Blog: Christmas approaches and it's stuffing for West Brom again
Yes it’s that time of year again, writes West Brom blogger Warren Stephens. where that ugly thing dressed in red and white turns up, we all end up being ripped off, drinking too much and feeling depressed afterwards.
No, not Santa Claus and Christmas, I mean Stoke City at home.
Reminiscent of a particularly vile and uncompromising loan shark, they seemingly turn up annually to collect a payment they scarcely deserve, yet we all know it’s going to happen.
A lot is often said and written about Stoke’s style of play, and let’s make no mistake, it can often be restrictive and cynical. I watched the game back on Sunday (as if watching it once wasn’t enough punishment) and Garry Birtles commented towards the end of the first half that Tony Pulis would be hugely frustrated at the persistent fouling of his players.
Err, I think you’ve missed the point there Garry. Stoke came primarily to spoil and they spoiled. They restricted the game to few chances at either end and to their credit took one that came their way.
However, we knew before the game that Stoke would try and frustrate us and it still happened. Steve Clarke himself admitted after the Sunderland game last week that games would now become a lot harder, teams were less likely to allow us to pick them off on the counter attack and certainly if we’re to build on our positive start, we have to find a way of breaking teams down that defend in numbers.
Much has been spoken about Steve Clarke’s team selection, with six changes from the midweek defeat at Swansea. Steven Reid, Goran Popov, Graham Dorrans and Markus Rosenberg found themselves in a first eleven they may not have featured in a few weeks ago and Albion’s bench included James Morrison, Peter Odemwingie and Romelu Lukaku.
Like many Albion fans I personally didn’t see this as our strongest XI and I was concerned about our width and penetration when I saw the team sheet, but after three games in eight days I think some changes were inevitable. That’s not to suggest that any professional footballer is incapable of playing three games in eight days, but as Gary Neville succinctly puts it ‘you can eat three bacon sandwiches in quick succession, but the third won’t taste as good as the first’.
Whilst we all like to think we’re a football manager, only Steve Clarke and his coaching and fitness staff will have truly understood the physical conditions of the players, who was ready and who wasn’t after a busy week. Clarke has also been responsible for a number of positive tactical decisions over the course of the season, so I think it would be slightly unfair to be overly-critical.
Markus Rosenberg in particular seems yet to fully adapt to life in England since his summer move from Werder Bremen. In his defence I remember reading an article when he arrived saying he preferred to play as a central striker. From memory, of the little playing time he’s had he’s spent about 20 minutes against Chelsea in that role since his arrival, he doesn’t seem to possess the natural attributes of a wide player to me and I think it would be unfair to judge him as such, particularly when he’s had so little game time. I expect he’ll show us a lot more as the season progresses provided he’s given the opportunity to.
So, to coin a commonly-used phrase in Aston and Wolverhampton this week, has the bubble-burst? Well not really; we’re fifth in the Premier League - higher than any of us could have realistically expected. Nobody in the Premier League registered more points in November (12- only Manchester United matched that), only two teams actually have more points than us, we have some winnable home fixtures approaching before Christmas and we haven’t suddenly become a bad side.
This weekend sees us visit the Emirates Stadium and will evoke memories of the remarkable 3-2 victory there a couple of years ago. It was a terrific day and remains the only game of football I’ve been to where so many people have been so visibly nervous whilst 3-0 up with 15 minutes left!
We’re currently above Arsenal in the league and they seem to be navigating their way through something of a crisis after a series of average performances culminating in last week’s home defeat to Swansea.
There’s certainly a temptation to suggest we could go there and expect to compete for something from the game. I’ve no doubt we will but it’s perhaps worth remembering that visiting a side containing the likes of Mikel Arteta, Santi Cazorla, Jack Wilshere, Lukas Podolski, Theo Walcott and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain is always going to be very difficult.
Finally, last weekend played host to one of the most eagerly-anticipated events in the football calendar, the FA Cup third round draw.
I’d personally hoped for a winnable home tie or a trip to a previously-unvisited ground e.g. MK Dons or Crawley, basically anything other than familiarity and a tie there’s a decent chance we’ll lose. That we then drew QPR away is probably in keeping with how agitating last weekend proved to be from a football perspective.
The only positive I can draw is that QPR may well view the FA Cup as an unwelcome distraction given their priority will be to stay in the Premier League.
Let’s just hope this weekend will be slightly more enjoyable than last. Come on you Baggies!!
