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Moxey rules out refunds for fans
Wednesday 16th December 2009, 12:37PM GMT.
Wolves chief executive Jez Moxey has backed manager Mick McCarthy over his decision to select a weakened side for last night’s 3-0 defeat at Manchester United.
Moxey feels McCarthy was acting in the club’s best interests.
“We have a squad system at the club and Mick picked what he thought was the best side for that match.” he said.
“In fact if George Friend had taken the chance he had early in the game then maybe we could have held on just like we did at Tottenham.”
Moxey also said the club has no plans to refund the fans who travelled to Old Trafford, despite a chant of “Forty two quid to watch the reserves” being heard from the away supporters.
Moxey said: “We have no plans to refund the £42 that they were chanting, about although we do have an empathy with them.
“We are very disappointed that we lost the game, but we have a squad system.”
“I don’t think we are going to get any complaints from other teams.
“We have also had a large amount of injuries recently, Michael Kightly is out and we have lost Andy Keogh.
“It’s an old saying but the season is a marathon not a sprint and Mick’s job is to keep us in the Premier League.”
Moxey also refused to rule out the possibility that McCarthy would make wholesale changes to his side at other points later during the current campaign.
“He might do, he said.” “He has already done it once.”
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WE DONT WANT A REFUND!… WE JUST WANT TO BE TOLD IN ADVANCE.. a simple:
“wolves plan wholesale changes for tonights game at Man Utd…” on the website and I wouldn’t have travelled.
Shocking arrogance by the club. Utter contempt towards the fans. shocking.
I bet burnley, west ham, bolton, pompey (et al) wont play their reserves against a weakened man utd team!!
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Moxey u are a disgrace! Imagine if the fa decide to make an example of us and dock us points. Highly unlikely I know but not impossible. Our loyal support deserved better than just turning up already beat. I just hope for mccarthys sake that it dosent back fire on us and we lose to burnley on Sunday. That would be a disaster. Whatever you think McCarthy will have lost respect from fans and fellow managers
up the wolves
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Well these comments just about sum Moxey up. He is out of touch with the majority of Wolves supporters. Obviously the happy clappers will totally agree with him.
I just hope MM decisions last night dont have serious repecussions on the rest of our season.
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we sure know how to wind burnley up dont we.
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Well that’s all well and good to say that with his 6 figure salary. Its not just £42 its the cost of the day as a whole. When including transport costs and time off work the average fan spent nearly £100 myself included.
Its an absolute joke to treat the fans like this. They are the people who pay to keep the club afloat and so they should be respected.
Without the fans the clubs will not exist and you would be out of a job Moxey.
As a personal note I will NOT be attending any more away games this season.
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errr that was a big game. To not filled your best team against Man Utd is utter suicide and relegation could beckon as we could have got something from that last night.
The risk moves to Burnley and given Wolves totally incosistent form…we could lose and be stuck in the bottom three.
If the players can’t manage two games in four days why did you buy them then????
Muppet mick out now!!!!!
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Moxey, you’re just as ignorant as McCarthy when it comes to understanding the fans. You should offer a refund and how you can defend 10 changes to the first team, after the excellent result on Saturday is la joke.
I had the misfortune of wasting my money last night and fully support the fans who made their feelings known. The words DISRESPECTFUL, DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL don’t come anywhere near summing up how supporters feel about last night.
All you are doing/have done is to make a rod for your own back. Believe me, if you don’t beat Burnley, no wait……if you don’t stay up this season, the fans will turn against you and the rest of the management in a way never witnessed before.
I was embarrassed to be a wolves fan last night and if I was any other premier league club I would complain, as it’s a complete lack of respect to every other club to hand a team three points even before a ball was kicked. it completely goes against the idea of good sportsmanship.
I would love to hear what Morgan thinks about all this, he claims to be a wolves fan and a man of the people. Well put your money where your mouth is and give us a refund. Any thoughts Steve or you just going to let Moxey put a load of spin on it?
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What a surprise – exactly what was expected from ‘Bonus’ Moxey.
Get rid of them both Morgan as they are a disgrace to the club and we are the laughing stock of the Premiership.
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mcCarthy may have had his reasons for changing the team but please spare us moxey pretending he undestands anything about football, the bloke knows nothing about football or what it means to live and breath a football team, we are in it for the love of wolves not the money moxey
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This is a disgrace. I paid £42 for a ticket £25 on petrol, £12.80 on parking £8 on food and drink and a day off work!!!
£42 time 2500 peole is £105,000 how about you Jez forget your half million bonus this year and give that back to some of the fans that went!
I mean we are in a time of recession where the fans are suffering pay freezes, salary reduction and redundancy. They still spend money to see thier club but want to see thier best team. They can understand in the cup but not the league.
EMPATHY!!!! Dont mug me off!!! You live in your million pound house sending your kids to private school its not hit your pocket.
You will have a good xmas no doubt but Im sure someone that nearly spent £100 on the game last night thinking he see our best 11 to see that team has every right to have a refund becuase they expected better. Thats £100 on xmas they dont have in these tough time!
EMPATHY is a joke of a word. We could have lost 9-1 and we wouldnt have got money back all we are is a number!
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Shocking!! it is not only about the match ticket what about the cost of traveling. Does Mox think it was free to travel up to Manchester. You have lost the plot Mox, Next time let the fans Know that you will be playing our 2nd string team.
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Many of the players from last night have started many games this year. It is not as though Wolves have a set starting 11.
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Once again loyal fans treated like rubbish! I can watch reserves games for nothing as I am a season ticket holder.
And what a joke the M6 motorway was last night….
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Although i disgusted with the whole mentality that a footballer cant play sat/tue/sunday, we the fans are the ones to suffer. If we are going to play weakened teams please let the fans know in adavance(at least 48 hours for full refunds) so we can make an informed decision. Im sure the reaction of having empty away sections will have the required affect!!!
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First, well done to the whole team for the win at Spurs, couldn´t see the game again ESPN didn´t show it but listened to the live commentary on Yahoo.
The Man U game was I thought going to be another feather of confidence going into the teams spirit, but as it turned out I was completely wrong. ESPN covers all the matches played by the top prem teams here in Brazil so here I was in front of the box wanting to see my team believe in themselves. As the players came out my mind was working overtime, where are our 1st team selections? I know we have injuries and quite a few yellow cards knocking about and I can see the logic of resting some of the squad, but to say I was dissappointed is an understatement.
