
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Just been trying to think when was the last time that we actualy won a local derby in the league against either Bluenoses The Tescos let alone the Villa. If my memory serves me correct when we beat the Albion last it was in the cup.
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Solentwolves …Without a doubt mate. By the way he’s 36…I feel so sorry for doyle. Something seriously aint right down here.
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the only striker we have worthy of that title is Kevin Doyle,and HE IS GOOD.The rest of the ‘strikers’ including…Seb,Iwelumo,Vokes and the Hoff are,at best,Championship players.We just can’t score,and because of that we are heading back to what has become our traditional home.Such a shame!The heirachy are all to blame in their own way.Morgan hasn’t put his hand in his pocket[in fact he's made a profit sofar].Moxey is beset with Championship thinking including transfer fee levels and wages.Mick has been very poor in the transfer market-he’s bought in quite a few players but,apart from Doyle,none of any real quality.Had he spent this money on just one or two Prem players we could probably have just avoided relegation.As it stands we’ve got plenty of squad players but none of them make any difference.They are all average in the context of the Wolves team,although one or two might blossom in a stronger all round team.
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the league table dosent lie oh sorry it does we should be bottom.come on even the happy clappers must see how poor we are.what a joke poorest pl in years and still cant cope.why is it that it is us wolves that always suffer
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THAT’S WHY WE ARE GOING DOWN! Great spirit but unfortunately the players are not up to the required level of the premiership. I thought S.WARD had one of his most inept games and was at fault for Birmingham’s second goal. How he let Carr run at him for 35 yards is beyond me. I really can’t see McCarthy turning it round now – Its not the result of one game but many mistakes that have happened since the Summer. Bad signings, not playing the players that he bought to come in, playing players out of positions, and so on. However I am afraid all these issues cannot disquise the fact that THE PLAYERS ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! Playing Henry day in day out when at best he is a very mediocre player in the the top flight is inexcusable or is it, as this is the best we have!!!!!! I am totally dejected right now and only hope we can show some fight and not lose our spirit completely.
Don’t think changing the manager will have any lasting effect right now, but hope that there are some big changes in the summer as this cannot go on!!
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The Chickens are coming home to roost! Inept manager, poor squad, a CEO who holds us back and a disinterested Chairman.
Regardless of the score, after last season, with the right leadership, we should have been like Blues now. Instead – money spent, all the spin, the promises and where are we? Where we belong, NO Ambition, No Leadership and No Idea. 3 M’s OUt, get a decent Manager immediately otherwise the only way is down- watch this space!!
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Stourport Wolf – You are the biggest idiot on here. You just can’t see it.
Blindly following your club doesnt get you anywhere. If you cant see that McCarthy is a complete and utter failure at this level, then sorry, you need to get your head out of the sand and look at the table.
This club is going down under McCarthy. 14 Games to save our season, which might be enough for a motivator!
Sack McCarthy now!
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I can not see the point in calling for McCarthy to go. Who are we seriously going to replace him with? Paul Lambert? Kevin Keegan would be a better option but would he want to walk into relegation battle. I doubt it.
look at the positives it was a vast improvement to some of our more recent performances and we can play better. Hull are 14th. IF we win our next game,which is possible anything is in this league,we go above them. That is how close it is. I still think it will be out of 6 teams going into the last 3 matches. There is no reason we can’t scrape it,if we stay behind the team and stay positive. UTW. Never say die.
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I bet you think you are going to win the lottery too!
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Who do we replace him with,
my next doors dog.
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I reckon that when we play Tottenham on wednesday, McCarthys fate shall be decided. I cannot see us picking up any points from anywhere anymore. Can we beat Tottenham or Chelsea? NO. Bolton away? course not, could we beat birmingham today?. Man Utd? i dont think so. The way we have a chance of winning these games is by a flukey result and “workman like” performance. ie tottenham. All our other relegation rivals (except for portsmouth) have been picking up points in recent games. Hull, Burnley, West Ham. If we cant get a result against Tottenham then i reckon were as good as down.
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mick did try a new formation 7-2-1. mancciene (not slagging him off because he was a lot better than in other recent games) was deeper than our 2 in defence even though they were as deep as our own box. doyle was fantastic. if not for him we would have a lot less points. while phillips made the difference bowyer is the type of player we lack, up and down getting in front of the forwards crating space, no one seemed to track him. we are just a team of headless chickens unfortunatley but it’s the system the manager chooses to play which makes us that way. lack of investment. lack of imagination and lack of class.
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Well said Brighton Wolf couldn’t agree more. The 3 M’s out before it’s too late!
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Just back from the game and I’m absolutely gutted! Don’t think I have ever felt so bad walking back in B’ham city centre. Inexperience showed again at the end, Carr had so much space down the wing to get the cross in for the second goal.
The team now is not as good as last season’s! Instead of buying quality players to add to the team McCarthy went for quantity, which has not worked. It seems that McCarthy struggles to attract quality players, I wonder why!!!
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The result was predictable. The scorer, when he came off the bench, was predictable. What is also predictable is that Wolves do not have sufficient depth of quality to stay in the premiership.
I wonder, with the unknown purchases from the Belgian league as the only activity in the transfer market in January, whether the Board are sending out the signals to MM of their view on his long term tenure in his current post.
Like many Wolves fans right now, I am upset that we find ourselves in the increasing depths of a fight for survival.
Equally, the performance against Palace wasn’t even worthy of the Championship.
Sorry MM, but I think your days are numbered right now.
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As all of you who know ive posted on here for a few years and have never been a MM supporter,… I thought we were a little better today but it dosnt really matter as it still ended in same result!…but what cost us the game was their manager made his subs at the right time and as usual MM did nothing,..bringing on 2 subs with one minute to go with us chasing the game is unexcusable,….thought D.Jones gave us a little bite in the middle and thought the new bloke did ok to,…might be ok if he can get a few games in(unlikely with MM though!)..but send the other one back!.
I fear the worst now, especially with the games weve got coming up, but no investment, false promises and clueless management will send us down im afraid.
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Mick needs to go, his tactics are a joke!
We will go down at this rate,
So annoyed right now it’s untrue!
