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Manchester United 3 Wolves 0
Tuesday 15th December 2009, 10:00PM GMT.
An unfamiliar Wolves team crashed to defeat at Old Trafford as boss Mick McCarthy chose to rest his entire outfield line-up from the side that beat Tottenham.
McCarthy made no secret of the fact that he was going to make “a couple of changes” with Sunday’s potentially pivotal clash with Burnley very much in mind.
But to make 10 from the team that beat Tottenham on Saturday was seen to increase the pressure on the returning regulars for this weekend’s game.
George Friend and Stefan Maierhofer made their first starts in the Premier League, Matt Hill and Andrew Surman their second, Ronald Zubar and Kevin Foley returned from injury, while George Elokobi, Michael Mancienne and Greg Halford also came in.
Predictably, United started on top and Wayne Rooney forced a point-blank save from Marcus Hahnemann justr three minutes in after the ball broke to him 10 yards out to force the first of five home corners in the first 10 minutes.
Wolves forced the next chance when George Friend, who was only recalled from his loan at Scunthorpe yesterday, volleyed narrowly over after Stefan Maierhofer flicked on Greg Halford’s long throw.
But, not surprisingly, United always carried the greater threat and Rooney turned Mancienne only to see his shot deflected wide. Nemanja Vidic also fired narrowly over before United got the breakthrough they were seeking in the 29th minute.
It came via the spot after Zubar needlessly handled Darron Gibson’s corner, and Rooney stepped up to confidently despatch low to Hahnemann’s right for his 13th goal of the season.
United made it 2-0 on 43 minutes when Vidic’s towering header from Gibson’s corner proved too powerful for Hahnemann to hold, after the Serbian defender rose above Maierhofer and Zubar.
The home side almost scored a third with the last kick of the half when Hahnemann blocked Gabriel Obertan’s shot with his legs.
With the game seemingly lost and the pace almost that of a friendly, the sell-out 3,000 contingent of Wolves fans began to vent their anger with chants of “We want our money back.”
The visitors forced a rare half chance when Friend lashed over, after Surman turned back Maierhofer’s cross.
But United made it 3-0 when Antonio Valencia crashed home first time to leave Hahnemann rooted to the spot, after Paul Scholes’s ball over the top had been hooked into the danger area by Dimitar Berbatov.
With the game now well beyond being competitive, Wolves supporters again made their feelings known about McCarthy’s selection policy with loud chants of “Where is our first team?”, “£40 to watch the reserves” and again “We want our money back.”
McCarthy’s selection was hugely controversial, but all will be forgiven if Wolves beat Burnley.
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This certainly will not be forgiven if we do indeed beat Burnley. The game on Sunday is a priority for us, but when did the game tonight all of a sudden not be?
This could prove very costly at the end of the season if it comes down to goal difference. I thought Mick was a competitor, but he has gone down in my estimation tonight. With that United team, had we stuck with the XI that beat Spurs, we might have been able to get something.
Lets hope it pays off on Sunday.
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McCarthy is a joke, the lads didn’t need a rest they would have been up for it, you dont change almost the entire team because a few players have “niggling injuries”,lets pray we win on saturday for MMs sake, and goal difference doesn’t come into it at the end of the season.
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After this performance by the RESERVES team, we’d better get a win against Burnley! If not, MMs tactics – and tactical abilities – are up for scrutiny, to say the least.
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What a joke this Manager is. I bet Chelsea, Arsenal and Villa are really chuffed with us. To admit defeat before taking the pitch is unforgiveable. MAD MICK OUT !!!
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what a DISGRACE 42 quid to watch that team wolves should
refund the money to all the supporters who went to old trafford HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME WOLVES
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Why i agree we need to rest players for Burnley,
i feel this was a let down to our fine away supporters paying £42. to watch a reserve team.
We are not a Chelsea with a wealth of reserve,s. To me this shows arrogance on Mcarthy,s part and
i hope will not take the momentum of the great
win on saturday into the Burnley game.
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What a terrible negative attitude to put out this team against Manchester United. Whilst I can understand a few changes from Saturday this was a disgrace!
We are going one way with Mick Mcarthy and that is back to THE CHAMPIONSHIP!
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What a load of rubbish. This game has cost us a fortune to watch the second team we might of got a point with the first team and we might loose on sunday so whats the point play your best team always. You have let us down
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OK I didn’t go but given the ridiculous ticket price the fans who did deserve better. It would cost the club £120 000 to refund them (even half the cost would be a gesture) which is chicken feed and I suspect it won’t happen again this season as we have no more ‘unwinnable’ fixtures. Worth it to keep unity and togetherness in the club. Come on Jez show some respect for the people who pay your wages! Still the last sentence of the article says it all.
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i dont mind some of the fringe players getting a start but we started with 5 full backs on the pitch we had a centre half at right back and a right back at centre mid . A left back at centre half. Could zubar of started in the middle of defence and foley right back with either elokobi or hill at left back .
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Please can someone explain what micko was thinking?
When I heard the news I could not beleive what I was hearing!Why bother going to Manchester?
He should have phoned FA and told them add 3points to man u total!
When we lost to ARSENAL]CHELSEA and then against BRUM this micko guy came out and said even though we were expected to lose to ARSENAL/CHELSEA it had dented the confidence of the players affecting the performance against BRUM!!So what does he do??Throws the game after Wolves had won there last two games!!You want to make changes fine make two three four but why change the whole outfield?