M.M´s decision to rest many players has to be accepted by us the ranting masses, it was a brave decision to make, no a very brave decision and only time will tell if it was the right one. When you think about it M.M. has got some gonads to do what he did and we need a manager who has gonads of steel to keep us in the prem. Remember when all the posted comments were saying its going to be one hell of a season and if we can come 17th or higher it will be okay, we will have survived, last nights decision to field the team he did, when he had all the facts in front of him was massive and I mean MASSIVE and thats the style of manager Wolves need. The other plus for the players last night even though we went down 3-0 was it wasn´t a walk over for Man U. and full credit to those that played, a gutsy game.
Paul.
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6. another mindless moram, you and so many others always come out with sack MM when we don’t get a result! were you saying that on Saturday? I bet you were singing Super Mick wernt you?! look mate you really do insult yourself coming out with such mindless drivvle! just support the team and stop complaining
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Yes, I can see MM point of view; horses for courses so to speak. I agree the Burnley game is probably more important when you look at the big picture but…. Man Utd, Old Trafford!!!! This is what we are in the premier league for.
I can only try to understand the frustration of the traveling fans; I know I would feel pretty let down. The players also; years from now they’ll tell their grandkids that, yes they were in the Wolves team but they never actually played at Old Trafford! For many players this is the high light of their career. They too must feel a little disappointed
Man Utd have defense frailties at the moment due to injuries, I think we could have got something out of the game. Only time will tell if this gamble (capitulation) paid off. If we don’t get all 3 points from the Burnley game it’s going to be hostile atmosphere at the Molineux on Sunday. Of course, if we do win MM will be hailed as a genius and this will all be forgotten.
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I went last night and its a joke. But the more worrying part is that the team included nearly all our new signings, which are supposed to be better then last years and the team that was dropped! – his signing doyle apart have not been good enough
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Wolves now have to explain team selection tp PL !
I wonder if points will be deducted?
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I never thought I would see the day where our great and proud club would be run by complete and utter cowards like Mcarthy and Moxey. Whom in effect waved the white flag before a ball was even kicked. The sooner they are both sacked and gone the better off the club will be. This is not the club I have followed for 53 years and I think a lot of fans like myself are broken hearted this morning. Unless there is a complete change in the attitude of our management we will continue to witness acceptance of mediocrity.
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Top Marks for smart managing – I applaud Mick for this bold move. The decision was based on solid facts – that players’ energy and performance levels dip by up to 40% if they play games within 3 days of each other. That’s great insider knowledge and drives the decision:
Do you play Utd with a half strength side when you only had a remote chance of winning even one point, or do you reserve everything you can to ensure a very winnable Burnley home game goes your way.
On top of the physical angle, don’t forget the massive dip in confidence suffered following the slapping from Arsenal and Chelsea. Sparing our first team squad from another round means they are still riding high from a fantastic Spurs victory.
Well done Mick – you are maximizing our chances brilliantly.
On a separate subject – Hannaman experience is working well. During the Xmas transfer market I wouldn’t mind if you compromised the young and hungry approach a bit more and brought in the like of Wayne Bridge or similar :)
Looking forward to Sunday…
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We should be docked points and im a wolves fan.
This should be stamped out now it makes a mockery of the league and all the other teams in the prem.
MM out your a disgrace.
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Wolves turned the premiership table upside down today to claim one of the clubs greatest victories in modern times.Dave Jones’s bottom-of-the-table strugglers tamed mighty Manchester United with a performance of epic resistance and heroic effort…..taken from the Express and Star,Saturday,January 17,2004.Front page HEADLINE reads’MAGIC WOLVES BEAT MAN UTD’.Brilliant Miller strike stuns champs and in the picture,Roy Keane is just looking on helpless.
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Yeah thats right Jez blame George friend it was his fault, if he had scored…..
How about IF you had come up with the proven players….
Or how about IF we had played our best players…
Stick to what your good at cos whatever it is it ain’t talking football pal.
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And stop being ludicrous everyone we are not going to be docked points MM can tell them that those ten players were not 100% or they were not the best in training, he has a squad that he is allowed to utilise, as crazy as it was it in no way breaks any rules
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Totally agree with all comments above, BUT, did anyone realistically expect anything other than this??? Quite clearly MM and Moxey have no idea of how to operate in the premier league…we save our best players so that we can beat Burnley?? Yeah?? Great …considering how well we did against Portsmouth at home, West Ham at home…..roll on the weekend and lets hope for everyones sake we get the right result – Mcarthy and Moxey blushes might just be spared!
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You both (MM & MOXEY) take the wonderful support that this club has for granted. Both of you should appologise to the fans that paid their money to watch the “10 stiffs” last night.HOW CAN YOU GIVE UP ON A MATCH BEFORE YOU HAVE EVEN PLAYED IT?? You DISGUST me. I am ashamed to be a wolves fan today…you have dragged the name of this club through the mud. Major buckley will be turning in his grave amongst others. How dare you try to excuse this.
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22. Are you on drugs? You sound like such an idiot saying we should be docked points.
Mick is the manager and can play whoever he wants in the starting lineup!
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moxey will never change….we could have been beat 9 or 10 nil and he still would have said the same.
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18. Milijas is better than what we had, you forgot him.
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If we dont beat Burnley.PREPARE FOR A BACKLASH!!!!!!
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Had we made say, four or even five changes – then brought on three subs at any point, it might have gone down a little better. Well, we ‘ll see what the future holds for us. Bet Burnley will be looking to keep their home record going against Arsenal tonight i.e. field their best team.
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The bloke’s an idiot…….Can’t believe he has exposed the club to such bad press, embarrassment, and potential FA action. And worse than anything, the pressure that has now been put on the ‘A Team’ for Sunday’s game is intense to say the least – hope the A Team are up to the challenge, because if we lose……By the way, don’t bother buying tickets for the cup game a Tranmere, I understand he’s going to play the ladies team!
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Moxey
I’ve actually defended you on these pages, what a fool I am!!!
Judging by your comments above you are either naive or arrogant & I don’t beleive you are naive!!!
How can you say other clubs wont have a problem with, the whole footballing population of the UK have come out & battered us from pillar to post all day!!!
So it seems that you & your equally thick, arrogant manager are in the minority on this one!!!!
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Refund?? Why? Was the game postponed or something?