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WOLVESWANDERS I like your spirit, however the problem is our team does not have the players to keep us up. Lots of running around but no real class. The old addage “you pay peanuts you get monkeys” could not be truer in our case.
THE DREAM IS OVER – WE ARE GOING DOWN!
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I forgot to add,..you have to hold your hands up and say fair play to Kevin Phillips,..he does “exactly what it says on the tin”…quailty player,..but also M.M. this is what can happen with players playing where they are suppose to!.
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Phillips scored more goals in 10 minutes than Ebanks Blake has scored all season.
Get rid of the clueless muppet NOW!!!
I finally now believe that Mick will get the sack, not because of results or position in the league, but purely due to the fact that it is the only way Moxey & Morgan can sell any earlybirds.
If he stays the club will lose millions in earlybird sales and I can’t see jez letting that happen.
After all at the Wolves now, its all about money…………………..
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Danny Butterfield scored more in 6 1/2 minutes than IWELUMO EBANKS VOKES and MEIRHOOFER all season
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As a loyal Wolves supporter this just is not good enough, games are passing us by with points ungained, goals not scored, players out of position, and players that we have signed which are not good enough apart from Doyle, who will probably leave if we go down, have we got a clue how to stay up because there is only one place we are going…. back to the fizzy pop league!!
At the end of the season if we go down, saying we couldn’t sign quality Premiership proven players will be no excuse, we all knew we had to do this to stop up.
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This was the weekend that Wolves were relegated. Can’t see us getting out of the bottom three now! Time for Morgan to plan for life in the Fizzy Pop. Time to bring in some new blood and get rid of McCarthy, Clipboard and Moxey. Time to prove to loyal Wolves fans that you mean business Mr Morgan please.
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Morgan will already be planning for the Championship – he knew at the start of the season that this would be the case.
If you spend peanuts – what do you get?
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Totally agree, we will pick up zero points from next 3 games, we will also be 9 points from safety after this which is too much to get back, never mind we gave it a go. UTW
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I hope your last comment was tongue in cheek….”never mind we gave it a go” yeah right.
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Doyle is wolves best player full stop but when the season is finally over and its not looking good like when albion was up last year.
the wolves board have not spent enough on quality players you need players to turn games just like KP has just shown
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biggest problem i have is that dave jones was clearly the best midfielder on the park and he took him off. WHY? Early bird will be delayed till next win mark my words
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Totally agree, Mancienne to me looks a liability there and in my mind was not having a good game. He looks too light weight and never gets a clean contact with either his head or foot.
Ward was and is nota left back and I feel sorry for Jarvis with the quality of passes and support that he doesnt get from Ward.
A Better display than at Palace but that was not difficult, and I thought for the first 10 mins of the second half the Blues were there for the taking.
Mick Im sorry but like the majority of players we have your out of your depth in this league. Skills and tactical awerness are required that neither you or members of the team possess. I feel we have taken a step back rather than a step forward this season. Its surely time for you to go.
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SPOT ON
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Probably because Jones had been booked and had committed two further fouls following that. Suspect the fear was that he would be sent off.
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Yes but Mancienne had also been booked and I’d much rather see that waste of space off the pitch than Jones
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A left back would be usefull.
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MM has managed to turn a pretty good Championship team into despair and relegation. If this Manager and squad were currently in the Championship we would not make the play offs.
We missed the boat when Shorey went to Fulham. He lives in the Midlands since being at Villa and would have been a great loan siging that would only have cost us his wages!!!
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FACT MIENOFFER HAS SCORED 1 GOAL OPEN PLAY GIVEN 60mins play ALL SEASON
E BANKS BLAKE HAS SCORED 1 GOAL PENALTY
1,775 MINS PLAY ALL SEASON
THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF THE BLIND FAITH McARTHY HAS IN SELECTIVE PLAYERS.
THE LIST IS AS LONG AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT.HE IS CLUELESS IN HIS SELECTION AND TACTICS.HE SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF A HOSPITAL BUT THERE AGAIN HE WOULD BE OPERATING ON THE WRONG LEG
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Look at some of the rubbish that has emanated from Molineux this season –
“ We will not do an Albion”
“ We have learned from our previous mistakes in the to league”
“ We will only sign players who improve the squad”
“ Square pegs – square holes”
Never in Wolves history has the Club come out with statements then NOT backed them, on and off the field.
Tickets dearer than nay other club
Never any praise for the fantastic support (particularly away)
WE ARE DOING AN ALBION
WE HAVE NOT LEARNED ANYTHING FROM OUR PRVIOUS VISIT TO THE PREMIER LEAGUE
WE ALWAYS PUT ROUND PEGS IN SQUARE HOLES WHEN IT COMES TO TEAM SELECTION
WE DO SIGN QUANTITY BUT NIOT QUALITY.
Halford – Not as good as we had
The Hoff – Not as good as we had
Surman – Not as good as we had
Castillo – Not as good as we had
Miljias – Not as good as we had – he has played two good games and only played 90 minutes twice!
Hill – Not as good as we had
Mugangi Bia – Not as good as we had
THE OTHERS –
Kightly – Quality but injury prone
Hennessey – Lost it big style
Iwelumo – Lost it big style
SEB – Lost it big style
Keough – Injury prone & timid
Berra – No pace lack of concentration
Craddock – great heart – too old
Elokobi – Never had it
Rest of the squad – ok when played in the correct position.
ANYONE DISAGREE WITH THIS ASSESSMENT???
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Spot on fella
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Fantastic support?
Do you read these boards?
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I Agree mate,what about HENRY…One good game against Villa then well below average.Pathetic signings right from the start of the season-with the exception of Kevin Doyle the rest of them wouldnt get in last seasons team(well they have-theyve made it worse!)…..One player you never mentioned,hes a young left back that on the very few times hes played for Wolves hes played well-GEORGE FRIEND,shurly hes got to be better than Steven Ward at left back????-then perhaps he could play Steven Ward in his propper position,up front with Doyle!!!
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Wembley 66.. I have to disagree You are not doing an ALBION.