To rest the players?? For god sake we play on sunday!The rested players were on a super high there is a strong possibility we would have got a positive result!!What if we lose on sunday?? this is crazy decision!!If we had put out the squad that played and won at spurs and they had lost it would have not been by 3goals as come the end of season goals different could be the difference of staying up!!! has he forgotton that we did not finish in the playfuls the season before last due to ONE goal!!IN recent international breaks how many times have Wolves won when two thirds of the squad have had a break for the international games for two weeks ?NONE!!!
This is why I call this guy a MUPPET!!!
This is why I WILL WANT HIM OUT!!!
We have 38 games we cant be throwing games away!!!
MICKO your team were fresh as daisys when we played WEST HAM in the first game of the season what happened? WE LOST!!
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Although I feel for the fans who travelled to Old Trafford, we lost by less than we did to Arsenal and Chelsea with our “full” team, and if we take 3 points on Sunday this decision will be fully justified.
I guess with the reception tonights team selection will receive on here, they damn well better get three points :-]
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WHY DID WE BOTHER TURNING UP MICK WASTE OF PETROL A NO BRAINER I BET THE SUPPORTERS ARE WELL IMPRESSED WHO PAID GOOD MONEY TO WATCH THE RESERVES
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No, all will not be forgiven if we beat Burnley. We are looking at a Man Utd team who are fragile at the least and if we had put out a first team we could have at least gained a point.
I think that McCarthy’s team selection tonight is the worst management decision in the 35 years that I have supported our club. The fans who travelled to Old Trafford will be outraged and quite rightly so.
His comments before the game, talking about being slapped back down to earth when we go to Old Trafford sums up our manager’s approach.
I would also like to apologise to fans of Chelsea and Arsenal who would at least expect us to challenge in what is, at the end of the day, a premiership match.
Sack him.
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YES REFUND THE FANS, BUT AFTER SATURDAY TONIGHT WAS IRRELEVANT IN THE BIG PICTURE, this could in time be a very wise move what would have happened if doyle had done his hamstring then we would all be saying he should never have played . LOOK at the bigger picture we are trying to stay up tonight is irrelevant.
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what a disgrace that was selecting the reserve team to play utd knowing we needed at least a point from tonights game,and the reason for resting them is for the burnley match sunday i really hope we win now mick if not do the honourable thing and walk away from this club we need a manager who wants to win every game and not just pick and choose games to win through the season? thx to your team selection we are now back in the bottom 3 well done mick you have well and truly lost the plot mad mick strikes again,and i really hope the fans that went get there money back no they should get there money back once again what a DISGRACE?,,,,WE ARE WOLVES,,,,ilk
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I am absolutely livid with McCarthy over his team selection.
With the exception of Jody Craddock we have a team that should be physically able to cope with playing a mid-week match yet McCarthy chooses to rest all the outfield players who did so well against Spurs. I don’t accept the argument that the rested players will benefit from not playing mid-week. The team gained confidence from winning back-to-back wins and would have been in the right frame of mind to challenge Man U.
We need to scrap for every single point as each one is valuable and now the pressure is on to win the Burnley game to get us back out of the bottom three and keep us in touch with the pack ahead of us.
McCarthy has cheated the fans with his team selection and deserves a reprimand
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you guys are unbelievable. you loved ur gaffer 48 hours. stop jumpin ships!
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I hate to say it, but over the “aren’t we a great team” zillions of comments, I did state that Mick is so dumb that after a great victory he will change the whole team…and he did…we have the players to stay up, we don’t have a manager to achieve it..he has no idea and the old adage “if it works don’t fix it” appears to have been left at Sunderland, oh yeah he got his ass booted out of there as well
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Which other Premiership manager would do what McCarthy has done tonight? Answer no one!
Absolutely appalling team that he picked tonight. How can Friend walk into the team when he couldn’t even get in Scunthorpes team?! If we don’t win on Sunday McCarthy will be a laughing stock!
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3 points on sunday and all will be forgiven, cant for the life of me understand the substitution of the hoff, his confidence must be shot.
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wanderer from eire is bang on. mick ur a joke people have waited years for these opportunities including the players from the spurs win who surely should have been fired up for this match. utd are not fluent and steaming through teams at the moment and with a full side we may well have nicked something from here.42 quid plus travel and a few hours lost in wages to get here and wow this stubborn idiot throws out a side that would have struggled to win in the championship.
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MAY BE JEZ AND MICK WILL BUY YOU ALL A PIE AND A PINT TO SAY SORRY ..
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Feel sorry for our loyal away support, looked like a training ground match! Never said this about our beloved team but painful to watch.
One bright point was Surman looked like he could step up and great to have Foley back…….still trying to figure out what Mick saw in Halford, 2 mill seems a lot for a long throw cos he offers nothing else and went hiding most of the game.
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What a disgrace does this mean when ever we play a big club we are going to put out a reserve side
if this is what he intends to do at Liverpool we would like to know as we would like my money back for tonight and the Liverpool game we pay good money to watch the first team not the reserves
It says in the season ticket that all reserve matches are free
Out with the gonk he hasn’t got a clue
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All i can say is im disgusted and angry with MM.
Although i didnt go to Manchester, i feel so sorry for the fans who paid hard earned cash to travel up the M6. I remember MM saying when we lost to Man Utd in the league cup earlier in the season, that it made him angry that we rolled over had our bellies tickled and then sent back home. Well MM this time you have excelled yourself, to make 10 outfield changes to a team that had just won two on the bounce, is really mind blowing.You rolled over before a ball was even kicked. Sir Alex must have laughing his socks off when the team was announced.God forbid if we lose to Burnley on Sunday you should be sacked, and if Morgan or Moxey are reading this forum you should make some sort of good will gesture to the fans who bought tickets. MM we should have had a go at them with our strongest squad possible any game can be won just ask SPURS….
