Speed camera plan is scrapped

Wednesday 28th July 2010, 4:59PM BST.

Speed camera plan is scrapped

Plans for more speed cameras in a Black Country borough have been scrapped, it was announced today.

Dudley Council has revealed no new cameras will be set up because of the need to cut costs.

Three cameras were due to be given the go-ahead in Northfield Road, Netherton, High Street, Amblecote, and the A4123 Birmingham New Road, Coseley.

Flashing speed warning signs will now be put there instead.


  1. 1
    Ian M

    These cameras have far less to do with road safety and far more to do with revenue raising for local authorities. And now Dudley are saying they can’t afford to put another three on the streets? They pay for themselves many times over during their life…I sense that the reason for this reversal is that local politicians are feeling the tide turning against them and they will be voted out if the approve more of these electronic abominations. Let’s scrap them all…they are an affront to every motorist on the road!

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    • SMP

      Something else Dudley Council don’t seem to be able to afford . . . .

      Not that we need more scameras – more visible Police presence is a better idea !

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  2. 2
    Richard Gregory

    Most of the speed cameras never worked anyway so what was the point in putting them up.

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    Jonathan

    Fiction:
    (Commonly held by the likes of Ian M and many others)
    “These cameras have far less to do with road safety and far more to do with revenue raising for local authorities.”
    and
    “They pay for themselves many times over during their life.”

    Fact:
    The revenue from speed cameras goes to HM Treasury. None of it goes to local councils. Hence the council saves money by closing them down and it has nothing to do with votes or local politicians feeling any tide of opinion – please understand it, it is simple, its not rocket science!

    A bit less bs and few more facts would be nice on this emotive topic.

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    • Chris

      You’re both right – nearly. The revenue used to be kept by the Speed Camera Partnerships, an unholy alliance of the police, councils and magistrates. (The councils lowered the speed limits, the police put up the cameras and sent out the tickets, the magistrates dealt with anyone who didn’t pay up, and they divvied up the profits.) This was why the cameras sprang up like mushrooms after rain, because those operating them were keeping the proceeds and making a lot of money.

      Then the last government, because of the rising public hostility to cameras, decided not to let the Partnerships keep the money after all and had it all paid into central funds, like all other fines. The cameras then stopped being a revenue-raiser for the councils and became a cost to them, so they’re now being withdrawn.

      How much more proof do we need that these things were only ever about the money?

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      • Martin

        It was about the money – but with a voluntary tax.

        They couldn’t make the cameras much more obvious.

        Still, doing away with them leaves it to the police to do something about speeding.
        With less obvious speed traps.

        Still, everyone will be happy that the fixed cameras won’t be around so much.

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    gt

    Speed cameras are a total waste of time,anyone who is familiar with the area knows where all the cameras are,they just slow down as they pass the camera then proceed as normal.If there were no cameras most people would still drive as they normally do.

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    rob

    The fines actually go to central government, but central government make local authorities pay for them out of their own budgets. Subsequently local authorities see this as central government taking my proverbial.

    On certain roads they achieve nothing but in some busy built up areas they do reduce speeds.

    I say get rid of ones that have no impact.

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    • Martin

      Yes, central government only give councils a big chunk of the council budget.
      Not like the council has to put up council tax by 5% to afford cameras…..

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    Martin

    Voluntary taxation anyway.

    They make them obvious, they put road markings on the road, they are in a fixed position.
    How much more voluntary can the taxation be?

    Still, councils getting rid or not having new ones just means the police can get on with the job of stealthily clocking vehicles, without road signs or making it obvious, and in variable places, but makes everyone happy as no big cameras around.

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  7. 7
    JJ

    The frustration is when driving late at night. No cars around, no pedestrians, straight road, well lit, clear conditions and dry. Why should you still drive at 30. People should be allowed to make a judgement for themselves if its safe to drive a a higher speed.

    Those who pose a danger are ones who speed in inappropriate/dangerous areas. Town centres, by schools, tight bends, roundabouts, traffic lights, past people houses ect. These are the people who need to get fined and have points on there licence and police speed traps are the best for this because its a human making the decision. Jonny public passing at 35 on a clear road would normally be allowed to pass buy. But Charlie Chav bombing it around a blind bend will get caught and rightly so.

    There is no way that mechanical speed cameras can make this same decision. You may be slightly over the limit and bang 3 points. Even though your normally a safe driver you just had a momentary lapse of concentration and treated like a criminal when you insurance is due.

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    • Martin

      Then get the law changed.

      In the meantime the law says you will travel at no more than 30 in a lot of areas.
      Not an impossible job.

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    • Lee

      The problem with judgment JJ is that it’s a flawed concept for most motorists. Because it is based on a subjective assessment of one’s abilities as a driver. Your suggestion would likely mean that someone would overestimate their driving skills resulting in them driving too fast for the conditions of the road, or because they think the area is fairly quiet and safe to drive at excessive speeds, when anything can happen within the blink of an eye. Hence the need for a speed limit. This takes away the need for subjective assessment of driving abilities by saying that this is the speed limit, everyone will drive at or below it.

      I’m really not sure you’re correct in saying that excessive speeding is confined to just Charlie Chav. In fact, I’d say excessive speeding applies across the whole spectrum of the motoring public.

      I’d be interested to know how many people have been caught “just over” the limit when going through a camera, I suspect it’s not that many. In fact, if there was a way of measuring how many people across the country broke the limit on a single day, I’d put money on it being a tiny percentage are actually caught.