We actually tried in the January transfer window whilst we where in the prem.
in your post 68 reply again cant agree to take a ball on your chest on the turn and volley it was sheer class. The class is not all about finishing its the knowledge how to wriggle free of defenders to get the space in the first place.
How many wolves fans would agree that SEB would have scored the last one if it where the other way around.
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It was all going so well, and then Kevin Phillips comes on, when’s he retiring?
In truth we could have been three down after the first ten minutes, it was like the Alamo but we made it through and looked threatening at times, great shot from the new guy.
As Hull and Burnley showed a win takes you a long way, what would we give for the double over Spurs.
We need someone to partner Doyle up front SEB or Big Chris must start alongside him.
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So we lost against a top side that hasn’t lost in ages. Big deal. We were winning for 80 minutes and got done by sheer class. Hats off.
Our season will be won and lost by the fight against the bottom 11 sides. We only have 2 sides to better (since the Pompey Pom Poms have burst).
Yes, we are rubbish against top Premiership opposition, but so what? Our season will be lost and won vs. the rest.
I still believe!
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That was not sheer class from Philips -
We allowed two 36 year olds to play into space. How Doyle would love the two chances that we allowed Philips to have, any stroker in this division would have finished the two Philips did – the difference is we NEVER create those chances because our midfield if full of defensive players NOT CREATORS!!!!!
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Sorry mate have to disagree.
They were 2 class finishes by a great CF, who has scored the majority of his 250 goals in the Prem.
We didn’t give him space he found it & that’s what being a top CF is all about.
I hate to say it but credit where it’s due.
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Silly boy!
Birmingham got promoted with us last season, they are not a top side. They are just a well managed side that has bought well.
We are a poorly managed side that has bought very poorly. Still a Championship side.
IN NOBODY AT WOLVES| DO WE TRUST!
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But we’ve already lost at home to West-Ham,Pompey,Wigan,Got hammered away at Blackburn,taken 2 points off Hull.
Bolton,Burnley both picking up points at home.
Can you please tell me exactly WHERE you see three points coming from?
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Probably going on a bit too much but we will not get anywhere with one centre forward. Goals win matches and we do not create anywhere near enough and when we do create the odd chance we are not good enough to finish. Doyle was the best striker on the pitch but they have a ” natural” goalscorer……priceless at this level.
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K Bloody Philips again!!
The only way to stop him scoring against us is to put him in a wolves shirt before he reaches 39…too late for that now anyways…watching the after match, i can see MM is in total despair, he hardly had to say a word really.
The dice have been cast anyway now, so its Bolton, Burnley and Pompey 9 points and nothing less will do.
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One of the consequences of going down this season is that we might not see the likes of Doyle & Jarvis in a wolves shirt again. I dont think the vultures will be cueing up to take anyone else off our hands. Agree DJ played well and taking him off for the new guy seemed to be way off the radar, however to be fair he was on a yellow + warning.Sadly due to the overall lack of investment it could end up in a race for bottom between us and portsmouth.
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Perhaps we should have sold Doyle to Hull in the window?
Ah, hang on that would not have made any sense – selling our best player to a relegation rival.
If only we’d have thought of that before wasting a month pursuing Hunt!
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I am a not a Wolves fan not a blues fan – not a fan of any West Midlands club, but am staggered that Wolves are seriously suggesting that Mick should be sacked or resign 2/3rds of the way through the season. The transfer window is closed and who do Wolves think they are that they someone suggested that they could have Paul Lambert?!!? Why would he leave Norwich? Sacking a manager at this stage of the season would be madness!?
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Wolves think they’re a super club Clem, that’s where this all comes from.
A significant proportion of the posts after the Palace game made reference to the ‘mighty Wolves’ been upstaged or embarrassed.
You’re not a big club anymore lads, and you’ve no divine right to stay in the Premier League. Does anybody remember where you were 20 years ago?
Whether you like him or not, McCarthy’s more successful than about a dozen of his predecessors (2 England managers included), get behind him before you undermine your own team’s chances of survival.
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Warren,
Dont waste your breath.
There’s an unblieveably high proportion of fans on this board that think we should be top half, having anyone we want sign for us, because its all so very easy.
That aside, We played well yesterday, but how Craddock, a man that has played against Phillips on countless occassions, and even been in the same squad at Sunderland cannot learn how to pick the guy up amazes me. Craddock has has a good season, but was poor when Phillips came on.
Still, the usual ‘hardcore’ fans will be out on this board this week, should be fun to read all the ranting abusive nonsense.
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Alex,Still cant see the wood for the trees.Blues hammered us first 25mins and had they had a half decent forward could have been well out of sight before Doyles goal.
Ward totally out of his depth in the prem.
Craddock/Berra central defensive pairing leaking more goals than we can cope with.
Foley not a midfielder/winger.
We are rapidly running out of games but MM will not waiver from his favouritism costing us big time.
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It is called having an opinion lads, we are all allowed our say.
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Malta, Its called a difference of opinion Matey, thats all.
We may disagree on a regular basis, but I dont accuse you of being wrong, having to smell the coffee or not being able to see the wood for the trees.
Deal with it. We both obviously want the best for our club, we just think we should go about it in vastly different ways.
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Alex,Fair comment mate–Good luck on Wednesday I know we be will backing the lads.
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OK lets start looking for a new Manager.
We need someone who can work with players with little or no ability.
We need someone who can manage without spending money.
We need someone to play football the right way like we used to a few years ago.
We also need a successful manager so Moxey can bask in the glory whilst getting gazzumped by the likes of Karen Brady.
There is a man in the lower leagues that actually DOES deserve a chance and it’s definately not Paul Ince (ask Blackburn).
That man is Sean O’Driscoll.
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He his the man, went to school with him in Willenhall, (Leveson)think that he could do the Job, and play football.
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Stourport Wolf how old are you,12,13?Grow up and join the real world.
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As soon as Mcleish made his subs i knew Phillips would score, he made the right changes at the right time.
Now ask yourself this question, how many times has MM made a tactical substitution this season and changed a game? I can’t remember one instant so far this season when this has happened (please correct me if i’m wrong). Even when he has made changes in a match, and they can be quite bewildering, the players that he brings on, are no better than the players he takes off, which obviously means that the squad players he has bought in are not up to Premiership standard (with the exception of Doyle that is).