Sorry lads, if you dont like what Mick did, then tough.
Welcome to the Premiership.
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It was a bold move by Mick – one that I hope does not backfire with anything but a win this weekend. Its a good thing he gave some other players a chance last night. When they are called upon again, they will be better for it.
Mick is the manager and he will have to live with the decisions he makes, good or bad. Stick with the Wolves and stick with Mick.
Up the Wolves.
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all you numpties that agree with your fellow numpty mick for doing what he did are more than likley arm chair fans..
when you get in the prem the proper fans plan their away games ie old trafford,anfield,stamford bridge etc and expect to see there beloved team perform last night we we told man u theres your 3 points and now burnley will be up for it.
MORGAN have you got a tongue or you just gonna sit back and let us keep filling your pockets full of money,i hope you was embaressed last night. obviously not as mox just said there will be no refund.i feel an abusive reaction on sunday
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30. Oh ye i agree count milijas aswell, again should of played more this season.
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I went to Spurs on Saturday and the euphoria of that day quickly evaporated to anger and embarrasment about last night. I’m not usually one to knock players or the manager, but on this occasion Mick got it WRONG, VERY WRONG. No respect for the Wolves shirt, no respect for the fans, no respect for Man Utd’s contenders for the title. From what i saw, the under-strength Man Utd team were not particularly that good, they didn’t have to be. Just makes me wonder if we had fielded a full strength side, maybe we could have knicked a point. How good would Molineux have felt about itself on Sunday as the players ran out to a heroes welcome. Sadly, that has all gone. I just feel very, very angry about this.
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What a bunch of numpties you all are for asking for refunds!
It was your decision to go to Old Trafford in the first place, no-one forced you to go. Did anyone think that even with a full strength squad we’d actually get anything from the game, especially after Saturdays exploits? If your deluded enough to think that then you deserve to have wasted all that money.
The United reserves knocked us out of the cup so why would a stronger side not beat us in the league? Especially when they have a point to prove after losing to Villa!
The pressure now is on the first team to get a result on Sunday but after a weeks rest, they’ll be in a much better position to do so than they would have been if they’d have all played last night.
If we win on Sunday, Mick made the right decision last night. If we lose, then it was a mistake. Although knowing the majority of Wolves fans, its a case of Guilty until proven Innocent.
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and anouther thing i really hope the fa or the prem league throw the book at mccarthy to let him know how he has desgraced the name of WOLVERHAMPTON WANDERERS get him out now before its to late ,,,,WE ARE WOLVES,,,,ilk
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40. How can they throw the book at him, as much as I am inclined to agree with you, the rule book states that a team must field it’s best side. Question who decides what is the best team for any given match at a football club? Answer, the manager. How can any outside individual or organisation claim to know what is or isn’t the best team avaiable to any football club at any given time. Wolves fans even disagree on who should be in or out of the side every week.
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oh what a suprise no thoughts of a refund from moxey and total support for the muppet total disregard for the best away fans in the country here we go again letting the life blood of the club suffer at the hands of the two most arrogant men in football. morgan get a grip you might hold the purse strings but its our club the fans
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Thank you wolwan79 No20 for a sensible and accurate reflexion of my feelings. Matthew and I left Buckinghamshire at 11.00 reached our overnight hotel in Wolverhampton at 1.30 this morning and back home at 12.00 so a 24 hour excercise costing approx £130. For the first time in my life and hopefully the last I was embarrassed to be there with the Wolves, and at Man. U of all places and nothing to do with those who played and tried their best.
Both Bolton and Birmingham had tough games to contend with at the weekend but played virtually their same teams again last night and gained valuable points. Are their players at better fitness levels than ours bearing in mind we are billed as a “young and hungry”side?
Last season we attended 39 of the 44 matches and the season before only missed 3 and we face a 230 mile round trip for a home game!
In all the years of following the Wolves I have never been to Old Trafford or Anfield. I signed up for the away season ticket scheme B this season at an up front cost of £440 to make sure that at last I could realize my dream to at last witness our team in action at these famous venues.
I have with heavy heart just written to the Wolves ticket office returning my Boxing day Liverpool tickets requesting a refund including my pre booked coach travel which would have followed on from the 2 hours in the car to reach the ground.
Happy Christmas to all fellow fans but mine won’t be quite the same now.
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Re 40
Err, isn’t the point about football is that you don’t know who will win when you go to a game? As others have pointed out we beat Utd five years ago and 25 years ago a relegation bound Wolves side went to Anfield…..
I don’t think it maters what happens on Sunday, it was a disgraceful decision, get those complaints in to the club.
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I can understand the cost of going to Utd last night and YES WITHOUT A DOUBT the club should have made it clear that major changes would happen. However the idiots who are asking for Mick to be sacked need to grow up. For god sake he managed to get a great result on Saturday and Burnley is a game that we have more of a chance of winning.
If we had played Doyle, Milijas, Ward, SEB etc and they picked up injuries I guarantee that fans would have been saying why play them in a game we had very little chance of winning.
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Family of three home and away season ticket holders. £126.00 entrance fee, petrol, travel time. Total disbelief when heard team selection.
When you are in any game you should treat it as an FA cup final. They have cheated the league, the players and the fans. Same old, same old you are just cash cows. But it will stop. I hope we will beat Burnely or this will rumble on.
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Last night’s debacle is the equivalent to me managing a business, telling my staff to have tomorrow off because today has been extremely busy, and then bringing in agency staff to cover for them. The net results would be, poor productivity, poor motivation because they no they are not as good as the staff they have replaced, loss of current or potential customers(supporters), I get the sack for making such a stupid, irresponsible decision, and I would deserve it too, as does McCarthy, who I treat with the distain that he treats me.