MM if i could i would sack you tonight….
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Hang on, these players are trained professionals who are supposed to be super-fit and desperate to play as much football as they possibly can. So why did they need to be rested? If we were saving our players for the FA Cup Final or a lucrative Champions League knock-out game then fair enough. But saving our players for Burnley? Gimme a break! If we’re not going to put out our strongest squad for EVERY game then the Club, the management and the board deserve all the flak they get. AT LEAST DIE TRYING!
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10 changes ridiculous. do you think the FA will investigate as to why mccarthy fielded sutch a weakened side. it must be an insult to you loyal fans. if man united win the league on goal aggregate, this win would have helped.
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A reality check is needed,did anyone think we would beat or even get a draw against utd, no matter what team we put out.The bookmakers had us at 16/1 to win.We are playing a high tempo, high energy sapping game now and to keep that going in three games in eight days, is asking alot.Hopefully come 3-20 sunday, Mick Macarthy will be forgiven and tonight will be forgotten.
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Stan Cullis would be turning in his grave had he seen this complete surrender. I remember when we had pride, Roy Keane was right about Mcarthy, he is a loser.
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Chill out doubters. The Mancs had no hesitation in sending out their 2nd team to beat our 1st team, 1-0, in the Carling Can. So why be worried: big boy’s games, big boy’s rules! It was a good chance to give players a game and have a look who ‘fancies it’. I for one am looking foreward to taking my seats for the Burnley game.
Oi, Burnley’s Goalie. Who ate all the pies.
Oh yeah. That was me wasn’t it.
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Why did we bother at Spurs? They were on the back of a 9-1 win last home game. Where will the line be drawn at ‘winnable’ and ‘non-winnable’ games?
We don’t have the luxury of fielding reserve teams, EVERY POINT NEEDS TO BE CONTESTED. I’m so angry it’s untrue. What if we do beat Burnley, who’s to say we couldn’t have got a draw or even more against a VERY below par Man Utd team? Who’d have give us a prayer at White Hart Lane?
Plus it’s disrespectful to the fans and the league.
Will Burnley field a below par team against Arsenal tomorrow even though they play us on Sunday and have a day less to recover? We all know the answer, I’ve never seen anything so stupid.
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The choosen players, played well enough tonight, some just aren’t quite good enough, Others too young and inexperenced for a game of this stature. Has a Wolves fan who paid good money to watch our beloved team tonight I’m gutted as the players must be. The pre match team talk must of been totally soul distroying for the players as MM’s selection told them their not good enough and you’ll lose anyway. We want our money back!
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yet another lack of respect to wolves supporters,£42 to see a reserve line up ,these trips cost around £100 all in,what is the point in going.you do not mind the odd player being rested but a complete team what a disgrace, can you imagine any of the great managers giving a game up before we have started.This man will never have place in the wolves hall of fame .Let us have a manager who will put out our best team out, week in week out,he may as well have said you can have the points for this game we will not come. If this is premiership football who wants it. WOLVES SHOULD GIVE THE MONEY BACK TO THE SUPPORTERS WHO WENT TO OLD TRAFFORD,EVEN IF IT BREAKS JEZ MOXEYS HEART,WHAT DOES MORGAN THINK OF NOT COMPETING IN GAMES
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We paid £42 each, 3 of us, to watch a surrender tonight. Luckily we have a banker on Sunday against Burnley, fingers crossed we don’t get mullered.
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An absolute disgrace 2nite. These fixtures r what getting promoted is all about and 2 treat the game with such contempt shows a complete lack of respect 2 the league, the team and the fans. £40 2 watch a team of off the pace fringe players in a game we never had a hope in once the teamsheet was handed in. The pace was exhibition at times, I dont think ive ever been so bored in 20 years watching the wolves. Hope we win sunday or it will only be magnified, pressure well and truly on the players now thanks 2 mick. As for jez, do the decent thing and refund the loyal fans who made the trip. It might show theres still a crumb of dignity left in the game we all love.
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I’m stil on the coach home, £57 worse off! I can’t believe tonight, I’d never have gone had I have known the team he’d pick beforehand.
To make 10 changes is completely unacceptable. The fans who made the trip are livid and rightly so. It’s the most ridiculous decision ever made by a manager. Micks shown a complete LACK OF RESPECT TO THE FANS!
Man Utd were lacklustre and our strongest XI would have got something from that game. If we don’t beat Burnley Mick should be sacked.
I’d be suprised if the other premier league clubs don’t complain, it’s inexcusae abs against the rules to field such a weakend team.
Morgan, I want my money back!
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Pathetic McCarthy.
To surrender before a ball was kicked is UNFORGIVABLE.
You have let both the fans down and the squad of ‘winners’ that were no doubt been itching for a crack at Man U (still leaving 4 1/2 days recovery for Burnley !!)
Tonight you turned Wolverhampton Wanderers Football Club into a laughing stock.
Your masterstroke has now increased the pressure 10 fold for Sundays game.
Oh, and by the way….please remind me how we got on against Blues after resting players against Chelsea the previous week !!!!
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Stan Cullis and Billy Wright must be turning in there graves.
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thats it,i just got back from game,we are useless and so is the manager,im not going again while he is in charge,dident even go over the halfway line,utter disgrace,rubbish,im ashamed to say i support this trollop,ive had enuff no more money out of me,and we wont beat burnley they beat us 3-1 last season,go now get fergie in.