Sky TV said it all before the match even started, B’ham have been unchanged for the last 12 games, that’s why they have put a brilliant run together. If MM stopped changing the team week in week out, and playing players in the wrong positions. I think we would certainly have more points on the board than our present measly 21. After two thirds of the season gone he still doesn’t know his best formation and team, he is without doubt one of the most frustrating Wolves managers we have ever had, sometimes the obvious is staring him in the face, but he cant either see it, or is to stubborn and set in his ways to change.
So, as I have said before on this forum, he should have got the boot when he lost the plot against Manchester United, I will never forgive him, for waving the white flag before a ball had been kicked. I know some will say that’s all in the past, but that still hurts, and I wonder what the great Cullis would have made of that day, when we became a laughing stock of the Premier league.
MM your time is up, and Mr Morgan what are you going to do about it ? Are you a man or a mouse? Please squeak up…
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if you cant defend properly at this level then you deserve to go down.
Wolves’ defending for the last 10mins was disgraceful.
A 36yr old has beaten Wolves on his own.
We are down. We will be at least 6 or 9 points a drift come March.
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So much for Captain Karl’s rallying call ‘Beware Blues, we are like a wounded animal!’ – Spot on, like a drowning kitten!!
This dismal season is getting worse as Muppet becomes more desperate and exposed for what he is – time for a change NOW, so we may get some cahnce of escaping relegation and even more humiliation. Curbs or Coppell would be great!!
I bet Moxey is already planning to sell the ‘silver ware’ next season to fatten the bank balance and his wasit!
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wolvesmod go back to the albion pages, Burnley and Hull have difficult run-ins and we played very well yesterday.
The referee bottled it big time, Johnson and Bowyers two footed lunges (straight reds)Bowyers other 4 bookable offences, Dann and Hart being last men and bringing down Doyle, they could of had 4 sent off and the ref missed a blatent penalty to them. Ward has this awful habit of backing-off wingers we were well covered behind him, we need a natural leftback. The new lad looked very good when he came on and nearly scored a screamer. Lets get Kites, Keogh and Edwards back, we will survive.
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I am loathe to resort to insults as I usually think it means you have lost the argument, but laughing wolf how dare you continually insult wolves mod who has told it as it is for months and consistently faced abuse even though he has been right?
Your first paragraph sums up why you are clearly on day release from the funny farm- Burnley have just beaten Man City and Hull got a point off Chelsea.
It is too late for us to take anything off Man City, but can you see us taking anything against Chelsea?
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I would check your facts before posting. Firstly, Burnley beat a struggling Westham side, the game had absolutely no quality. Hull beat a below-par Man City but have just had 3 home games in a row and we have a game in hand on them.
Wolvesmod is a whind up albion fan, he has been right about nothing, last season he was on here we were going to bottle it and went very quiet as we lifted the trophy. You have lost the argument.
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You won’t be laughing when we’re playing Scunthorpe next year.
Quite possibly your the number one happy clapper.
So tell me, why should Mick stay and what makes you think we will stay up?
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I am not Micks biggest fan and sometimes I am as confused as the next supporter regarding his decisions and regrdless of whether we stay up or not I would like to see Steve Coppell or Mark Hughes in as boss.
We have been depserately unfortunate with injuries to key players for long-periods. We have the youngest squad in the premier league and we tried to add experience in Richard Dunne, Hypia, Robbie Keane etc but they went to bigger clubs on more money.
Micks done a good job overall and succeeded where many have failed spending only a fraction of what previous managers have. If we were in the championship (poorest ever) with this squad we would of been as good as promoted already, it is terrible mostly due to a lack of funds at clubs. I am confident we will stay up but if we dont we will bounce straight back with a club in the black.
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Defending for the 2nd goal was inexcusable at any level. Following the substitutions, the veteran Brum right back was allowed to run from the half-way line directly into the Wolves penalty area unchallenged.
Very poor squad strengthening by the management in both transfer windows. Doyle apart, the players added are no improvement on those signed in past seasons.
This is not a league in which sides can get away with playing trialists and players played out of position. It also helps to assemble a squad containing players in all areas able to “look after the ball”.
Very disappointed with the club’s management.
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I think that Mick should remain in charge until the end of the season as the transfer window has shut and any successor would not be able to start bringing in their preferred players.
I have until now been a supporter of Mccarthy as our manager but I wonder if the end of this season might be the logical time to appoint a new manager and get some fresh ideas into the club. I accept the board’s decision to not overspend and jeapardise our long term financial security, and I also accept that there remains the chance that Mccarthy could keep us up with a couple of results going in our favour, but what has finally made me lose faith are the team selections and the formation. Personally I cannot abide our timidity. How many defenders / defensive players can he put into the team? I can accept defeat. It was to be expected this season given the gap in resources between ourselves and other clubs. What I have become increasingly angered by is this desperate attempt to stifle other teams with a four five one that bolsters its midfield with extras defenders. if that style of anti football is acceptable then lets bring in ginger megson and has seven two one formation and have done with it.
I want us to play four four two with width and pace and I want us to attack. I want to see players try to win games rather than try not to lose games. In short I want wolves to play like a wolves side should. I want to be entertained by a team playing with spirit and courage, win or lose. Whoever is in charge next season and whichever league we are in that is what I want and I don’t think it’s an unreasonable demand.
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I agree with most posts on here that i cant actually see where the next win is gonna cum from, playing a striker at left back, a centre back in central midfield, a right back on right wing says thick mick has lost the plot on its own without even mentioning transfers.
Burnley sign a good Left back in Danny Fox from Celtic, Most Definatly going to be on affordable wages and is a position we are severly lacking quality in, where was our offer for him? if they can do it why cant we.
If we played our strongest team in the right positions i would say ye we can beat Pompey away, Burnley away and Bolton away, Maybe Push tottenham for a draw on Wednesday but at the moment i cant see it happening at all.
I work in an office with Blues fans, a Villa Fan and an Albion Fan, and although ALbion are the ones in the CCC i feel like i am the laughing stock.