Comments for: "Blog: Christmas approaches and it's stuffing for West Brom again"
'The Class of 68'
Follow Those Words of Wisdom - Good Blog
Win four on the trot, lose four on the trot, win four on the trot, etc etc etc. Tally the points up, could we be Champions ?
I just hope we are all as happy Boxing Day as we were pre Swansea and Stoke.
Keeping The Faith ..... COYB
Robin Brittain
You are right to mention Gary Birtles naivety , Pulis spends hours with his players every week teaching them every dirty trick in the book.
Jack ♣ Hat.
Warren,
It will certainly be nice to get back to football again and three nice pre-X-mas points at Arsenal would do us good. Arsenal have saved their big guns for Saturday and it should make for an intense game. Hope the bug in our camp is on the wane. Oh yes! lets have some decent officials down the Smoke. Come on you BAGGIES.
BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.
P.S. We could have a new Technical-Sporting-Director in before the new year.
Baggiebob
Couldn't argue with anything you say here, Warren. You may get the school teacher, Wall Heath Baggie, come and rap your knuckles for writing: "Reminiscent of a particularly vile and uncompromising loan shark, they seemingly turn up annually to collect a payment they scarcely deserve, yet we all know it’s going to happen" - as it's too much like my own comment but far better than what I said. I'm calling him 'school teacher' 'cos he corrected Jack the Hat's spelling ....
One question though, who on the bench would've penetrated that defence? And this isn't to belittle our players, I'm suggesting it takes particular types of players and teams to open Stoke up.
Cyril Randle
Warren, do you think Birtles meant 'persistent fouling BY his players' rather than 'of', which tends to suggest we did the fouling. Exclude the ref's 1st half from the discussion or it would be 'of'. I thought he'd come down on the coach with them and had been promised a full set of bone china for his wife's Christmas.
That Arsenal game we won 3-2 would have ended 5-3 to them had it gone on another 10 minutes. It was knee-wobbling stuff at the end. I hope we win again and get back on track and I would then watch with great curiosity to see whether Arsenal were daft enough to remove Wenger.
Our tie away at QPR is purely routine. A really tricky one might have been Luton away, so thank Heaven The Wulfies drew them hey ?
PS: I realised yesterday that those two defeats were entirely my fault. I spilled some salt on the table cloth, right hand was clutching the pot, so I USED MY LEFT HAND TO THROW SALT OVER MY LEFT SHOULDER ! And I'm not even superstitious !
Lnoe Throstle
Although we have zero points from our last 2 games I would like to commend Steve Clarke in his team selections. For us to go to the next level, we need a squad that can produce a good consisitent team performance in whatever competition (the league, the cup(s) and even Europe!). To interchange on the training ground is one thing, to take these changes into a competitive game is another! It will take time, and it may result in changing out the squad members who can not learn, or can't cope. We are in a position where we can afford to experiment because we have so many points on board. We are also entering the busy period of the football calendar where it would be better to instigate our own changes, rather than have them forced on us through injury. I personally think we have a strong squad, and I look forward to Steve being able to fully utilize it in the future, without losing the high standards he has set from the preferred starting XI. If we want to progress, we need a competitive squad, playing consistantly at a high level.
As for the last 2 games, I would like to congratulate Swansea for being the first team to outplay 11 Albion players, and Stoke mugged us again!
QPR in the cup brings back the horrors of Highbury II (Highbury I was bad enough). I hope we have our squad sorted by then, as a good cup run is good for the soul.
Arsenal should be an interesting game. At least it will be a competition between two teams who want to play football. Any kind of result would be great, or we will be invaded by the Mad Mickless Masses and Stoles Sluvenly Slobs.
Seasons Greetings,
LT
CantelloRocket 78
Warren, quality blog again mate, well done.
( Just one thing, I could write on some subjects for hours, so when you bring up at least three issues, I need a complete weekend........naw, people would switch off, or just drop off......).
Anyway, that team selection against Stoke-
I must admit when I went through the turnstiles, and saw our starting XI on the monitors, I was more than a bit surprised at the amount of changes, not because I doubted SC's judgement, but because I felt he was the sort of guy who would just 'tweak' things a little - but what do I know?
Thinking about it, against Swansea both full-backs had a tough evening, so maybe switching them wasn't a surprise, whilst Zoltan probably needs to be used sparingly these days, plus there were rumours that Shane had fears about his hamstring after Sunderland, so at least a few places needed to be 'pondered' over during the week.