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What a joke, the first team squad may have got a point here. What is it about the current management team that admits defeat before the even run out onto the pitch???
If you can’t believe that one point in ANY game is the minimum you are willing to except, please go and play elsewhere. Sure you will loose games, not an issue, but if you go into a game already expecting to lose – guess what you will lose.
I want a team going into EVERY game expecting to get something – it is a state of mind.
Every inch on the pitch is a battle ground you need to fight for every one of them.
No wonder Burnley and Birmingham are ahead of us. Think winner, be a winner.
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My feeling is that MM did the Club a huge disservice on a number of fronts:
1. He denied his best players tha chance to play at Old Trafford – any decent pro would want to play in that game. How does denying them the chance help confidence and self esteem?
2. Losing 3-0 did nothing for our goal differential which could be crucial at the end of the season. We may have lost anyway if our best squad had been on the pitch but we will never know now, will we?
2. The team has won two on the trot coming onto this game, why not field the best team and have a go? Aston Villa did and got the result they deserved. I thought the idea was to build team confidence- I fail to see how this decision today helps that.
3. Now we go into the Burnley game and MM has a no excuses need to get a win. If he could have pulled off a draw at Man U he would have faced less pressure and the team could have gone at Burnley. I suspect we shall see a cautious effort on Sunday.
The team today did its best but it was a dismal match overall and the travelling fans got screwed. We generated no shots on target despite having some openings.
We cannot survive playing like this.
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All the goodwill from the previous 2 games out of the window!.Is there no ambition at Molyneux? Obsessed with finishing 17th MM throws in the towel before a ball is kicked! What’s wrong with aiming higher in the Premier and fielding your best 11 each and every game.The first teamers would have been itching to get to grips with United after last Saturday knowing they would be in with a chance of another upset.But this was denied them,an insult to players,supporters and makes a joke of Wolves being in the Premier.To take something from the debacle,Mancienne,Surman impressed and Jones was in the picture with some good passes.Not much else though!
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Why did they bother to play the match at all.They should have just given them the three points.’Writing off’ certain games to rest key players and give the fringe players a run out is not ethical and they should be charged with fraud or contravening the trade descriptions act.
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MM your a DISGRACE,Morgan if you have any feeling for this club you will publicly appologise for that numpty and refund 42 quid to every fan that went we are now a laffing stock
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Dumbfounded!!
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You guys are morons….I’m actually ashamed to have you guys as fellow supporters!
Ok fielding a completely different side to saturday is a bad thing…but the performance wor half bad…at times we looked steady and although the goals were with the run of play…another night we could have scraped a draw!
What would you rather have…the reserves been happy by playing at one of the biggest clubs in the world, whilst the first team sit back relax and enjoy watching their commrades give it their all…or our starting 11 getting crushed by man utd, resetting their confidence back down to before the games we won and then making us struggle even more to get back on track. I think mick did right by protecting the confidence of his starting 11….lets be honnest we never expected to get anything out this game
Get a grip and stop changing your minds every 10 seconds…you make me sick!
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first time a reserves game has been show live on telly here in australia!!!couldn’t believe it when i got up at 5.00am to watch the game-ended up nodding back off to sleep!!these guys are supposed to be professional sportsmen!! i’m the head chef of a busy restaraunt here on the gold coast-imagine if i shut down on a sunday nite because my chefs were tired after a busy saturday nite!
wonder what the competetive,play every game players are thinking-embarresing and defeatist!!!
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McCarthy burned a good many bridges with his team selection. On the face of it, his reasoning is sound enough, but we’ve already seen in the Blues game what happens when the Club and management heap pressure on a particular fixture; that’s now the case magnified tenfold for the Burnley game.
But anyone who paid face price for a ticket last night, not to mention travel and other expenses, has every right to feel disenchanted with all concerned, it’s hard not to feel that their loyalty’s been abused- I paid just 15 quid to a tout for my ticket; they couldn’t give them away outside the ground, obviously, Wolves aren’t much of a ‘draw’ in this division. I hope we survive, but there are right and wrong ways to go about it- not sure that last night’s approach can be taken as the blueprint.
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The club should refund the tickets to our fans without even being asked to, & maybe then all will be forgiven if we beat Burnley.
I’m probably on my own here…but I’m going to try & defend Mick’s team selection.
We played very well against Villa, Stoke & Everton but were torn apart by Arsenal & Chelsea. The team that emerged for the Blues game was clearly affected by those defeats…and Mick obviously didn’t want to risk that happening again against Burnley now that were playing well again & winning.
Our strength has been ‘putting a shift in’ & the Spurs game was particularly hard. Another hard game & potential heavy defeat could have prompted another inept display against Burnley & pretty well ended the season.
Mick will feel he’s given us the best possible chance of beating Burnley, and doing everything he can to keep us up by making sure we win the games we can.
So have I convinced anyone who went that Mick was right?
Simon :)
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what the hell is that clown doing????after back to back wins he fields 10 RESERVES,now the premier league are going to look into it for breatch of SECTION E,PARAGRATH 20,WHICH STATES IN EVERY LEAGUE MATCH A FULL STRENGTH TEAM MUST BE PLAYED,A FINE OR POINTS DEDUCTION ARE POSSIBLE IF THESES RULES ARE NOT MET.
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Before any of you call me a muppet, think about it.
We’ve already lost Kightly, Keogh and Edwards for a fair part of the season, we’ve just played our guts out just 4 days ago. What happens if we slug our guts out chasing a result,(as the guys would have),and lose another 2, say Craddock and Milijas, how rooted would we have been then?