Fed up of moaning anyway so im shuttin up
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I cant understand why we were linked with a RB from Palace when its so obvious to any spectator its a LB that we are desperate for!!!!!!
Do you think Mick might need to go to specsaver!!
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Better performance but still not good enough.Both goals came from the right which again shows the folly of having a player with little no defensive skill and no positional sense at all playing full back.Will the manager now pick a more attack minded team and perhaps show us what might have been.Sure Doyle would like some support up front.
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I don’t see the point of sacking the manager now, who we going to get?
MM days must be numbered now, but i think as fans we have to get behind the team in these difficult times, we all knew it was going to be tough season, and its proving that way, our fater won’t be decided till the last game.
Onto yesterdays game ,was it just me or did it seem that the ball was a bomb or something, not one player put there foot on the ball and composed themselves when they had time too, it ws too much kick and rush, i think Manciene should go back to Chelsea as he is very poor and offers very little. put foley where he belongs, and put Zubar in the middle with Berra, jumanji on the right and Jarvis on the left, and play doyle and seb up front, lets start attacking and not rely on this 4,5,1 rubbish as its too negative.
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Lone Wolf-spot on.
At the end of the season, if, as looks increasingly likely, we go down again, McCarthy and Moxey both need to leave. There then needs to be a period of rapid reflection as to what this Club wants to be/aim for.
Money aside, it strikes me that McCarthy likely has problems with certain personalities who don’t fit a compliance stereotype.
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This game did not relegate us – home losses to Wigan, Portsmouth and Birmingham relegated us. Yes, we are down – you need to face facts – we need three teams to be worse than us and I can’t think of anyone worse than us. As a side issue we didnt play that badly yesterday, far better than the three previously mentioned matches, but….
we do not have the quality to survive – I said at the start of the season we probably have one prem quality player – Doyle. The others have had their chance and failed miserably.
Mick should go but there is no point now, might as well wait until summer – transfer window shut, do you really think anyone will save us? – more importantly, Connor should go – how many managers have we now had with the SAME tactically inept COACH?
As for people calling for Moxey – he is a businessman NOT a football player, coach, manager – it will make no difference to the results whether he is in or out – yes he controls the finances(thank god, at least we are in black)but doesnt select transfer targets etc, he might be unlikeable but its not a football issue.
Morgan was meant to guarantee £20 million investment as part of his purchase – how much is left for the championship side rebuild for next season – that is what we need to know.
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Times up!!!!!!
I wish i could see 3 points somewhere from the next 10 game.
Anybody??
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Not me.. i Think we’ve had all are supposedly easier games already
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With MM in charge no I cant see it happening.
However change the Manager to say Hughes and I reckon there are 5 games that are winnable there.
Trouble is most of those are away fixtures.
If we stand a hope in hells chance of staying up we need to have a new manager in place for the weekend
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Well back to the championship, dont blame Mick! OUT WITH MOXEY HE IS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR. HAS DONE A GREAT JOB DURING THE WINDOW – SAVED MORGAN TWO AND SIX.
Atleast Sir Jack bled Gold & Black and Liverpool Red hey Morgan.
MORGAN OUT – MOXEY OUT – MORGAN OUT – MOXEY OUT
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I am gutted. We went with the wrong line up but in my opinion we never deserved to lose the game. Blues were the better team first half but the home section was silent until the last 10 minutes and we were on top in the second half.
We need to give the new midfielder a run out. Playing Henry, Mancienne and Foley is not the answer.
Bolton is a must win game, as it is highly unlikely that we get anything from Spurs, Chelsea and Man Utd.
Moxey will suffer from the lack of transfer activity when it comes to season ticket renewal!
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Although we could easily have been 3 goals down after 15 minutes yesterday by the mid-point of the second half we were looking quite comfortable and,indeed,having most of the territorial advantage and then ‘Negative Mick’ took off Jones and changed things. Why ?? The new lad did ok but the change gave Blues the initiative and we started to sit deeper and deeper. Even MM in his post-match interview said that we were the better team for the first 25 mins of the second-half. YES – AND THEN YOU CHANGED IT !!!!
Ward was poor yesterday (both goals his fault) and left-back is a real problem position so why did we let Hill go out on loan.He is no ‘world-beater’ but,at least,he is a left-back.
Despite the mediocre quality of our summer signings,I still believe we have enough to stay in this league as there are a number of poor teams but the manager’s tactics and team selections are seriously hampering our chances.
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As much as i disagree with Mick’s team selections/tactics he did get it right with Jones.The lad had been booked and the way he was carrying on had every chance of being sent off.Fairs Fair.
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we will survive comfortably and super mick will be awarded a new contract, end of conversation.
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Ahh, what an emotional rollercoaster that one was. Shame it ended oh-so-predictably, but there we go.
I spent the entire second half wishing minutes away. That we got so close… and, of course, as soon a Brum equalised, we all knew what was coming next.
I could go through the negatives, but what is the point?
I did have real concern about Mick leaving Mancienne on the pitch after he got that yellow card. Every time Mancienne went near another player, I felt we were going to go down to ten-men. He makes me nervous!
Jarvis put in a good shift…
Kevin Doyle is a Wolves hero and I wish that we could field a team of eleven players who had skill and determination in the same equal measure as this young man.
New boy Guedioura… good grief… could we actually have found someone halfway decent? There were glimmers of football brilliance here – coupled with a bit of fighting backbone. But will Mick ever putting him the starting line up?
Where was Milias and why doesn’t he play? Where were all these other new folk whose names are now forgotten?
When are Kightly and Keogh coming back?
Has anyone else noticed that Wolves performance and dip in league exactly match the absence of Andy Keogh?
Oooh, controversial!
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Totally agree with all you have said here – ESPECIALLY THE ANDY KEOGH BIT………..
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Yes Keogh back with Doyle please
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No not controversial, FACT.
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We cant get in new players but we can get in new coaching staff. I dont think the players are that bad – especially if they are played in their correct positions and given the right motivation.
Would it be a good idea to bring in a motivational figure – such as Terry Venables? It is patently obvious that MM and Clipboard Connor have ran out of ideas.
The only way is down unless we do something to change thinsg around a bit.
