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Drivers are caught out in big freeze
Monday 1st February 2010, 11:30AM GMT.
Thousands of motorists faced a nightmare journey to work today as overnight snow and ice caught councils on the hop.
Wolverhampton, Sandwell, Dudley and Walsall councils sent gritters out in preparation for freezing conditions.
But they had little effect on the snow, which began to fall heavily at midnight following a light dusting at 9pm.
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Commuters in Wolverhampton as well as those in Kinver, Wombourne and Kingswinford were among the worst hit with drivers reporting their journey times had doubled.
Drivers even got out of their cars on the A449 Penn Road to investigate the hold-up. One motorist travelling from Wordsley to Wolverhampton said the normal 25-minute journey took one hour and 35 minutes.
Motorists on the M54 faced a ten minute delay when the westbound carriageway was blocked after a three-car smash between Junctions 4 and 5 shortly before 7am today.
Highways Agency spokesman Ray Prichard said the repairs were carried out and the road cleared in ten minutes.
A brief rolling road block was put in place on the M6 after two lorries were involved in a minor bump in the roadworks stretch between M6 junctions nine and eight shortly before 7am.
Temperatures overnight plummeted to around -2C (28F) and forecasters have warned they “can’t rule out” the possibility of more snow later in the week.
Stephen Holman, from the Met Office, said temperatures had struggled to get above freezing overnight and just under an inch of snow had fallen (2cm).
But he said temperatures would rise throughout the day, hitting highs of 4C (39F) and sticking at just above freezing overnight.
Wolverhampton City Council used 98 tons of grit over the weekend and has 296 tons left in stock, with a delivery due today.
Councillor Paddy Bradley, who is in charge of transport for Wolverhampton City Council, said: “We were not expecting snow. The forecasts I saw said there was only going to be snow in Scotland.
“The gritting lorries did go out last night but that was a while before the snow fell so unfortunately it has not made much difference.”
Transport bosses at Sandwell Council sent their gritters out twice – at 5pm yesterday and again at 4am today.
The gritters covered more than 300 miles of roads across the borough, depositing 215 tons of grit.
Perryfields High School in Oldbury did not open until 10.30am as staff struggled to make it in to work. Gritting teams from Walsall Council were out at 3am on Sunday morning and again at 4am today Dudley council sent out crews between 7 and 11pm yesterday and 5am today.
In Staffordshire, only main roads were being gritted and Camp Road, Cannock was closed causing problems for people crossing the Chase.
Bus services in Wolverhampton were delayed or diverted. The 532 and 533 run by National Express West Midlands had to by-pass Wolverhampton Science Park and drop people at stops on the A449 Stafford Road. The 254 and 255 services between Wolverhampton, Wombourne and the Merry Hill Centre was also reporting delays.
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It took me and my 10 year old daughter 2 hours to travel along Cot Lane from Wordsley to Kingswinford (normally 2 minutes). UNBELIEVABLE.
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Ever heard of walking?
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If that was the case,why didn’t you walk ?.
2 minutes’ drive doesn’t take 2 hours to walk.
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Hardly UNBELIEVABLE, its winter, ergo its cold and a chance of snow. Unless there was some reason you couldnt walk it, then its people like you that cause delays.
Like some idiot driving at 7mph down Merridale Road this morning, when it was clear the snow was starting to melt on that stretch, idiots.
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Lazy parents. Can’t be bothered to walk there kids to school. Is it a wonder that my journey to work halves in time when the kids are off school.
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Yup – unbelievable that any one would want to drive such a distance unless they are disabled.
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walk then
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UNBELIEVABLE you drove, you could have walked it in the time it probly took to defrost your windscreen. Just lazy!
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Did they grit in Walsall? Roads in Walsall this morning where convered in a thin layer of snow, however when I drove into Sandwell, the layer of snow was no more. Which would suggest to me one council gritted & another one didn’t.
When are we going to rid Walsall of this Tory run council?
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Hi – Just because the Council is Tory, doesn’t mean the man making the decision whether or not to grit is a Tory! Nor does the Council directly decide on who holds that post…………..that’s the Chief Exec’s Office.