Far more plausible to chase the Burnley game, I think it’s a reasonable enough call, granted that it was not good for the travelling Wolves fans, BUT I reckon if we avoid the drop this strategy may be part of the reason.
I await the mass calling of MUPPET, but what the….
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Well the reserves will be getting plenty of matches this season with muppet mick’s thinking. Now we might loose to liverpool and man city so there’s 2 matches the reserves can get ready for.
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Comment 43, you amaze me. Wolves finally stumble on a winning team and formula, form was good, confidence sky high, and what does Mick do,,,,, HE CHANGES THE TEAM! Well Mick well done, I applaud you as the whole league will treat us with utter contempt! We have just girfted Man U 3 points without even trying. I cant understand why Wolves made the trip if you were going to pick that side. Man U, were injury it, 2 recognized defenders, and they came off a loss from Villa. Wolves must play their full strength side every game, we cant afford the luxury of fielding weakened teams against anyone considering where we are in the league. Furthermore, we had a extra days rest for sundays MASSIVE match! I bet you Burnley wont pick a weakended side! MICK just when you started to gain the fans trust you, just destroyed it last night.
JEZ & MORGAN, YOU BOTH SHOULD REFUND THE FANS WHO WENT UP LAST NIGHT!
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Wolves were never going to win the premeirship, but we have to go into every match with determination and spirit and carry the proud
name of Wolves. Dont forget Billy Wright and co
played Christmas Day and Boxing Day without a 48
Hour rest. Mcarthy last night let down badly the name of Wolverhampton Wanderers. He thinks
he,s bigger than the Club. But if you live by
the Sword, you die by it! So Mick at the end of
the Season you may have to fall on it.
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Come on happy clappers, let’s see a*ANYBODY*, other than a total idiot, justify doing that to the fans!
We could have got a point from that game, ManUre were tepid and are in a bad patch and the 1st team could have handled them. That is a point lost.
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53. tasmanian wolf
Thanks for proving my point, you are a total idiot!
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Its pretty clear to me. Mick’s job is to keep us in the premier league. If he doesn’t he has failed, if we stay up he’s done his job.
He considers winning at Burnley more likely than winning away at Man U.
So Mick made a decision last night that he didnt want to risk his main players especially considering the triple injury hit we’ve had in the last week or so.
Serious pressure on the club for Sunday. But tenfold worse if we dont win on Sunday for Mick.
This is now a very big weekend for Wolves AND WE MUST SUPPORT THEM!
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Mcarthys all the talk on Talksport this morning,
99% of fans who went, are phoning in disgusted.
Morgan should make Mcarthy aplolgise or send
him down the road.
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The club’s good name and proud history has been tarnished by last night’s night’s selection. It has also increased the pressure the “first” team for a win. I think it will backfire on us horribly.
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how many of the people commenting on here were actually at old traford? our so called supporters should let Mick get on with it and get behind them.
no doubt the people giving the negative comments on here are the same people who boo at home games when ever we have a bad one or whenever a player is subsituted after having a bit of a mare get behind them and fill molineux Sunday with an electric atmosphere.
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McCarthy quite rightly is taking some stick for last nights team selection.
It is said he made his decision to ‘save’ our first 11 from tiredness, injuries or whatever BUT he has a duty also to the travelling fans to put out a team capable of giving a game to the opposition and clearly this was NOT done – he as good as accepted defeat beofre a ball was kicked!
Wolves squad is relatively small for the PL but even so 10 CHANGES was grossly over the top and come Sunday if Burnley do turn us over – and remember they have yet to win away and when Wolves are involved in those types of situations, we always become the victims – the outrage which will follow will make Steve Morgan’s sleeplessness even more of a problem!
Wolves have a travelling fan base equal almost to any other team and to put out a reserve side against of all teams Man. Utd totally beggars belief!
If Morgan was to offer a refund to all those travelling fans it would indeed compensate them for their time and travel BUT in no way will that team selection be compensated for.
McCarthy may well have the support of the Wolves board but there are many fans who do not support him and after last nights fiasco I am sure many more have also joined that bandwagon.
Should McCarthy not keep Wolves in the PL this season, last nights game will forever be thrown back at him and any trust in this man will drop to an extremely low level even amongst the happy-clappers.
So, Sunday it’s Burnley, can we beat them?
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Cant say i’m very impressed with Mick at the moment, even more so I gotta work with glory hunting Man U nuts at my work tommorrow so cheers for that too Mick.
Looking at the fixtures and other teams around us we’re gonna need some big favours from them to keep Bolton and West Ham at bay.
Burnley is a must win, if that falls through then we truly are screwed.
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So will he make 10 changes after the Burnley game for the visit to Liverpool as according to Mick’s way of thinking we must have a better chance of picking up 3 points against Man City on the Monday, or will Mr Morgan have a say in that!!!
Also i met a mate from London at salford Quays last night for a pint before the game. He paid £60 return for his train ticket plus £42 quid for his match ticket plus over £40 quid for a hotel room, plus beer and food etc, and lost two days off work in the bargain. Makes you think if Mick still lives in the real world or has all the money he has now shielded him from the working class where he once came from?
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Here are some comments from a national newspaper this morning – ‘Sir Alex Ferguson clocked up his 900th league game last night as Manchester United boss – and few have been as easy as this. The outcome was decided the moment Wolves boss Mick McCarthy announced his line-up. It was not so much a team selection as a suicide note.’ AND
Sir Alex said ‘I think with the changes we’re making, we’re not getting the continuity of performance and that was reflected in the way we started.’