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Kevin Phillips the only ex sunderland player we should of signed.
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Aint that the truth?!
A soon as i saw him coming on i said to my missus, we’re in trouble now.
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If we don’t beat Spurs then Mick should go and take the Bhatti Brothers with him – aka Moxey and Morgan!!!!!
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For me Moxey and Morgan are as guilty as Mick. Yeah tactics are bad, positioning is awful but Moxey didnt do his part and complete lack of input and it would seem finances in January by Morgan also didnt help. The 3 M’s have taken us down. Next 3 home games are against who??
Gutted. Will not renew. What happens if we go up again in two seasons time?? Same rubbish will happen again with the fat cats getting richer.
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The truths now out about the transfer window,Palace have said we offered just 1.5mill for both Moses and Clyne they were never going to sell them for that kinda money,it looks like in reality they didnt intend to spend any money in the Jan window.
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An improved performance in parts, but lets all of us face it.
Wolves are not good enough in this league. The 1st goal,,,poor poor marking allowing a free header to come across from 1 end to another and well, you can let a marksmen like KP to be left alone. Both goals came from the left side of the pitch.
MM, the squad is not good enough, too many defensive minded players on the pitch, and I feel sorry for Kevin Doyle. He played his heart out but he knows he has dross around him. I these happy clappers still saying to support MM??? DELUDED YOU LOT ARE!
Steve Morgan must be cheesed off,, what has he come to?
MICK OUT!
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The point of changing the Manager now is we may still have a chance of survival with 14 mathes to go,if we go down we need a new manager in place before the season ends so that he can deal in the summer window.
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I blame Alan Hanson, his constant vote of confidence on match of the day as cursed us!
I hate Kevin Phillips but i wish he was on our side!
If we DO go down then it will be time to rip it up and start again but until then – i’ll back our manager and our team all the way! got no choice :)
Like the new guy, whatever his name his who we signed from Thingybob, dont like the players out of position, Foley needs to play right back, Big George back at left back, Zubar central with Craddock, Hurry back Keogh all is forgiven, get fit soon Kightly.. Hopefully back to basics then with Kightly and Jarvis down the wings, Keogh upfront with Doyle, New guy and Mijias or Jones in central midfield.
I’ll be saying my prayers at night!
Up the Wolves
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Mick McCarthy is a good manager and a thoroughly decent bloke. However, he has got it wrong this year and doesn’t seem to have the intelligence and tactical knowledge to compete at this level. If we stay up he should resign, but if we go down he should stay at Wolves to get them up again – he’s a good Championship manager – and then resign!
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Morgan said he would invest 30m in the club add the sky money plus the extra from the Lescott sale. Could we have answers to where is it going please.
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Khasar I agree, he is good enough for the Championship but like most his players, that is where he belongs.
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We were ‘out classed’ yet again!!! Mick has bought some pi55 poor players and the team know they are just not good enough for Premiership standards. Mick needs to go and we need to get a proper premiership manager in, who has the right contacts to get the right players in (on loan obviously!)….simple as that! I’ve got a strong feeling that Morgan and Moxy will be giving Mick the boot very shortly. Thanks for getting us up into the Premiership it’s been really appreciated, but sadly you are out of your depth in the Premiership Mick……
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I was a bit gutted when Albion refused to give KP a 2 year deal … I suppose every cloud has a silver lining! His two goals made my weekend!
I’m so glad many of you thought Wolves played well … you’re deluded. You got lucky in the first 15 when Blues could’ve been 2 or 3 up; managed to get into the game for the rest of the half and got lucky again with the goal. Nearly held on with negative tactics til Super Kev did the biz.
Every prem. team has quality strikers … I can’t see you getting the 15 points needed to stay up, can you?
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Glad to see the albion fans on here. After finishing bottom last season it is very difficult to take your comments seriously at your circus of a club. Super Kev left you as he wanted to join Birmingham like all the other players, managers etc albion is just a stop gap. You are hanging onto 2nd in the poorest ever championship. Snatch and grab win at Plymouth again I see! Lets hope a proper club like forest join us in the premier league with Newcastle and Cardiff, your little club wouldnt last 5 minutes!
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Crystal Palace are in the ‘poorest ever Championship’ … I think its Wolves who wouldn’t last 5 minutes against Newcastle, Forest, Albion etc.
Let’s see if you beat Albion’s points total from last year (I doubt it, even in the ‘poorest ever Premiership’). As I said you’re “deluded”, your little club couldn’t even attract a decent signing in the transfer window.
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Robinson, Greening, Phillips, Gera, Davies, Koumas, Mc Shane, Kamara etc they all left sandwell town because its a shoddy little club. You couldnt stay up with greening and co and you would get hammered without them. Cant blame you for coming on here, always nice to acknowledge your superior neighbours, bigger club, premiership club. Kiss goodbye to dorrans, olsson and morrison if you dont go up! Probably wearing his tony mowbray mask as he posts!
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Laughingwolf
With regards to Palace I will say just one thing…one goal in six years then three, that’s three, goals in six, yes that’s six, minutes.
ps, did you remember to remove those tesco bags from your seats?
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The poorest ever Championship?. What about being in the bottom three in arguably the poorest ever Premier League?.
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Hey Hey Shadrag .. Remind me again how much money we got for those players around 20 million is my guess.
surley no-one would be interested in Dorrans olsson or Morrison after all they only play for a circus of a club (your words) mind you they could fit in with your clown of Manager.
funny enough we got 3 points for our snatch and grab win a bit simialar to “blouse” they also got 3 points for there snatch and grab
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I think having a go at the Baggies is futile Shadrag. The Baggies fans are having a bit of fun, have a sense of humour for God sake!
The Baggies are in great shape, no we don’t have a lot of money, but have still bought in quality in the transfer window.
Oh well never mind, at least you can look forward to you’re away trips to Scunthorpe and Blackpool next year!!
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Thanks SB
That has actually cheered me up a bit, coz they are 2 quality away days, Blackpool, well its Blackpool & Scunny happens to be right next door to Brigg, which is a great place to go on the lash.