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took my season ticket back when moxey joined the club and not been back since.The way he treats the fans just wondering how many has done the same
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Clan Shaw Wolf your the numptie the fans are asking for a refund because when you go to a first team match thats got a lot riding on it you expect to see the first team can’t you understand we need as many points as possible from every game utd was wobbling with so many defenders out it was our best chance of beating them but no mad mick picks and chooses his games to try and get points from so negative!i just hope for the players sake they dont train before we play on sunday because a few of them are bound to get injured and its all been a waste of time resting them,,,Winslow Wolf i know what you mean but not so long ago mad mick said this wolves team is the fittest team he,s ever had yet now they arn’t fit enough to play 3 games in 8 days whats mad mick gunna do if for the last 3 games of the season we need points to stay up is he going to rest em then,knowing mad mick yes!just to prove a point,,,,WE ARE WOLVES,,,,ilk
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No40, you are clearly another arm chair fan who doesn’t understand what us loyal supporters went through last night! pay over £100 dont get home until 1:45 due to M6 traffic and have to watch the reserves. Been to every away day and although no one forces me to go, I go to support my team and do my bit to keep us in this league. Why dont you start going to some games and then have an opinion because if you dont understand our frustration then your not a true wolf
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players cant play sat, tues, sunday – get a grip!!! how about normal people who work mon,tue,wed,thurs, and fri…i cant ask for a thursday off just cos i’ve had a long tiring day at work on the wed! COMPLETE JOKE!
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consider this Wolves go down by 1 point or even worse a goal or 2.
if we can beat spurs and get a draw against villa, who beat man utd! why is it so inconceivable that we cant at least get a point from the game with our best team.
i feel sorry for all the fans who traveled.
what chance have we got of attracting good players, players that want to play in big games against big teams – they wont come now.
Moxey your a disgrace – your continued disrespect of the tremendous support that Wolves have is unbelievable, we have spent hard earned money to watch if im honest a lot of rubbish over the last 20 years, in the hope that one day we will get to play premier league matches at old trafford only to see a reserve team turn out – you ain’t got a clue about what this club means to us and about football in general and the sooner steve morgan works that out and gets rid of you the better
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it just goes to prove that money has completley taken over the game, there is so much pressure to stay in the premier league because of the rewards that managers are making rash team selections like mick did last night, any player should be up for it when your playing man. utd idont care if you played the day before, as far as i,m concerned there,s no bigger stage. But lets not be to pessemistic because it rubs off and you win nothing being pessemistic..
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I can just about live with Mick’s team selection but not Moxey’s predictable, disgraceful attitude.
Oh goody…he ‘empathises’ with our fans…well doesn’t everyone feel better now!
Mick could easily have had a few more regulars in his starting line up instead of sitting them on the bench…and simply brought them off if they were struggling. Exhaustion related injuries are picked up in the last 10 minutes, not the first 45. Would anyone have objected if Hill & Friend were on the bench? Mick just had to do it the Mick McCarthy way for the dramatic headlines.
So what now with Liverpool away…only 2 days before Man City at home. The sad thing is both would have been very winnable with our tremendous support…but who’s going to Anfield now?
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OUR CLUB is run by morons supported by a few happy clappers. I will still be here when the 3 muppets are a bad memory. clear off the three of you. No chance of that is there? Still plenty of milking to do!
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two words sum up the whole episode “total disgrace!”
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I really dont agree with your lot fielding a weak team for the game not that I am bothered about the result but it’s not right to do that to fans that pay our hard earned cash to see our football clubs!! its disgraceful the comments Jez Moxey has put in the press he is trating football fans with no respect, after all without fans there would be no football clubs!!!!!!.
dont say this to loud (lol) but I am genuinly sorry for the fans that paid well over 100 pound last night for travel and tickets to have to watch reserve and squad players!!
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I think you are all getting a little hot under the collar here guys. Look it is an expensive game being in the Premiership, but we all want to be in it. One day I hope we can field a full strength team at Man Utd but this was not the time to do it. In the space of a few weeks we have lost Keogh, Foley, Ebanks-Blake, Doyle, Edwards, Mancienne & Zubar. Now they are getting fit again we have to make them match fit. Foley, Zubar & Mancienne all got a great fitness check last night much better than they get playing in the reserves.
Now I agree the cost of going to the games is huge this year and I took my 7 year old who is Ebanks mad as well. However, I thought there were some real positives from last night – I didn’t expect us to win, and I thought the fans were fantastic for the most part.
I agree with Sqaud rotation – I don’t agree with rotating the entire team however, but that said I still had a great night out. And yes I was entertained.
Come on you Wolves, prove Mick right on Sunday.
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Anybody read Bully’s comments, this bloke is my hero,but i think he must have headed the ball too many times.You can’t tell me he wouldn’t have played on saturday and then wanted to play at Old Trafford on tuesday even if he was knackered!!!
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would also like to say well done for the bolton and tottenham wins lads, great bounce back.
It was expected to lose against utd, so wasnt suprised when i heard we would rest the team for burnley, didnt realise it would get such a reaction. feel very sorry for the wolves fans who travelled up there 42quid a ticket to watch the reserves i’d feel let down and angry to. Youve let the fans down again moxey! AGAIN specially on the refund you tight arse! i love wolves but i really do hate this guy what does he know about football.
Could of got a draw if we had the full team out, possibly a point dropped mick. Hope it works, we must beat burnley we have to drag them into trouble see how they cope. Come on lads!
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Me and my daughter went last night,2x£42 tickets plus booking charges. This, without the fuel cost of £30, car parking charge of £8 and food and drinks etc £20, which in total cost me £145, only to be insulted and embarrassed by your manager. A paltry sum to people such as yourself and your staff, who are on highly inflated wages, but to us mere mortals who supported this club before you arrived, and will still be supporting them long after you and the rest of the mercenaries have left for greater riches, this is a large sum of money which I certainly would not have paid in advance if I had known that it was going to be a reserve team fixture.Total disgrace, 3M’s are tearing this club apart,wake up and smell the coffee morgan,sack thick mick and the fat controller now before it’s to late.
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I could understand him resting 2 or 3 players but the whole team is unbelievable.I have constantly criticised Moxey on this site and his comments come as no surprise to me.All this club are interested in is screwing as much money out of the fans and giving back as little as possible.I feel so sorry for the fans who went last night.Although a season ticket holder for many years I stopped going to the away games years ago.After last night you couldnt blame anyone for staying away in the future.
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As soon as a club get promoted fans dream of going to Old Trafford and watching their team COMPETE against one of the best teams in Europe if not the world.
Are we expected to throw away every mid-week game because of these statistics?
How about resting McCarthy from these games and letting the reserve team manager do his job
Couldn’t do more lousy a job than Mick
As for Moxey? Just lousy full stop!!!!
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Seem to remember that teams like Man U, Liverpool, etc have fielded weakened teams ahead of important games in the Champions league so it’s not exactly unique.