I remember Walsall’s roads and in the Lbour Council days……….horrific!
Weather conditions some times catch us out, so what, get on with your day, walk in or take public transport.
All people ever wnat to do is moan………
‘Always look on the bright side of life!’ De dede dede dede dede!
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Rich, you were doing so well putting your point across then went and completely contradicted yourself with
“I remember Walsall’s roads and in the Labour Council days……….horrific!”
Showing your tory colours there mate!
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I knew that it was going to snow, it had been forecast by the bbc for Friday and over the weekend for the Midlands.
Only snow in Scotland?????
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Met Office had snow on their forecast last night at 8pm, so I can’t believe the councils knew nothing about this!
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Tettenhall to Stourbridge town centre 3.5 hours!
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Well, why didn’t you walk then Tony?
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According to reports Walsall MBC did grit at about 4am this morning, although where I don’t know as most roads around Walsall were covered in snow and fairly icy. I think I would have seen evidence of grit if it had been put down somewhere. BTW has Walsall received its supply of salt having lent some to Birmingham or would this have been a factor in any decision if not?
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Walsall MBC do not grit roads any more this was contracted out to Tarmac this winter
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@ Tony Swain
you should have walked – no wonder there is so much traffic around.
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Roads were not gritted in Cheslyn Hay or Great Wyrley. Once again South Staffs Council looking after “the well to dos” in Codsall and doing nothing for the rest of us.
Disgraceful!
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Tony, South Staffordshire Council don’t grit the roads – it’s Staffordshire Highways who do that.
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There was no grit on Coalway road this morning, it was a nightmare.
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does nobody at the council check the weather forecast, it forecast snow back on friday, its not rocket science, how much notice do the gritters need, same old excuse everytime, must try harder.
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To all the smug “Why didnt you walk” replys – there are several reasons why people do not walk everywhere, such as heavy items to carry, disabled, etc. Driving is not against the law, whatever the distance, so if you travel 100m or 100 miles it is nobody elses business how you do it!
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true but why moan after then
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If you read comment no.1 correctly, then you would realise people aren’t being smug. The guy says the journey normally takes 2 minutes in the car! Not rocket science or smugness to suggest walking is a better option for that individual.
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Like many working parents Tony could have been dropping his child at school and then going to work himself, as someone said there are many reasons for not walking. My own son waited for an hour plus at kingswinford cross and then it finally took him 3 hrs to get to work in Bilston, we all have to get places by our own means.
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I agree, everyone has the right to sit in their car for 2 hours wasting petrol, time and the environment when they could’ve walked it in 5 mins. They also have the right to come on forums like this and moan about it….yes, to show yourself up to be a right plank is everybodys right!!
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If people walked their children to school instead of using the car, then there wouldn’t be the traffic jams on the road at all. Just look at the difference during the forthcoming half-term!
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their is a good few parents who have to drop their kids off at school and then go on to work, so not everyone can walk, I reckon the councils are using duff grit!!
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Maybe so Dan, but in my day my parents went to work and we still walked. How far do many parents live from the school? I reckon the majority is under 2 miles which is a 20 minute walk. Maybe getting up earlier and encouraging children to walk rather than staying another 10 minutes in bed.
I do agree with the grit, they mixed it with sand and cement as I have never seen grey grit before.
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Their kids might not be so fat either…..and the parents!
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I left my home in Kingswinford at 7am and got to Nuneaton at 8.30. Reason ? No one panicking and phaffing around on the ice. Its laughable roads at a stand still yet again.
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Chapel Ash to Wombourne 2.5 Hours! Crazy. the roads had NOT been gritted.
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Roads Icy?…..Take the train!
Penkridge to Bham New Street, half an hour, no delays….in office in plenty of time to listen to all the Bham staff coming in moaning about the traffic!
(and don’t anyone say they don’t live near a station, you should have thought about that when you moved in!)
Looking forward to my easy journey home again!
WELL DONE NAT RAIL / LONDON MIDLAND!