So Mick McCarthy swops and changes his teams to gain results when Sir Alex, the man who has won multi PL titles, 2 CL’s etc etc says ‘we are not getting the continuity of performance…’
Who knows best Mick McCarthy or Sir Alex? – difficult one that!
And the comment on the team selection? Interesting that it was said to be a suicide note – I wonder what that means?
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ok it was a joke.but before the game i did expect some changes(4 or 5),not TEN.i’m not micks biggist fan but i can see where he is coming from.lets just worry about sunday.that is the must win game.having 10 fit outfield players ready for the game is better than having 6 or 7 if we had picked up injuries last night.just hope it does not back fire on us.COME ON WOLVES.
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Not much to say after that debacle last night. Only positive point was the performance of Mancienne who kept Rooney quiet and has to play on Saturday – he was in a different league to any other player on the pitch last night.
£42 to watch that team.
Mick Out.
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Get real, mick did right making the changes,pat him on the back for a very brave decision
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We have now played Manchester Utd twice this season and abjectly surrendered on both occasions . In the first match we played a young Manchester team that had only 10 men for an hour of the match and we still lost and this time MM made so many changes that the team would hardly have known who was playing where within the system . I thought , obviously wrongly since I am a muppet who knows nothing about football ,that we had won the right to play in the premier league in order to COMPETE with these teams . I therefore apologise and say carry on the good work MM while I start preparing to travel to places like Sheffield , Scunthorpe , Peterborough etc !!
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It’s happended.
All those fans who were fawning over Mick on Saturday night are back to slagging him off 3 days later. The majority of the clowns on here don’t even go to the games despite “watching it on TV”
What a fickle bunch we are.
Wolves should refund fans and that should be the end of it.
Let’s concentrate on Burnley – if we beat them all these morons will be back to ‘Super Mick’
Back the boys and let’s stop listening to these split personality idiots.
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Micks decision works on so many levels.
1) We were clearly exhausted following the Spurs game. And 3 games in 8 days on the same players would clearly endanger our chances of out running the likes of Burnley.
2) We have maintained the confidence in our first team for the big match on Sunday.
3) Some of the second string have been given an opportunity to stake a claim for first team football. Mancienne, Foley, Zubar grabbed the opportunity. Others, especially Mairhoffer didn’t.
3) We now have a fully fit side to play Burnley. What I mean by that is we have no injuries. It is a known fact that the more tired your legs are the more chance you have of getting injured.
I totally understand the management reasons for doing this. If you take the emotion of the fans and the expence out of the scenario, then it make logical sense.
It is not idiotic by any stretch of the imagination. It is brave and shows we are willing to do whatever it takes to stay in this league.
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Got back home at 2am after feeling cheated robbed and insulted. Muppet out!
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Carnt say i was happy about the 10 changes but i can see why MM did it.It was a very big bonus beating Spurs-3 points we never expected.If we beat Burnley on Sunday then MM will have been justified.With 3 of our first team players out with serious injuries why risk anyone else in a match we probebly wouldnt win?-and last night was a chance for fringe players to lay down a claim for a place on Sunday-i can see MMs point but it all boils down to Sunday now.If we beat Burnley we could rise up the table 3 or 4 places.Lets get behind the lads for Sunday-no snipeing,lets see how it pans out!!! And BRING BACK THE LIQUIDATOR FOR HOME MATCHES-we need an Atmosphere back!!!
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Here come the boo boys!! You weren’t here on saturday! Last night regardless of the wholesale changes (which i don’t entirely agree with) will be for the good of the team and our challenge to stop in this league! Man Utd put 4goals past West Ham’s 1st team on saturday so think about that!!
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This was a joke making 10 changes from our starting 11 that beat Tottenham.
Friend looks good and he deserves a place along with Zubar. Mancienne, and Surman!!
We are Wolves.
We still love them even though we lost :) forever Wolves!!!
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58 – I completely agree.
Norway Wolf – dont pretend you’re upset, you’re happy to have some ammo to throw at the manager. It wasn’t like you went to the game, was it ??
Idiot.
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I have been a big fan of MM since he joined this club and although like many i have questioned some of his tactics I have always trusted his judgement. Last night however was bang out of order!! Football is a competitive game, we have waited along time to get back into this famous league. To play the likes of Man U at Old Trafford doesnt happen very often for the likes of Wolves. I bet that most of the first team squad were well up for playing last night after all thats what every pro wants to do. If they didnt feel cheated then I guarentee that the fans that payed £42 a ticket and travelled to Manchester did!!
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Selection certainly puzzled me – are players as fit as we think are? .
I just wonder how the ones who played at Spurs feel – surely these are the games they want to play in.
Just hope it works out on Sunday.
IN GOLD WE TRUST.
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Why McCarthy was right and why
I support Mick’s decision last night….
1- It has been done before.
Manchester United fielded a team of no-marks against Hull on the final day of last season (Ritchie De Laet and Lee Martin, anyone?). Fulham stayed up in 2007 thanks in part to a 1-0 win against a Liverpool side with the likes of Steven Gerrard replaced by stiffs such as Gabriel Paletta and – horror of horrors! – Robbie Fowler. They did not face any action.
2- McCarthy was trying to maximise his team’s league performance.
In the above examples, both United and Liverpool were sacrificing Premier League performance as they had big Champions League games coming up. McCarthy’s decision selection was motivated by a genuine desire to score as many points as possible. By resting his first-teamers for a game they would probably have lost anyway, he thinks they have a better chance of winning forthcoming games against Burnley, Liverpool and Manchester City.