In the grand scheme of things it’s not that important. What matters is that we remain in the Premiership and try and build on what we have.
By the way I was at both the Spurs and Man U games.
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I have 2 colleagues-one a season ticket holder and one an Arsenal fan. Both didn’t go and are in unison in denouncing McCarthy. I can see Mick’s reasoning but would be livid at paying good money for that treatment. As for Moxey how could anyone be surprised…. Fans matter as long as they cough up, then they are too easily treated as flem.
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I disagree with what McCarthy did and feel the best way to protest is boycott future away games.Support them to the rafters at home but forget the away matches !
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I understand the frustration of those who went to old Trafford but i’m sure a lot of you would have screamed if Doyle for example had been injured in a garanteed lost.
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Respect to Mick for taking a big risk. If we win against Burnley then we have 9 points from 12 and he’ll be able to point to the freshness of the players for the result. If we lose then the Utd game looks like a complete give-away.
Brave management or massive mistake? We’ll find out at the Moly on the weekend…
…and Moxey – Give ‘em their money back.
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Mick made the right decision. He also announced in advance that changes would be made but he’s not going to name the squad for Ferguson. I enjoyed watching the game (on TV) for once without any nerves. Wolves had nothing to lose and the fact that Man U were up against our second eleven, may just have given them the jitters, should they have gone behind. Remember how the nerves were shattered after playing Arsenal and Chelsea….the first team don’t have that problem this time around. Had we won, nobody would be winging. Good call Mick…roll on Sunday.
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22 you’re the disgrace – how come not everyone realises football is now a squad game, why should we pay players if we’re not going to play them. Look at the bigger picture
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What a bunch of drama queens Wolves fans are.
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Tim said: Dec 16th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Many of the players from last night have started many games this year. It is not as though Wolves have a set starting 11.
Just sums some of you lot up, Matt Hill started 1 game, blackburn..what a shambles that was!
George friend only makes the bench for Scunthorpe, starts against the champions, how is that ever a good idea??
How many games has elokobi started at centre half this season tim?
3 left backs starting in same line up, 2 right backs, 1 of whom played in midfield the other (who don’t even get me started on) walked up and down the right wing, it’s alright though he has a good throw…..we’ve scored once from it (fulham)
Did you even go Tim?
Some of you on here have got it bang on, it’s not just £42 it’s £1.75 booking fee even though youre an away season ticket holder and tickets are sent out, £22 in taxi’s, £15 coach, that’s £80 that’s before the beer to drown our sorrows for the piffle we watched never mind the half day at work yesterday and lack of production today cos I didn’t get home til 2 this morning, due to the m6!
You just don’t give a stuff about us do you moxey!!
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Oh it was also 42 quid to watch the reserves in the carling cup & nobody moaned at that one
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I suppose like most Wolves fans I can see both sides of this one. I wasn’t at Old Trafford last night, but, over the years I’ve ‘wasted’ time and money on postponed and abandoned matches, not to mention thrashings, so I entirely sympathise with all the hard earned money that’s been spent. You aren’t going to get a refund, but, maybe Jez Moxey should think of a seasonal gesture to ease the pain. Free merchandise, free coach travel to Liverpool etc, two for one tickets for an F A Cup tie….something on those lines.
What really infuriates me is the sanctimonious attitude of the national press. For once they’ve noticed a club outside their precious top four (six this year !)They’ve all played weakened sides when it’s suited them (in some cases at the end of the season when it’s really hurt other clubs ). Not just in the Premiership either, what about some of the goings on in the European Championship and the Cups ? ….and don’t forget Manchester United actually pulled out of the F A Cup one season !
Maybe Mick went a bit too far by changing all ten outfield players, but, it’s his call.
Can’t help thinking this was the time to take on United if ever there was a time…..and let’s pray this isn’t a clanger of Bryan Robson proportions when he did the same with the Tesco basket cases a few seasons ago ! .
Now calm down everybody, calling each other muppets and numpties and morons isn’t the spirit of Christmas is it?
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It is quite apparent that the three M’s have no GOLD and BLACK blood in their vains, they only have pounds shillings and pence in their mind. We were treated with utter contempt by the management,who don’t care about the fans, because we have already got our season tickets.
I feel sorry for the players if they can’t play football three times a week, if they can’t its because thaey are not fit enough.
I would imagine after the win at Spurs they would have been in high spirits to match their performance at united but MM just gave them a deflation pil. Why are all, teh other teams playing their best players is it because they want to stay in the premiership!!!!I fear the worst on Sunday(unfortunatly), but I will still be there because WOLVES will always be my team.So Mr MORGAN think hard and long about your management.
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How many of you would be moaning if he’d played the same team that beat Spurs (minus Edwards) and then watched their legs completely go in the 2nd half and watch us ship 10!
GET REAL!
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Moxey and MUCKITUPMcCarthy are making this great club a complete laughing stock FULL STOP.
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Anybody going to LIVERPOOL on Boxing Day?
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The only thing that could be worse than this monumental balls-up, would be to do something ridiculous like give the south-bank away to an opposition team…..oh, hang on……
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Once youv’e made a decision to change a winning team, and you’re playing Man Utd Away with a club who is going to definately finish in the bottom 5, why not keep changing it? THIS IS THE PREMIERSHIP GUYS! We would have had to keep playing until they won anyway!!
As it is, we only conceded 3 away to the champions, and we should be raring to go on Sunday. Who gives a toss what anyone else thinks? If you don’t like it, tough – go and support a non premiership team! Seriously – this sort of thing is what top flight football is all about! MONEY through SURVIVAL, whether its survival in the top 4, or survival in 17th, cup games or unwinnable games – forget them!
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I can understand both arguments for and against the changes MM made last night. I would have been very disappointed if I had been able to go, but due to work commitments I was travelling south while the game was going on up North. I was at Spurs on Saturday, my 6th away game this season and I saw the effort put in and have every admiration for what was achieved there. In reality what is more important, to possibly lose 2-3 players to silly injuries for Sunday and lose to Man Utd or be able to field the same team that toppled Spurs, fresh and ready to go on Sunday and win? This debate will rage for years let alone days, yes it could be the catalyst for reprecussions, but only the league table will tell the story after 38 games.
Come on lads! 3 points Sunday and justify the selections made.
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You’re a disgrace Moxey!It displays your lack of interest in the playing side and the the fans’ interests.You say you are a businessman!Expecting people to pay ‘top dollar’ for an inferior product!On yer bike Moxey!