See the championship aint so bad after all
I think we should ‘Do an Albion’ a year of no goals & misery in the Prem followed by a year of goals & beer in the Championship.
Then repeat it, over & over again.
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Shropshire boggie you can laugh all you want, we’ve been laughing at you steptoe’s for years and we will continue to do so, you’re a joke of a club with the the worst fans in the country and you call us dingles ha ha what a joke try looking in the mirror “steptoe’s” Haroooooooold.
If we are going to Scunny and Blackpool away we’ll be going to the poorthorns too as you lot ain’t going up that’s for certain, Newcastle champions forest 2ND Cardiff playoffs, so we’ll see where your sense of humour is then eh steptoe now jog on mummy is calling you.
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Mick Out. Laughing Wolf In!!!
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Mick is just repeating the same errors as he did at Sunderland, they got Bruce in and saved the day.
What will we do ? nowt
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build the team around milijas….simple
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Its Monday afternoon, and Mick is still in charge. He even think we played a good game, and deserved to win. To me, its a mystery why he is still in charge.
Only a win on Wednesday will save him, but even them he should be sacked.
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I’m as gutted as everyone else is about the result yesterday, but I don’t see the point in arguing and throwing insults at each other on here, I know there are loads of steptoe’s who pretend to be wolves fans stirring things up, but we need to stay strong and stay behind the team. MM is not going to get sacked nor is he going to quit so we’re stuck with him and we might as well get used to it.
I’m not a happy clapper nor am I a whinger, I’m a Wolves fan and I’ve followed wolves for 31 years through the bad times and the good times too, I still think we’ll stay up and whether that’s by merit or default I don’t care.
Wolves til I die.
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My 5yr old asked me if KP could score when he came on yesterday, I had to concede yes, he can. How I hate being right. MM, thanks but the Premier League is out of your league. There has been no reason offered for playing players out of position, Foley player of the season last year, did so well so play him up front. You can see his 1st instinct is to pass, that’s what he is. Mancienne is playing in a new position I have no idea what it’s called. No wonder he looks lost. MM won’t drop Ward because he’s always been a fav of his. Change the formation and let your best player struggle on his own to win you the game. Is it just me or is this tactical suicide??
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My 7 yr old son said “I’m starting to feel uneasy about this this” about 2 mins before the 1st goal!
My sentiments too, it reminds me of my brother when I was growing up always taking apart radios etc to see how they work!
Mick has done the same with our team.
Mancienne looks a total liability in the new position!
Ward has he got a left foot??? I think Zubar has
As for asking Foley to play RW please be sensible!!!
Players train and are coached to live think and breath in certain positions right from a very early age through to becoming proffesional players. The skills sets required to play out of position on a weekly basis are simply not there.
I feel sorry for the team who by and large are working there socks off. out of position and with an ever changing team and tactics!!!!.
I want to know who locks MM in the changing rooms for an hour after a game and tells him a few home truths!!!!!.
We need to win at least 5 of the last few games and get some draws, looking at the fixtures I think its possible however will the Board leave it to late!!
Mark Hughes please
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Are you a little upset by any chance Laughing wolf ? you really are are a sore LOOSER.
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If you’re going to use capitals to highlight a word at least make sure it’s spelled correctly, LOSER.
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LOOOOOOOOOOSER it still means the same thing, you have got more to worry about than my spelling,
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Get on and cook your boyfriends tea, then when he’s ate it do the washing up!!!!!
Then do the hovering
Then the dusting
Then wash his car
Females arn’t allowed an opinion on football!!!
You’re too Busy!!!!
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Why have I got anything to worry about, I have got a good education, a good job, I don’t rely on benefits like you and your ilk from sandwell do, I’ve got no worries you however need to worry where your next bag of chips is coming from!!!!!
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mick out
sean o’driscoll in
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if we go down this season ( or more likely when)
our team will stripped to the bare bones again and it will be years before we even come close to getting promoted.
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our team will be stripped to the bare bones again and it will be years before we even come close to getting promoted.
Yes and all the blame lies with rubbish Phillips did you see him gloating on the box because he fluked two late goals.
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no it won’t, only Doyle is premiership quality, we’d hang on to the rest.
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enough is enough mick…
foley is not an attacking right sided player
ward is not a left back
jarvis is wasted covering the above donkey
doyle needs help up top
henry is not good enough
henry should not be skipper
berra looks permanantly knackered
mancienne is colour blind
time to give some of the players you signed a proper run in the team instead of your favourites..castillo and milijas in the middle…foley at right back..zubar in the middle of back 4..the hoff up top to take the pressure off super kev..or better still just resign!!! FORZA WOLVES
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Another loss, it does not matter how you try to Sugar coat it, that we played better and were equal to Brum until Mr Phillips came on, its three valuable points gone, and Mr Phillips should not have been allowed the chance’s he got to score, defenders anyone? and of course the fact that they have someone who can come off the bench and score for them in the Prem, who did we bring on E-Blanks-Blake, been a good servant to us, but he’s not cutting it in the Prem, we really did need some good signings to come in and help our saving grace Kevin Doyle, never happened though did it, we cant do anything about it now, other than change the manager but will that help at this late stage, after watching the game my friend said he’s never watching them again that the 3m’s have sold us up the river, in our local pub people were tearing their season tickets up, that’s how bad the fans are feeling,do you think the fan’s have got a fair deal and that you have delivered all you promised 3m’s,let me respond for you, you are all talk and no walk,simple
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NEXT TEAM V SPURS
Hahnemann
Foley Mancienne
Zubar Craddock(c)
Jones Milijas Guediola Jarvis
Doyle Ward
Why not give the useless left back a bash up front ?
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Are you trying to break the record for the largest home defeat in the Prem with that team???
You’ve got to be joking???
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PS
SUBS
B.WILLIAMS G.K
BULL
MUTCH
FLOYD STREETE
HIBBITT
RICHARDS
RAFAEL VILLAZAN
NOT KARL HENRY
NOT BERRA
NOT ELOKOBI
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Somebody answer me 2 questions plz.
Why take Jones off??
And what does Foley give the team playing in midfield??