      Ultimately, it is down to motorists to change their ways on the roads, in respect of traffic calming measures and speed cameras etc. There must be a requirement for these things as I can’t see any council wanting to spend money in this department for no reason whatsoever.

      Finally, whilst cameras may not be the best solution, you could consider them a voluntary tax on idiots.

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    Don

    Re the furore on Speed cameras

    Lets go back to the beginning of time !

    In 1930 the Road Traffic Act of the day introduced Speed Limits throughout the country and who was responsible for seeing those limits were obeyed – the then Police Forces .

    Now in my time as Met Police traffic cop for best part of 22 years, I served at Hendon and Wembley Police garages (we did not operate out of police stations) where we had total strengths of personnel of about 106 officers at each unit..

    These men were split into the main two shifts and then from these shifts there were Road Safety teams (going round to schools teaching children the rules of the road), men on courses and weekly leaves and holidays to all come out of this strength .

    There were 8 garages around the MPD in those days each having approx those numbers of men to Police the trafffic scene.

    On our daily patrols I suppose about 6 cars (double crewed) and half a dozen police bikes at most were on the streets each day, and at times, very much less especailly in the evenings, because we also had the commitment of escorting wide heavy loads all over London. Tthat required at least two men on motor cycles which were drawn from the availbale crews working late turn, so now we are down to just a handful to hound the motorists – this went on day in day out – week in week out no more no less .

    Now some of us used to do some process, which is another word for reporting offences and I probable would get upwards of a 1000 over the course of the year . they were not all for Speed – there were all sorts of offences including dangerous driving, defective vehicles and of course accidents to deal with .

    But a large number of officers just did one or two speeds each day and sometimes none at all.

    So those who did a few process were the ‘cash cows’ of our time because ‘the nature of the beast’ is that there would be a monetary return (rather like camers, but in a very much lesser capacity) nevertheless we earned the treasury money!!!

    So we were the only method of speed control and you can see that out of the millions of circulating and offending drivers, we hardly scraped the surface, but the men who did some process brought a pittance into the treasury coffers .
    But this was not noticed by the majority of the populace, because in was so infitisimal.

    The motoring public as a whole, like today’s millions exceeded the speed limits daily, but for their deeds, they were never caught, so no money was earned for the Treasury by us ‘Cash Cows’ and this went on for the whole of my service .

    Now modern police Chief Constables ( a totally different breed of coppers came on the scene with new ideas ), got their heads together and agreed that traffic patrols were rather a wasted resource, just floating about the precinct in big cars full of petrol nicking one or two motorists and not really getting involved in too much with crime so they said Ah! we will change their roll of the traffic patrol to backing up the foot police in their fight against Crime.

    So now you see there was/is a reducing number of traffic patrols on the roads these days BUT THE SPEED LIMITS WERE STILL IN PLACE; so who is going to enforce these limits – Nobody ( bearing in mind that the motoring public swelled in numbers and most were flying about the roads unchecked . They loved this didnt they No cat keeping an eye on them they had ‘carte blanche’ to drive just as they liked and in fact do every day – Utopia !

    So into the picture comes new technoclogy in the form of ‘Cameras’ Wow ! these were something that will replace Police and take over speed enforcement .

    Now we have weapon that is is not prevented from working like the human officer who has courts etc and to attend to all sorts of red tape to keep him off the roads. BUT the camera can sit there night and day and its sole purpose is to check the speed of all THESE ERRANT HARD DONE BY MOTOIRSTS, WHO HAVE BEEN BREAKING THE SPEED LIMITS FOR DECADES .

    But now it starts to show up and they find that the treasury is earning huge amounts of money from these persecuted drivers time and again
    Motorists who have had the time of their lives for years are being caught and prosecuted for their deeds, so it hits the public right between the eyes .

    Having their freedom curtailed they start screaming ‘CASH COWS’ and stop persecuting the motorisist with all these fines. They dont see it that if they didnt break the law then they would retain their hard earned cash.

    If as you state £100 million in fixed penalties is collected, do you not ask ‘Heck there are millions disobeying the rules of road – they are not so innocent as I first thought! and they are not the respected citizens of this country that I live among !!!!!

    In fact it is now becoming fully visible just how many motorists are not conforming to speed limits and they dont like the way the poor souls are being treated, so we must do away with cameras .

    Hooray! say the motorists we have cracked it and the authorities have capitulated from the pressure and at last we can drive as we like, whenever we like without fear of sanction or having to fork out our hard earned cash.

    So what is the answer now with No Speed Cameras – well back to basics GET RID OF SPEED LIMITS as there are no longer any agencies to enforce the limits, so now we can save money in not having to put up inanimate signs informing of the limit – there is no other answer. It a certainty the motorist won’t voluntarily obey the law

    It was talked about this morning on Neil Pringle Radio Sussex program that an outside reporter was watching the traffic flowing along Brighton seafront between the Pier and Kemp Town Marina & that they were all going along this very wide road very slowly because there is a 30 limit and are cameras at intervals – what will happen when they take them away . it will be like the Brighton Speed trials run annually on the lower road.

    I rest my case.

    YOU HAVE TO CANE THEM TO TRAIN THEM Not a bit of good coppers stopping them in fancy dress and telling them not to be be naugfhty persons they have all taken a test these days and sworn that they have read the Highway Code . the only sanction they know is points on their licences — I know it works I proved it over 22 years

    regards

    Don Williams

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