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I travelled all the way up from Torquay for this game, what a joke!!!! United were there for the taking last night this could cost us dearly.
SACK THE FOOL NOW!!! And if Moxey agrees with him SACK THE BOARD ASWELL!!!!
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On McCarthy – he will live or die by his decision, many of you think he is wrong, but your job does not depend on the decision and with respect none of you know as much about football and the players involved.
On Moxey – if that’s the best he can do then he should leave now, no respect for the fans and saying he has ‘empathy’ is a bad joke. He has no idea of the commitment that away support involves to working people.
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Saturday was a wonderful day to be a Wolves fan.Let us not forget our main aim must be Premier survival..The decision on Tuesday was exreme but in my view technically correct.We need to win the war not every battle.I hope the club finds some way to compensate those fans who went to Old Trafford.I am a season ticket ‘homer ‘and these days only rarely do I go away,but clearly our away support this season has been superb, and I hope those loyal away fans are not distracted by a one off exceptional situation.
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thought the idea of getting into the premier league was to play at grounds like old trafford !!hate the idea of my team giving up on any game …i could understand 2 or 3 changes ….but 10 is just plain wrong .
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sorry, i for one can not defend MM. the facts are we lost again and never were with the team we put out. did we think burnley would be man u? the only way to survive in this league is to fight for every point. we havn’t a game until sunday and the likes of man und play and travel most weeks and still succeed. the skill levels might be different but the fitness levels shouldn’t be! But don’t worry if we do win on sunday mick will be telling us all how we were wrong to complain and he was right all along.
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I am fed up with this, yes we paid 42 pound to go up there and support the team and what ever players pull on the shirt deserve our support and I thought they did well enough last night. Now shut up bitchin and get behind the lads on Sunday.You sound like a bunch of Albion fans.
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why not just play the teams we think we can beat then and there would only be about 20 games ayear the point is to test your best teams against the best teams thats what fans wait a long to see or am i missing the point
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Firstly anyone who didnt travel last night has no right to comment.
I went to work at 7.ooam. Left at 3pm.
Sat in traffic for 4 hours, paid £10 to park, got in after they had kicked off. Hungry thirsty and then saw the team!!!!!!
Anyone who travelled last night and paid the £42 to watch the reserves are the only ones who should comment.
It was a total disgrace.
We expect our best t o be rested but 10 changes???
Even Steve Morgan left 15mins before the end!!!
come on Wolves treat us with some respect we deserve it.
Burnley must be really looking forward to us on Sunday now!!!
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Tonsy says thats what he calls getting a shift in, 10 on em.
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Im sick of people having a pop. why are we the wolves supporters so fickle. before the bolton gaem it was MICK OUT MICK OUT after the spurs game it was SUPER SUPER SUPER MICK MCARTHY, now he rests his main lot JUSTIFIABLY. all i hear from people in these boards is “when is the hoff gonna get a start” “whens foley back” “why aint he playing zubes” “when Lumo comes back were gonna be great” he did all that last night and ur still moaning.
it was pretty much certian that we would lose and man u, who ever we took. statistically. so why risk injury and fatigue? and this first team of which every one is calling for lost 4-1 to gunners, and 4-0 to chelsea, who are both equal to or lower than man u at the mo. So if anything these RESERVES of which you speak did better than our super first team.
tell me those calling for a refund would your trip be so much better seeing e-blake not score rather than the hoff not score? would u rather watch craddock let strikers run round him rather than watch zubes give away pennos?(actually not sure which is worse there) would u rather watch hennessy picking his nose rather than hannehman doing his best?
how will this make these players feel? how badly is their confidence knocked now that their fans dont even wanna give them a chance because they aint the wolves who won at white heart lane 2 days before? thats gonna be great for when we need to call on them during an injury or something. and as well as that i bet u will all be booing before a ball is even kicked on sunday, which will knock the confidence and probs make us lose which will again make u all start on mick again!
plus our “first team” will be full of guilt for wanting a rest and be shaken for the game on sunday too. i fear a loss on sunday i really do
cant you all just for once act like FANS. that what your meant to be of players management all things wolves?!
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The people on here defending MM & Moxey are mad! What MM did last night was throw the game, why didn`t he say to Fergie here are your 3 points and not bother with the game. He has bought the game into disrepute and sport in general – is he going to do the same when we play the return at Molineux and when we play Arsenal and Chelsea again! Did Martin O`Neill give up before Saturday as Villa`s record was shocking at Old Trafford – NO!!!!!!!! It is disrepectful and sheer arrogance saying to football we will beat Burnley with our so called ` A – Team ` when this team did not beat Hull & Portsmouth!!! MM has made us an embarrassment! Moxey is treating the fans with contempt! The Premier League would be within their right to deduct points because we did not try to win the game. I didn`t actually go last night but I am fuming as what do the powers be say when we were winning the championship we can’t wait to play the likes of Man United – so what do we do……………………….
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I didn’t agree with the team selection, although i can understand why mick did it. However, simply rolling over and letting teams dominate you is unacceptable. To stay up you need to compete whoever the opposition and if you get beat, you get beat, regroup and try again. Its disgusting the way Moxey has ruled out a refund, then blames it on George Friend, really shows how much he values the players and supporters. Hopefully this mess will be made easier with 3 points sunday, keep the faith!
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Refunds were never on the agenda, for the very reason that the club take our loyalty for granted.
Radio 5 have just broadcast an interview with Moxey, in which he professes surprise at McCarthy’s actions- signs, perhaps, that he’s now trying to distance himself from his manager?
If the Premier League do take punitive action, as always, it’ll be the supporters who ultimately suffer- whether it’s a points deduction that undermines our slender survival chances; or financial, which would no doubt see the club tightening the purse strings in the transfer market.
But the damage already done to the club’s reputation and self-esteem is already palpable.
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NO AMBITION, NO AMBITION, this typifies your mismangment of the Club, Rip of the fans, try and do it on the cheap ay Jez. Meanwhile ALL the other W>Mids Clubs succeed around us – including STOKE and Brum.
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You lot are some of the worst fans in the country. Moan all the time and never happy. Wake up and smell the coffee it’s Sunday’s match you need to win.