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Answer to Questions:
In MM’s mind:
1) Because I’m the Boss
2) Foley is a quality midfield player and S Ward is a quality left back – Why Because I said so
In Reality:
1) Because MM doesnt have a Scooby Doo (Clue) and
2) Because MM doesnt have a Scooby Doo
I think that about covers it
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He probably took Jones off because he was on a yellow card for a stupid challenge, and wanted to keep 10 men on the pitch rather than risking him picking up a yellow.
Foley is a really good player, but on the right wing he offers no attacking threat what so ever, which is a real problem when he should be supporting doyle as much as possible. Kighlty and jarvis would terrorise defense allowing doyle a little more room up front. I havent seen enough of Bia but i do wonder if he could do a good job on the right, as hes really quick and more attacking minded, so i would like to see bia and jarvis on the wings.
Doyle has fantastic close control and holds the ball up better than any of our other players but we need 2 attacking wingers to attack with him. Our most fruitfull attacks usually come from the left, hence yesterdays goal coming from jarvis on the left. It would be nice to see some attacks coming from the right aswell.
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Thanks
Re – Foley you missed out the bit about constantly giving the ball away, not taking any responsability & putting his teamates in trouble with silly 5yd passes when they are under pressure by opponents.
I’m not really having a go at the lad, my comments are aimed at the bloke who has played him there for the last 2 months.
Also we are paying the price for a poor diplay in the transfer window, one or two quality signings would have given the whole place a lift, just look at Hull they signed a forward & kept hold of Hunt, a draw & a win against 2 top teams & have gone a long way to securing survival can you imagine the atmosphere at their club at the minute???
They conned our club (well, the 3 M’s) where as our club conned the fans or tried to.
The Robbie Keane statement was laughable & a real insult to anyone with any intelligence!!!!
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“The Robbie Keane statement was laughable & a real insult to anyone with any intelligence!!!!”
why do you think they thought they could get away with it? they treat the fans like a bunch of imbeciles.
BTW … you gonna get an early bird?
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Do not retaliate to the Tesco fans on here. You will find that they have booed their team off this season and a lot are not happy with their manager. I had the pleasure of sitting on the bus with them going back into Brum after the Forest home debacle and they were having a right go at Di Matteo.
One of them mentioned Palace and they beat them at their ramshackle ground!
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Sounds like you’re retaliating to me …
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cant believe people on here think keogh is the answer hes straight out of the MM book of football tactics RUN FOREST RUN!doesnt score doesnt create has he ever won a 50/50 or a one on one!would prefer to go down at least trying to attack rather than watching 6/7 defenders not being able to defend.Bye Bye MM.
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Instead of running Keogh down how about you suugest what the answer is?
So from all our strikers who have partnered Doyle this season, who has made the best foil?
SEB. No, too slow and wants it on a plate.
Hoff. Not enough games to find out.
Vokes. He’s tried but sadly not good enough yet.
Iwelumo. No, he looks lost in this league for us IMO.
So tell me oh wise one.
Who IS the answer then, I’d be intereted to know your thoughts because as good as Doyle is, he needs a partner to help him before he suffers a burn out from exhaustion.
You think what you like, but I think if Keogh had been allowed a good run alongside Doyle (before his injury), I think we’d have more points on the board than we do at the moment. We may never know now sadly.
Mick’s “horses for courses” statement is a load of tripe. You can’t develop an understanding with a player unless you are given time to do so.
We STILL don’t know our best 11 so squad rotation is futile and quite damaging to us IMO.
We Are Wolves.
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Ok spelling is shocking.
suggest not suugest.
interested not intereted
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BF – You got to admit that comment ‘Run Forest Run’ is funny?
Joking apart – Keogh in my book is more like an attacking midfield player that could be used behind a front two – Some people reckon he’s like Mutchy but doesnt score enough to be classed as Mutchy
Unfortunately, I fear that MM is going to continue with this 4-5-1 – 4-3-3 Guess what game we are playing formation
Defence and midfield become one and Doyle plays with himself (no pun intended)
NB* Whilst MM is manager you will not see any difference in tactics as he doesnt know any better
The insane tactics and playing players wherever his imagination allows sums up our chances this season
The lack of spending in the transfer window imv gives signals that either SM is resigned to going down or that SM has no faith in MM or both
Either way; Imv it would be a mistake to sack MM if we go down – Personally – I would wait for promotion within 2 seasons or 1 hoepfully and then get rid – pay MM a bonus by way of a thank you and then appoint his own CEO – As Moxey is also out of his depth negotiating for quality players at this level
I have cringed at our efforts this season in the transfer market and apart from the odd game/ player – I cant say that the standar of ‘football’ has been any better either
I hope for better but don’t expect anything under the guidance of Moxey and MM…….
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Yes it is funny, I’ll admit that.
I also agree with your comments on Keogh’s positioning, but if MM can play Foley on the right wing then I reckon don’t you, it’s HIGHLY unlikely he’ll play Keogh there.
Sacking MM at this stage is too little too late, a new manager IMO wouldn’t have time to turn our fortunes around. We’ll just have to stick with him for now and keep everything crossed.
Come On You Wolves.
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Steve-o
You must of forgotten about Geoffrey.
Surely you are not saying Zippy is not going to pick his latest signing. Indeed to mention Robbie Keane in the same breath is a disgrace. After all he signed for Tony Mowbury in preference.
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Bully fan u wanted an answer here it is!GK Hahnermann.R.Back-foley.CH-Berra/Zubar.L.Back Mancienne.R.wing-Javis.Midfield Holding-Castillo(we bought him give a decent run).Centre Mid Milijas & Jones.L.Wing-Surman (as before).C.F. Doyle.Tell Doyle to do his work in and around the 18yrd box not all over the pitch,tell Milias & jones to take it in turn to get up and support as well as shoot occasionally,get the ball in front of Jarvis and Surman so they have a chance to get passed defenders instead of always recieving the ball with their backs to goal on the halfway line,if we are chasing the game bring on seb or imelluo for milijas or jones this team would leave some supply on the pitch,not bring C.F,s on and take any supply off.Dont change the team every week give it a run.(this or any other team we send out)The last thing we need is another headless chicken putting a shift in.Bye Bye MM
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