Thing is, if we hadn't made those changes we might still have lost, then Steve gets it in the neck for not freshening things up- yer cor win!!
Concerning what's ahead of us, I've still got 'keeping our premiership status' down as number one priority, so we probably need about 5 wins from the remaining 23 games to do it-
if we can reach that figure, each further point would potentially push us that little bit higher up the table, then we can relax and have some fun guessing where we'll finish, especially if WONOH brings back his 'mirror league'.
As for now, let's hope the first points come this weekend!!
See ya.
Jack ♣ Hat.
Lone Throstle, Cantello,
Good imputs guys, Five more wins then every place thereafter brings its own rewards.
BOING~~~~BOING~~~~J♣H.
Wall Heath Baggie
I know the vast majority of Bloggers on these hallowed boards would rather cut their legs off with a rusty nail than admit that anyone at the Albion ever makes a mistake but imo Clarke got his team selection wrong against the Potters and we lost because of it.
I can hear them sirens already .
Happy_baggie
Max - you may be right....but thats the beauty of hindsight.
If we have taken a (deserved) point we would be saying how clever SC is to mastermind a point from our nemisis - also we have no idea how the players he dropped were feeling - there is a bug in the camp that may have affected some of them.
Ultimately SC knows we will need all our players through December so he needs to show them he has confidence in them - not pick them in panic when someone is out injured.
So yes, his selection may have cost us the points - but even so I'm not convinced he made a mistake (which I guess proves your point !!!)
Kev in Mallorca
Happy, head and brick wall spring to mind.
Adéu
CantelloRocket 78
Max,
no need to panic about the sirens mate, 'Happy' and Kev were just playin' music as they approached you in their Ice Cream Van.
I think it sounded like The Smiths 'heaven knows I'm miserable now'........:)
Wall Heath Baggie
If it's REM's 'shiny happy people ' i am out of here. Kev proved my point about the rusty nail methinks.
Dasveedanja Comrad.
ps I ay being funny but i am glad you followed Yurich's post.
pps i have heard that Kev is to be the next Pope from reliable sources.
ppps Any truth in the rumour that punishment at a local prison now
involves reading very , very long blogs ???.
Kev in Mallorca
Maxo
What's the difference between an idiot and a moron?
Adéu
Wall Heath Baggie
I do love a good joke goo on Kevo give me the punchline .
Kev in Mallorca
Maxo
Why pick on me? I'm ony agreein' with Happy.
Adeu
Kev in Mallorca
Maxo
No punch line mar mate,I'm just asking you what's the difference between the two when in their opinion someone is using one or the other to describe another person.
Adéu
Yurich
Warren's quote:
"...certainly if we’re to build on our positive start, we have to find a way of breaking teams down that defend in numbers."
3/4 of the last match albions were trying to establish proper pace, ties between players, etc. with more or less visible result up to the score episode.
And future game seems to be very different.
Warren's quote:
"..it’s perhaps worth remembering that visiting a side containing the likes of" (names further) "is always going to be very difficult."
Strong defence is required first, commitment and composure of higher level. Banal, but no more than win or loss, COYB!
Yurich, in Russia.
Wall Heath Baggie
Anybody know any Russian ????.
CantelloRocket 78
Max,
I could translate one or two English terms into Russian, but I can't type 'em, some of their letters are spelt backwards to ours, and some others are not in our alphabet.
I might ask me missus to buy me a Russian keyboard for Xmas........
CantelloRocket 78
Max,
I forgot to mention, I took some interest in Russia because they were the first to send a Rocket into space-
and I STILL don't know how I managed to get back home.........
( they don't get any better, do they? :)
CantelloRocket 78
Hi Yurich,
Good to hear from Baggies fans in other countries!
As you say, a strong defence is a good place to start building a team, and that's what Roy Hodgson did when he was with Albion.
Steve Clarke is trying to keep RH's foundation, but add more attacking ability, to make us effective at both ends of the pitch.He has done well so far, but he's only had about 4 months as an Head Coach, so he's still learning, and we need to support him as he gains experience.
We all need to pull together, because as they say 'united we stand, divided we fall!'.
Good wishes from us in England!
Yurich
Many thanks for positive response, best wishes to all Baggies fans and esp JackHat who was first to notice my efforts.
Yurich, in Russia.