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I went to Chelsea as well of most of our earlier away games and saw us raise the white flag then. I felt conned when I got home. Surman started for the first time (what is his only other start?). We started with Jarvis up front and Doyle rested (Anelka started who had played in same game). Players never tackled and it was like a Chelsea (light) training session. Only good bit was fan throwing shoe on pitch. Players only seemed interested in exchanging shirts.
Saw writing on wall and hence gave last night a miss as I knew he would play weakened team but was surprised at how weak. I completely agree in this as wrong decision on SO many levels.
How about the players. Henry, Doyle, SEB et al would have looked out this fixture at start of season as a biggy. What pro would not want to play at OT against Roony, Scholes etc. MM robs them of the CHANCE to have a go at them. Doyle would have been against that hardened centre-half Carrick. Unfortunately they are not good enough to be on the same pitch as Man U. They can play against Burnley though. I s this going to be our “Phil Brown’ moment without the cushion of a fantastic early start.
Also this bit about effort and hard games. Do we not expect 100% effort in ALL games. There is always a risk of injury in every game(they have to cross the road as well).
This was final straw (glad someone mentioned giving South Bank to Boggies) and the fans who travelled should have refund.
We COULD have got something last night-I hear Pompey just equalised at the Bridge!!!!!
Respect for TRUE Wolves fans
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I watched Wolves from 1968 until the end of Glenn Hoddles reign, I was one of the 1800 in the lowest ever crowd versus Bournmouth in freight Rover Trophy. A season ticket both pre and post Bhatti’s. My reason for not going anymore – the total lack of respect for the fan since Jez Moxey came to Wolves. I have never been back and will not go to molineux again until he is gone. He now has a man as arrogant as him in charge of the team.
Injuries to Kightly – 2 weeks ago he “wasn’t ready” for the premiership.
Wolves fans wake up and smell the coffee, many of you are swallowing the spin hook, line and sinker and you will continue to be fleeced.
I watched every home game in the season wolves dropped from the old 3rd to the 4th division Who remembers Peter Zelem and Ricky Herbert tried their hearts out but weren’t good enough. Now we have a manager who is not prepared to try, I respect Peter and Ricky, I will never again respect Mick McCarthy.
Mr Morgan you have a huge time bomb ticking at Molineux I wish you a lot of luck you are going to need it
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Oh I forgot to say which team will play at Liverpool on Boxing Day 26th December, I wonder if the same one will play Manchester City on the 28th.
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The more i think about this the more disgusted i am!
Anyone see Arsene Wengers interview!! Saying Man Utd are only competing in 37 games this year……..
Moxey doesnt even have the nouse to reimburse fans who went to get some of us back on side somewhat. Jez you are a clown. Mick you are a disgrace.
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The only way to make a statement to Moxley is to boycott the next away game. But you won;t, because you will all tripe out the ” we have to be there to support the lads” jibberish.Well, I don’t see Mccarthy or Moxey supporting you!!Just taking your money with a slimy smile. Boycott the next game, or you are all just as big a fool as Moxey and Mccarthy. They should both be sacked, but, Morgan has no balls.
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Moxey your more arrogant than big nose himself 2 fingers up to the fans,all your interested in is getting enough money to buy your pathetic basketball franchise in the states,well the sooner you leave the better,you have never been in touch with the real fans of this club.Last night was a chance to beat a man utd side with no defence.Has Owen Coyle played a weakened team this season?No he hasnt.Is Burnleys squad bigger than ours?No it isnt.Would we have had an extra days rest before Sunday?Yes we would have.(Embarrassing to the 3 Ms Morgan,Moxey and McCarthy)
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After that team selection I have been totaly drained all day. You win games and play a winning team til you lose. We could have beaten Utd last night and then the Burnley game would have been less sigbificant.
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As most of the Happy Clappers don’t actually go to matches, then they will support the indefensible and morally reprehensible stance of Moxey and McCarthy.
There are Premiership rules against this immoral situation, but the Moxey slime ball will *CHARM* the supporters back no doubt, because he appears to hold the whip hand.
However, the supporters hold the ultimate whip-hand, if only they stop allowing themselves to be lead by the nose by Moxey!
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Well, after this cynical con-trick I won’t be going to the Boxing Day Liverpool game, as we could have the Academy playing for us!
We are Wolves, not cubs!
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I am left cross that our club deceived so many loyal supporters by selling them tickets to the Premiership game at ManUre with the implied assertion that Wolves would be complying with Premiership rules and fielding their strongest team.
Wolves broke the Premiership rules and we only fielded our reserve team. This is possibly a criminal offence, but undeniably a cheap con trick!
This is not the standard of morality we expect at the Wolves, and deceiving our own people is not acceptable!
A refund and compensation is the least that our supporters should receive!
MR MORGAN, MAKE SURE THIS LOW-LIFE, SCUM-BAG TRICK DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!
ALSO, WHY DON’T YOU EVER SPEAK YOUR MIND TO US SUPPORTERS?
IN FACT, ARE YOU A FIGMENT OF MOXEYS’ IMAGINATION?
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I am on job-seekers, but I scraped together £100 to make the Manchester game, travel, ticket and a pie! The team never turned up, just the reserves.
If scouser Liverpool supporters had the same cynical trick pulled on them, then they would have teared down part of Anfield!
MR MORGAN THINK ABOUT YOUR SCOUSER FRIENDS, AND THEN TRY TO EXTRAPOLATE THAT TO US LOWLY WOLVES FANS.
A REFUND + COMPENSATION IS THE LEAST THAT THE SCOUSERS WOULD EXPECT, AND THE SAME GOES FOR US WOLVES VICTIMS!
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When we loose 10 points as a well deserved punishment for breaking the Premiership rules, will the earning of 3 points from Burnley seem worth it?
Incidentally, the guts of the Burnley team tonight against Arsenal made me very ashamed about McCarthy’s gutless approach to the manure game.
Even in the lowest days in the 4th division the Wolves had honour, it seems to have gone with the 3M’s dominance.
I DON’T LIKE WHERE WE ARE GOING!
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It is obvious that all the happy clappers never actually go to games, because of the heartless way they dismiss the way the *REAL* fans were treated at the Man United game!
They tell the fans who squandered £100+ and 10 hours of hopeless motorway queues that they are just idiots!
The happy clappers are know nothing about anything! Just Mick apologists… they will be gone very soon.
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Mick did he what believd was right for the clubs Premier League survial. But Moxey is an absolute disgrace by treating the fans this way. Mick – good luck. Moxey – out! Remember who pays your wages!