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My daughter goes to the Birmingham University Jewellery College in Hockley and yes she does use the train, but to get to the train she has to catch a bus which normaly takes 45 minutes to get to the railway station. We have lived in this house for 22 years ,when we purchased it we was so stupid enough not think that in 22 years time our now 17yr old daughter would want to go to the only Jewellery College in the country and that she would have to use the roads when icy and that we should buy a house next or near to the railway line she requires !!!! How silly were we !
Maybe if the coucils were to look at weather forcast like everyone else they wouldn’t be caught out.
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how silly of you not to plan your whole life! For example, I know that in 30 years time I’ll need to live near the canal as I’ll have to get one of those canal hovercrafts to work as cars wont exist
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Might come as a shock to you Rich, but we don’t all work in the middle of Brum oe Wolverhampton or Walsall etc. some of us work in industrial areas around the west midlands that are not at the centre of travel networks.
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Never in 40 years have I seen ‘Cot Lane’ like that.
As for two hours to get along it – you should try living on a road off it close to the school. So many cars ‘parked’ (left – abandoned) in stupid positions it’s impossible for residents to enter or leave the road anytime its raining or been snowing – thanks for that..
10mm of snow and this happens – utterly laughable.
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Hi, I live in Winnipeg,Canada where we have winter 7 months of the year. I think your council should consult the head of our snow removel department how to handle snow.
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Yes. I agree. But what you have to understand is that a large number of our public sector workers are near useless. (Excluding those of the NHS, they do a wonderful job and are underrated in my opinion).
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I makes me laugh how people young and old who drive moan about the weather conditions that are out there.
As for those who are moaning that a 10 minutes journey took x long or a 2 minute journey took x long I have to agree with those who are saying try other transport methods. I live on a housing estate near a school and it annoys me how many people drive there car to pick a child up and live 2 minutes round the corner. When my child goes to school we will look at housing near to the school and walk instead of driving. The roads are so much quieter when its Half term.
Please if you cant stand the weather dont drive in it. If you choose to drive knowing it wont take the same timescale and you get stuck in traffic dont moan..
I thought the roads here in Wolves were a little icy but I still got where I needed within 30 minutes only 10 minutes extra compared to norm.
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The word from Mike @ Dudley Council is they did grit… The problem he says was people not driving with due care and with no consideration for how they were driving… It is laughable that we just have to accept the problem and no one at the council will take the responsibility for the problems. Imagine they all got paid wether they were late or not and if you have lost money through being late then it is tough and dont forget to pay council tax on time. They want all out money by the end of Jan and get interest on it till they use it. A year is 12 months not 10 and they want us to pay up front for services they may not provide…
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Lizwm … you are so right … I heard the same word from Dudley council on the radio claiming it was all down to irresponsible driving…They want removing from there positions for such a remark. Good Statement Liz
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I work for the Council and was an hour late this morning. I have to stay until 6 tonight to work the time up. Sick of people implying that all council workers are lazy. Admittedly there are a minor few that play the system but the majority are honest decent working people.
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Well said Kenneth !
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The ability to work flexi time is prevalent in councils. The rest of us lose money because we are paid to work between 08.00 – 17.00 and that is it. The places closes and we have to go home.
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But council workers don’t lose money if they are late for work. Not all council workers are lazy but they get paid whether they do the job properly or not while the rest of us suffer and may lose money through the incompetence of the council. I dont know which council you work for I dont believe what I was told by Dudley yesterday. Why do we just have to put up and shut up where the council is concerned. It is about time the councils had to backup what they say with real proof not just words supposed to pacify.
Would be so good if council spokesman had to be accountable for the problems that are caused by incompetence and not just get paid regardless and even get promoted and get better pensions….
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Another case of put up and shut by the council – they wont have lost money if they were late. Time the ones that play the system were got rid of and worked in the real world.
Council employees get paid whether or not they do they job properly…..and are not accountable for errors.
Give us proof they gritted not just expect us to accept what they say..
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I live in Darlaston and it did say we would have snow on the tele
So i put my cap on the tele.