Bromham Baggie
Disappointment- it's relative, isn't it? I was disappointed, but not surprised, when Swansea turned it on and beat us. I was very disappointed, but not at all surprised, when Stoke did the usual. What has really disappointed me, and thrown the beautiful game into perspective, is a stair company in Telford failing to deliver a banister rail not once, but twice, despite reassurances from their sympathetic operative on the other end of the phone. It's cold, it's wet, and we've got Arsenal next, and they might be stinging after their recent results, so I'm not exactly brimming with optimism at the moment. We might only win 1-0.
Cyril Randle
Bromham, we haven't had a phone all this week thanks to a Big (load of) Tosh who are absolutely unassailable in their fibre-optic towers. Then they offer you less than a quid a day line rental rebate, nuffink for broken promises, incompetence and inconvenience. We had to find the missus's old nubile phone, charge it and put £25 on for 'pay as you go'. Thank God we don't need a banister rail. No stairs to fall down.
Wall Heath Baggie
' Nubile' conjures images it should not me old mate.
People complain about the lack of spending but when you order stuff you have one hell of a game to get it, good friend Bromham being an excellent example.
Keep warm and safe Governor.
Bromham Baggie
I feel better already.
AMS
Warren - good blog and some good points made.
Walcott and Podolski are out for the Gunners tomorrow, but beware the Ox - pace and the fearlessness of youth.
I get the impression Clarke is outwardly positive and backing himself. Inwardly I think he is meticulous an analyst and he will critically assess his team selection for Stoke. However it is worth remembering that we will need to use the whole squad as the season goes on. Fergie always finds a way to give his Man U fringe players a game before Christmas so that when he needs to call on them in the latter part of the season they have already been blooded. If we had picked up a 0-0 against spoilers Stoke then I think most of us would have been fairly satisfied.
Feel a little bit sorry for Rossenberg - being asked to make an impression in that game can not have been easy. He will get better opportunities as the season goes on - let's hope he can take them and show us something more.
Onwards to the Emirates. COYB
mike
So its Arsenal at the Emirates this weekend, wonder what team SC will pick?
For me it would be:
Myhill
Reid Macauley Olsson Ridgewell
Yacob Mulumbu
Brunt Morrison Gera
Long
subs Daniels, Jones, Popov, Dorrans, Fortune, Odemwingie and Lukaku
Love Peter going forward but he doesnt track back as much as Brunt or Fortune, so i would start with the above and always have the option of Peter, Lukaku and Fortune later when Shane has run them ragged for 70 mins!
Shame about Peter cause whenever he's on the pitch he looks as if he could score, but is also very frustrating at times!
Any thoughts?
Jimmy
Goods points Warren. I think that the last week (losing a couple on the bounce) was always going to happen at some point and the fact was that Swansea were brilliant (summed up by beating Arsenal just after). Playing Stoke is like when an ugly person tries to chat you up in a bar; you just let em say and do what they want without offering any opposition or encouragement in the hopes they lose interest quicker and clear off to ruin someone else's evening. Like what you said about "drinking too much" the saying "I may be drunk now but in the morning I'll be sober..... You'll always be ugly" springs to mind about Stoke.
Arsenal game could easily go either way, which I would take compared to a few years ago when we used to write it off as not win-able. I agree with what you say about Rosenberg and Saturdays squad, but do you think it may be a case of balancing the sharpness and workload so that our best aren't shattered and the rest aren't completely cold?
We'll see!
'The Class of 68'
Mike
I go with your selection bar Ridgewell, i feel Popov is a more complete fullback. My forward midfield players would read -- Morrison -- Gera -- Brunt -- Gera in the central role, Morrison shines on the right side, and Brunt is obviously a left sided player. I just hope Brunt, if played, shows us all what a superb player he can be ..... COYB
Andy Hodgkinson
Iam kind of glad we`re playing someone like QPR in the F.A. Cup as it will give
the likes of El Ghanassy a chance to see if they can the mustard against a Premier
League team.
TEAM FOR ARSENAL:
Myhill, Reid, McAuley, Olsson, Ridgewell, Yacob, Mulumbu, Morrison, Odemwingie,
Long, Gera. Subs: Daniels-Gk, Tamas, Popov, Dorrans, Brunt, Rosenberg, Lukaku.
mike
Andy
Im not too bothered about the cup in January to be fair, much rather keep the best squad fit especially if Odemwingie and mulumbu leave for Africa, so for QPR Id change all eleven:
Myhill (assuming Foster will be back)
Jones Tamas Dawson Popov
El Ghannasay Dorrans Thorne Thomas (assuming hes back from loan)
Fortune Rosenberg
If we lose, no big deal.