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After Burnley gained a well deserved point against Arsenal tonight,what could that say about our game on Sunday.
We lost 4-0 against Arsenal,with a first team?,it may well backfire on you MM
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All the so called “TRUE Wolves fans” who are bitching at Mick and Moxey. You are not helping at all. The team should be focussing on Burnley and you are forcing the focus on Man U. Win against Burnley and we will be about 14th. 3 wins in 4. Mick’s our best manager since Turner. Moxey’s done a terrific job. What, how can I say that? Because I’m not a leftie with a chip on me shoulder.
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Refund to fans? What a joke. If the fans want the 42 quid back, resist going to the Liverpool game.
If Wolves were to refund the money, guess what, the Premier League would see that as admiting we didn’t try and dock us points.
Get a grip and support the best Wolves team since 1980. Should be getting excited about Sunday!!! Come on Wolves.
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Why are so many people calling the team we played a weakened team. On results and performance they can’t be weaker than the team that played Birmingham/Arsenal/Chelsea.
So tell me, who would you have played instead of Mancienne (look at the posts in the summer when he was going to be THE difference for us). what about Foley (player of last season wasnt he), The Hoff (these boards have been clamouring for him to have a game). I agree Halford is an expensive throw in taker and mot much more but he’s been a regular this season. Hill was replaced by regular jarvis on 60, elokobi has played regularly, so has Castillo. That leaves Friend and Surman I reckon.
Thats pretty much a first team then. If we’d lost to Spurs and made 10 changes there wouldnt be all this fuss.
Sorry guys – logic says no refund. But I know why you’re angry but it would be the wrong decision.
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Moxey has evidently been to a meeting and someone has used the word ‘empathy’. He’s asking Santa for it.
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So if Wolves had have drawn or even ncked a win at OLd Trafford would you all be moaning now? Seems to me that all the hypocrites of the football world have come out of the closet. Just sums up the sorry state of football nowadays. having watched Wolves for over 40 years, I remember when it was an even playing field and not all about money. The media coverage Wolves are getting over this sums it all up. However, Moxey and Co have not done themselves any favours. ALL IN ALL, IT SHOULD MAKE SUNDAY VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!!!
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Sometimes words are simply inadequate. The nonsense written on here is staggering. Ask yourselves, ‘Which top side had we just beaten when you bought your Man Utd tickets? And with what side? And what result you realistically expected at the time you bought your ticket? And ask yourselves whether, at the start of the season, you expected to see a back four of Elokobi, Mancienne, Zubar and Foley? Ask yourselves whether just a week or two ago you’d been calling for the Hoff to start? True, back-to-back wins and especially the win against Spurs gave us a renewed sense of optimism and belief that might (but might not) have been built upon, but MM knows the players and what they are and are not capable of better than we do. And it’s his job on the line not ours. So stop jumping on a band wagon and admit it – you wanted to go to Man Utd/Old Trafford because it was Man Utd/Old Trafford and, when you bought your ticket, you probably had no thought that we might go there and get something from the game. And for those who think Moxey should refund everything you spent your money on that day (wouldn’t you have had to eat if you’d stayed at home?), careful what you ask for – you might just get the offer of a pie and a pint.
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Well it certainly makes Sunday interesting. I like Owen Coyle and they have done well so far but 3 points will put us 19 points with them and as much as Burnley are a good club I fully expect them to go down. Bolton and Hull now have consecutive away games too. As all the pundits on sky sports etc this league just seems to get more exciting there is 9 clubs in a relegation battle and 7 clubs competing for top 4 places it is awesome! Watching Man City last night, alot of their players went very quiet in the cold and I’d love to beat them in a few weeks!
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Wenger is a complete hypocrite, did you see Arsneals last game in europe? Full of kids. Man Utd V Hull last season – 10 changes becuase they had a big week in the week so have we? Teams like Liverpool and Arsneal are kicking up a fuss because they drop too many points themselves. WE ARE WOLVES
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If we would of gone to old trafford with a full side and got a point and then lost to Burnley, we would of been called inconsistent, Mick out etc. Alot of names Ive never seen on here before and I cant you baggie fans. Cardiff and QPR at home and no win, fantastic!
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fed up wolf said:
Dec 16th, 2009 at 7:24 pm I am fed up with this, yes we paid 42 pound to go up there and support the team and what ever players pull on the shirt deserve our support and I thought they did well enough last night. Now shut up bitchin and get behind the lads on Sunday.You sound like a bunch of Albion fans.
Brilliantly said #82
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I was at Old Trafford and I for one was not singing what a majority of the fans were. I’m used to listening to whingeing even when we’re doing well so it was no surprise Tuesday. Too many fans have a dig at the smallest thing, if you don’t like it then quite simply stay away.
We Are Wolves
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OK i didn’t travel up to the game, but I am interested in hearing from the supporters who went, who they would have kept in the team.
Knowing that certain players would be susceptable to injuries (played their socks off, old, coming back from injury, etc), who would would you have chosen?
Please dont make comments along the line they should be capable considering the money they are on – they should be happy wearinging the shirt etc. I’m asking this as a serious question.
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Every paying fan of any team has the right to expect that the club he supports does its very best to win every single match.If as MM & JM suggest each game will be analysed and then that particular game focused on with either a strong or weak team then that policy will lead to certain relegation.
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I went to Old Trafford on Tuesday and thought the lads who played did pretty well until the penalty. My gripe isnt about team selection because that is what we pay the manager for. I respect his decision as it was obviously in the best interests of the club and trying to give us a better chance on Sunday. My problem is that, having gone there, paid for parking and food/drink, some complete muppet decides to close two lanes of the M6 at every one of the four sets of roadworks on the way back. I got home to Kidderminster at 2.45am! I hate the highways agency! LOL
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CRY CRY CRY !!! Calm the hell down. Grow up some of you idiots. This is a TEAM game, not individual. You pay to support the TEAM or am I wrong ??? PLAY EVERYBODY MICK, I WON’T STOP GOING !!!! UP THE WOLVES :)
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I seen Mick being interviewed he thinks its a joke! There was over two thousand of us who couldn’t see the funny side and still can’t. I got home in Brierley Hill after 3 in the morning up for work at 7 thanks Mick! He thinks win Sunday and it will be forgotten how big is the blokes ego?
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