3- You can’t punish him for having a weak squad.
Big teams rest their best players all the time, but we barely notice because they have 20 full internationals in their squads. There is no material difference between Michael Owen playing up front for Manchester United, and Stefan Maierhofer playing for Wolves. They are both reserves. Wolves should not be castigated just because their back-up players are worse than United’s.
4- You have to prove that David Edwards is better than Kevin Foley.
All of the Wolves players who took the field last night were senior professionals. They might not be particularly good, but they are not children, and if they are in the squad then it seems a mite churlish to deny them the right to play occasionally. In any case, how do you prove beyond all doubt that Wolves’s front-line players are better than the second string?
5- There is no sympathy for teams with injuries.
When countless Blackburn players went down with swine flu, Rovers asked for a postponement. The Premier League politely reminded them football is a squad game, and until they have 25 players on their death beds they have to make a team out of whoever is available. Quite right too, but that precedent clearly means the authorities cannot insist teams pick the same 11 players for every game.
You might not thank McCarthy if you were Burnley, who will presumably find themselves up against the first-teamers on Sunday, but his team selection was both lawful and actually quite clever.
Last night’s goings-on provide proof positive that the biggest games take place at Turf Moor and Molineux, not Old Trafford and Anfield.
Popular wisdom says you win the league not by winning games against big sides, but by ensuring you can take care of business against the lesser teams.
Likewise, McCarthy’s selection policy clearly shows he considers Burnley at home a bigger game than Manchester United away.
So maybe, when managers of relegation candidates describe their season as ’38 cup finals’, they are actually right and not just whingeing.
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Some national papers have really gone OTT, but you cant help feeling a hint of truth in what they say:
“McCarthy is the villain of the football year. At least Henry was trying to win”
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Goldgeezer, well said, completely agree.
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I can understand making 2 or even 3 changes to keep the team fresh, but to change the whole team is just rediculous. We had 7 defenders start last night and only one striker who is not the kind of striker who normally plays up front on his own. which is not going to do alot for his confidence. I don’t think you ever see ferguson or wenger change a complete team, unless it’s a game that doesnt mean anything to them like the champions league when they’ve already qualitifed. Let me tell you Mick, Man U away in the league is deffinately a game that means nothing something to us.
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78 – At last some sense! No wonder our friends down the road think we’re fickle when they read some of the rubbish that some people post on here. Its a long hard season and if we win on sunday that will be 9 points out of 12 immediately after the Blues performance. How can anybody criticise Mick for achieving that?
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78- Goldgeezer, I couldn’t have put it better myself.
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Mick you showed total disrespect to the fans last night!
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I was in a group of 7 that went to old trafford. Full of confidence going up the M6 talking about the team and possibility of getting a point, parked and found out the team news. We all felt totally gutted, just a natural feeling. Then anger, if it wasn’t for Hahnemann, we would have been 5-0 down, 2 shots from rooney point blank and 1 just before half time. Left early, just a feeling of emptiness, still in shock why he fielded that team. Journey down the M6 made it worse, why all the one lane traffic works all the way back down??
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if you moaners could actually think about this for a second…
we beat spurs, great. but the lads are understandably shattered!
i think we have more chance of beating burnley at home than winning at old trafford.
so keeping our first tean fresh and ready for a game thats more winnable is in my opinion a good idea.
If we dont win at burnley then its questionable
…feel sorry for the fans who went up the though and had to watch the second string
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Let us put a few facts on the table.
1 Wolves were promoted as Champions, Birmingham were runners up and 7 points adrift
2 Both sets of management used their skill and professional judgement in the close season to purchase players for the Premiership.
3 Average ticket price Wolves £30, Birmingham £34
4 After 17 games, the Birmingham fans for their £34 find themselves in 6th position with a possible European campaign to look forward to.
5 After 17 games, for our £30 we are delerious about being out of the bottom three for 48 hours and looking forward to evading relegation by the skin of our teeth. Rather like a condemned man being ecstatic that his execution has been postponed for 2 days.
6 Our team is so good that it needs to sacrifice three points in one match in the hope of gaining three points at home from a mediocre team currently in 13th position
All I can say to the happy clappers is – you’re quite easily pleased. Mr Moxey must love you.
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53. tasmanian wolf
Thanks for proving my point, you are a total idiot!
Gee thanks for that Mr Norway.
I will not resort to name calling or dramatic phrases. I have an opinion like everyone else on this site and I am entitled to it.
I have supported this club for ALL of my 45 years, as have my Father and Grandfather before me, whilst being sorrounded & taunted by Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal supporters. I have made the pilgrimage, an awful long way from OZ, whilst we were on our yoyo trip from Div 2 and back up. I have endured the many close shaves with promotion and that is why… I support MM to the hilt, he got us there and in style and until his tenure is up, I will continue to do so.
I acknowleded that this was tough on the Wolves fans that made the trip and I think there should be some degree of compensation made.
I believe that it was the correct decision, though maybe 5-6 players may have been my call, anyway Burnley will be the litmus test.
That is why Mr Norway, I will have my say and I don’t expect to be branded an idiot for supporting my club in the way that I see fit.
So thanks once again Mr Norway, have a great day.
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All Mick has succeeded in doing is adding extra pressure on the Burnley game. Lose or draw on Sunday and he will witness a backlash from the fans that he wont be able to sweep under the rug
Oh well, he clearly knows what he’s doing…
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Well done McCarthy
Well done for turning every neutral fan in the country against Wolves, YOU PRAT.
I was there & it was embarassing.