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I had to travel to Birmingham from Kingswinford this took 2 hours – By lunch time i listened to the radio to hear a spokes woman from Dudley council claiming gritters had been out and that it was all down to irresponsible drivers??? I could not believe my ears – No grit was seen along any of the main routes into Dudley…Please explain yourselves Dudley council, Disgusted
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Why oh why do people have to moan soooo much!! I live on Perton which was a nightmare to get off this morning but so be it….. wont make me move….. wont make me not drive again….. and no it wont make any difference the next time we get a light dusting but whatever!!! You all sound like victor meldrews! I’m glad you dont work in my office and are not my neighbours cos then I would have something to moan about……!!! Consider yourselves lucky we could’ve had an earthquake and lost at lot of friends of family but we didnt we had a bit of snow and a bit of inconvenience…….. never mind..!!
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LJ how dare you respond in such a manner regarding driving in a ‘bit of snow’ These conditions were extremely dangerous – So please do not downgrade the severity of having to travel when losing control of a vehicle can have dire consequences. Unfortunatley many dont have the choice of having to drive therefore irresponsible statements such of yours should be removed from this site. Shame you didnt experience what the majority did
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The roads were not even that bad this morning – it wasnt like cars were getting stuck etc! The problem was people blocking junctions and islands up and also going really slow in areas that were pretty much clear! I got to one point and then all of a sudden the traffic was free flowing – and there was still the same amount of snow on that road as the rest!
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Could not agree more about traffic islands. However when making a right turn on the island, I found my exit blocked so left a big enough gap for traffic to come onto the island to go straight over etc and not be held up. The result everyone turning left forced their way in blocking the island exit and leaving me stuck on it with a blocked exit. No manners, no application of the highway code and no sense. As for going slow on seemingly clear roads….it isn’t the getting going thats the problem …its stopping especially if you travel to close.. travel to close to me in poor conditions and I will slow down as I have to allow for your bad driving.
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Took me 90 minutes to get from Halesowen to stourbridge, decided againt the 15 mile journey to redditch, and came home.
Took me another 90 minutes to get back to my front door.
Why does such a small level of snowfall bring the region to a halt. Not enough grit, plus some crazy people using the car to make the short journeys that they walk every day.
I’m left out of pocket, for wasted fuel, and a day at work lost….Gutted
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Perton has a one way system in South Staffs and that wasnt gritted !Its the only road out the Village and its very icy.They are telling lies caught on the hop !!!I dont think so it was snowing off and on during the day on Sunday.
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The highways agency will always have excuses for the lack of grit in the areas where it was required. It was freezing in Stafford at 5:00 last night so the ‘being caught out’ excuse seems feeble. As for snow, didn’t see any Sunday night but still have no idea why the main roads seemed ungritted.
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havn’t people these days got more to worry about then roads not being gritted take a look at america poland russia and scotland they just see its snowing and get on with there day they dont moan and all the traffic chaos is down to stupid drivers that cant drive in snow i followed somebody doing 10 mph dwn a hill repeatingly tappin there brakes and then almost coming to a crawl going up a hill its people like that, that cause traffic jams take them people off the road and it would be all clear and also get a 4×4 if u dnt like to get stuck or get some good set of tyres with good tread and you wouldnt have a problem and also have you heard about planning ahead walk your kids to school if the school is close and if youre disabled im sure sombody else would take them if they goto the same school and as for work public transport just phn them saying that your gonna be late im sure they would be ok with it and thats if schools and your placements are open of course so theres really no point in gritting the roads exept bus routes so stop moanin about the snow and start moaning about something thats important like why do we pay road tax when all the roads are covered in potholes.
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The Met Office forecast the snow correctly days in advance. However I believe that the West Midlands councils fet their forecasts from Meteogroup, a private weather forecasting organisation, for their gritting forecasts. Perhaps that is where the problem lies?
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The Met Office forecast the snow correctly days in advance. However I believe that the West Midlands councils for their forecasts from Meteogroup, a private weather forecasting organisation, for their gritting forecasts. Perhaps that is where the problem lies?
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parents walking there spoilt little angels to school,you must be dreaming,about 1975 when i was 9 years old we would all meet near tipton baths and walk to old tipton green school about 2 miles up the road,it’s no wonder the kids nowadays are getting fatter,a two minute drive crazzzzzy walk you lazy sods.
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FIRST PARAGRAPH LAST 4 WORDS SAY IT ALL ?
THIS COUNCIL IS THE LOWEST.
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27 replies and nobody has grasped the fundamental problem. It is not lack of grit or council ignorance.The grit does not work under all conditions. If it gets trapped under a layer of ice there is no benefit from it.
The main problem we have in England is the inability of 90% of drivers being able to control a car, send text messages, entertain the kids and clear up little Tommy’s vomit while driving on an inch of snow. Did anyone ever watch Ice Road Truckers? They drive on the frozen sea with almost certain death if the rig breaks through the ice.
We are a nation of humans who are taught the basics of controlling a car in daylight on quiet roads and once we pass the test we are considered competant to drive under all conditions. How many new drivers care enough to go on to advanced driver training. How many new drivers are able to control a skid.
Most are more concerned with how to change the cd or send a text.
Cummon guys wake up and learn to control the car. It takes more than a thirty minute test to make a real driver
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It is not lack of gritting that is at fault, it is the astonishing realisation that so many drivers have simply forgotten how to drive in snow and ice ! And it has only been 3 weeks !!
“2nd gear, 2nd gear 2nd gear ” How many times !!!!
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First paragraph last 4 words say it all.
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Lets face it the country’s a mess, there are too many cars on the road, too many lorries, and we’re all trying to get from a to b at the same time. Things aren’t working and it’s just not good enough by todays standards
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My daily commute is normally around 40 minutes (Wolverhampton to Stourbridge). It took me 3 1/2 HOURS today. I got into work at 10:50am. The A449 between the Sedgley & Wombourne island & Wall Heath was gridlocked. That stretch alone took me about an hour & a half. The road to the school on the A449 (summerhill?) was jammed as well. This caused a massive jam coming from Kidderminster, as parents were queuing to get into that road.
For the councils to say that they gritted is a nonsense. Most of the roads I drove on were slushy. They caused massive headaches for everybody today.
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I love all these comments from the anti motoring public.
The comment “people cant drive on ice” that’s true but if we had snow and ice on a regular bases, we would all learn, we would all have a set of winter tyres awaiting to be put on our vehicles when the bad weather arrives but we don’t so the next best thing is for councils to treat our roads when they are iced up, that’s what I am paying them to do.
Then there was the comment “people drive to slow when it’s not necessary” no doubt if they had been driving faster and had driven into your vehicle you would have complained about the loonies driving too fast.
Then there are the clever ones who complain about parents who drop their children off outside school, it’s not a criminal offence!!!!!! It’s just a popular big stick with which to batter the motorist with, where possible make schools have safe drop off points for people who legally choose to use their cars for whatever reason.
What gives them the right to use their cars to take their children to school?????
The 70 % TAX they pay on top of the cost of their fuel gives them the right!!!!!!!
The £300+ Road Tax they pay to use their cars on the road gives them the right!!!!!!!
The Value Added Tax they pay on garage bills and car parts gives them the right!!!!!!!
The VAT added to insurance premiums gives them the right!!!!!!!
The Parking charges and fines that motorists have to pay that flood the council coffers – “Councils in the West Midlands collected £6.4 million in parking fines in the past 12 months, latest figures revealed”
I pay all that tax, try telling me I don’t have the right to use my car to nip down the paper shop if I so choose, but get ready to do one of two things, duck down or pay all that tax for me.
We live in the age of the motor live with it, if the motorist didn’t pay all that tax the country would stop and all the pedestrians would have to pay 75% of their earnings in tax to make up for it.
Now to all the self righteous people here, its not the motorists that’s causing the roads to resemble a car park, its councils that refuse to do the job they are entrusted with, I defy any council or councillor to be honest and to proclaim at an election that if they get in they will not grit the roads, or that they will cut services as they always do, instead they infer they are going to serve the people but then spend all their time trying to work out what service they can cut out to ensure Councillors can get their FREE PENSIONS, paid for by the Council Tax Payer, if that means road don’t get treated then so be it.
Congested Roads???????
These are often caused as a result of Councils deliberately narrowing roads or putting lumps of concrete in the roads as they have done in Kent Road , Halesowen and Sandwell, this has the effect it limits the available road space to the motorists.
Too many cars on the road???? Try asking your Labour Government why if there is congestion on our roads, they are deliberately importing even more people into the country to cause even more congestion? Why do they have an open door policy on immigration?
There are obviously many irate people commenting here, I wonder how many will feel so aggrieved that they will feel compelled to vote when the time comes and having voted will be sitting on their MP’s shoulder telling them they were not elected to feather their own nest, that they were elected to provide the services necessary to allow the Tax Payer to go about their every day lives and if that means capital investment to provide an integrated public transport system then so be it, but for the motorist that it doesn’t suit, then provide the services necessary to make our roads safe at all times!!!!!
Jim of Bearwood.
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Thanks for the comprehensive new version of “War & Peace” according to Jim.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including both of us.
Come the revolution………….. eh Jim?
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its 40 degress here in perth australia and we havent had rain for 80 days
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-it just goes to show you can’t be too careful—
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Oh dear JimG… You do seem to play ‘the poor persecuted motorist’ very well don’t you? I’m sure you like to feel that you stand for common sense against the anti-motoring lobby, but as ever things are rarely that simple.
There is no ‘them and us’ scenerio here. We live on a small and fairly conjested island, and it should be about making what is the most appropriate transport decision for your journey. Even you I’m sure do walk somewhere too.
As you’re wheeling out the figures VED revenue in 2004/2005, for example, was £4.7bn whilst total expenditure on road building and maintenance in England alone in the same period was £6bn. We must also consider the fact that almost all of the wear and tear done to roads is caused by motor vehicles, and that a large proportion of the remainder of current road expenditure (for example traffic controls, motorways, road widening schemes and town bypasses) is not required by bicycles, pedestrians, horse riders and other non-motorised road users. Are these costs which should logically be borne by the motorist alone?
As you say, it is true that in total motorists pay more than VED alone: revenue from fuel duty in 2004/05 was £23bn. So does this mean that drivers pay a fair price after all? If we take into account these additional taxes on motorists, we must also take into account the wider cost of motor vehicles to the economy as a whole. The economic cost of road accidents, for example, was estimated in 2004 to be some £18bn per year and the cost to the British economy of road traffic congestion was estimated to be £20bn, rising to £30bn by 2010. In 1998 it was calculated that between 12,000 and 24,000 deaths may be may “brought forward” each year in the UK as a result of air pollution, and that between 14,000 and 24,000 hospital admissions annually result from poor air quality, to which road transport is by far the largest single contributor, and although the resulting economic cost is not estimated it must be considerable. In this light, and without even factoring in the less easily established costs of damage to wildlife, noise pollution, contribution to climate change, and end-of-life disposal of motor vehicles, it is already clear that motorists do not currently pay anything like the full cost of motoring.
Now, I’m not the frothing lefty you imagine me to no doubt be, but I’m just suggesting that a bit of balance be brought forward. If we all decide to do what we want all the time then we wouldn’t be in a very happy state.
It’s personal choice if people want to drive 5 minutes to work or school, but to complain about the problem they’re contributing to themselves is pointless. I own and drive a car, but also walk, cycle, or take the bus and train. It’s about the most appropriate choice. Certainly circumstances can dicate this, but for many it’s just they won’t consider alternatives.
Anyway, this has not a lot to do with the snow really. It’s also perhaps worth considering what else your concil tax pays for apart from gritting.
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So Dudley council reckons its all the the drivers fault, that they gritted the roads. Not in Wordsley/Kingswinford they didn’t. Bet they’ll get the council tax demands and their 25% expenses bonus out on time again!
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ha ha ha !
live in Canada if you want to know cold and snow…
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