Lets see what the teams around United do at the end of the season when they are playing teams around us, play the I would imagine if they dont need the points, they will play the kids, I would!!!!
Lets hope we win on Sunday, if we don’t, I think we will see a backlash like never before.
Well done McCarthy for heaping more unnecessary pressure on the lads that will be playing on Sunday, div.
KTF
Wolvesforever
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i have to agree with mick on this one,i would not waste money on going to man u, i did go to spurs ,we had a chance of winning ,i will not go to liverpool no point ,i will go to watch wigan and stoke. point made , COME ON WOLVES,lets stay up
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“We want our money back”, “Where is our first team?” and “Forty quid to watch the reserves”.
How many minutes do you sing in?
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MM is not the first prem manager to do this, Alex Ferguson did it on the last game of the season away at Hull. Football is a squad game these days its not just about fielding your ‘best’ players every game. The likes of Zubar, Jones, Surman, Foley, Iwelumo etc are all coming back from Injury, others needed a run out. Yes, I share dissapointment but also realise why MM put out the team he did. How many of you would be on here moaning today if Doyle, SEB, Milijas had played and then mananged to get injured and out for several weeks? I also thought that the performance last night was pretty decent. Ok Utd seemed to have a bit in reserve but we created a few chances and played some decent football.
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DISGRACE paid 105 pounds for two tickets and coach travel cough up Mr Morgan and ditch clueless Mick now remember no fans no club.
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I feel he has tarnished the name of our team all over the world, and the FA should charge him with bringing the game into disripute.
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My biggest fear is that Burnley will use this as a spur to come to the Mol. and get something out of the game. This could backfire badly on us – bad move Mick!
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I know little about football but it seems to me Mr. McCarthy made a shrewd decision in the long term best interests of the team.
Despite fielding a team, referred to as reserves, Wolves were defeated only by 3 goals… It was a game the team was predicted to lose and by at least just such a margin.
Meanwhile Wolves are frequently the victims of deliberate tactics by other teams… Teams that throw games, teams that cheat on the pitch… So why not, for once, let Wolves gain from a manager with a brain?
PS.. Surely “full strength” means 11 players on the pitch?
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Mick…
When you arrive at molineux next, take a look the billy wright statue.. then take a look at the stand cullis stand.. then stroll down the trophy room and look at our clubs prdoud history… then, hang your head in shame…
If i was chairman, depsite what you have done for us, I would today, ask you to resign.
Absolutely gutted that you have brought this great club of ours down to this level.
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The team’s response after Birmingham has been fantastic with our first two back-to-back victories in the premier league and I never had great expectations for us too win at Tottenham, then Mick was reported in the press in wanting to upset the ‘apple cart again’ for last night’s match. So then he makes the biggest contradiction of his managerial career with 10 changes to play an Utd team with out key defenders and Vidic last about an hour. Yes our first team might of still lost but at what score line? 1 – 0? Would Craddock of handballed like Zubar did? Would Berra done better at defending the Vidic goal? The third one was pure class so it’s losing 3 – 0 to a Man Utd side that didn’t play at their best that has left us back into the relegation zone with huge pressure on the Burnley game come Sunday.
I can see the view of keeping the players fresh but does this really keep our best team from the last two games before last night in the right frame of psychology? I feel sorry for fans who travelled but I am more angry for the way Mick believed our first team couldn’t get anything from Old Trafford, so why play the first team at White Hart Lane? A team that’s been around the top four all of the season so far, if we had some luck we would of won at Everton who went to Chelsea and took a point. Yes I am pursuits football fan and we had side that seemed very eager to take a crack at a current league champions and our manager has denied that opportunity to those players who by all media reports after Saturday had a comfortable day out in North London, yes it was comfortable so what Mick said on sky is a weak excuse.
They are professional footballers Mick they surely can’t be too tired to be rested? Even if they beat Burnley this kind of negative attitude from our manager won’t take us very far, look at Stoke last season picking a point away from Liverpool they also went so close to getting something from Chelsea so why couldn’t our players do the same last night? This was not a great idea for momentum of the team, or some fans may think was, well only time will tell, if we beat Burnley then maybe but this does cause major concern on how Mick thinks about the survival fight, because what is next? Is he going to change the team completely for Liverpool away? Is he going to start this trick at home games?
There are valid points in both sides of the argument but I say, what is the point of promotion if you not going bother with the games like yesterday, Sheffield Utd tried this and didn’t work, west brom likewise still got relegated. The team selection was really against the rules in the premier league handbook paragraph E20 ‘in every league match each participating club shall field a full-strength team’, this I have read in the Times this morning who two journalists argue the two sides of the opinion, one has a quote saying ‘It sends out an ugly message – he lacks faith in his players.’
While the other made the point what difference would it make if it were Kevin Foley and Segundo Castillo rather than Karl Henry and Matt Jarvis ‘chasing shadows in midfield’ well Kevin Doyle would made a difference with Milijas and when Jarvis came on he had the beating of the rookie right back in red. Surman came out the game with some credit with Foley who gave another performance too keep me thinking about whether he could do a better job in midfield than defence. So maybe I’m over reacting then? Well if I paid 42 quid then no it’s not a over reaction, its disrespect again to the great fans that Wolverhampton Wanderers seem to keep on taking for granted, Jez Moxey hasn’t even consider offer something back to us, I’m sorry but he is just a vampire sucking money who for me is no football man, he loves getting on the bandwagon when the good times are rolling but when the time comes for respect back he offers nothing. I like to know what Steve Morgan thinks of this and what do our football legends think?
It is all about opinions so this mine.
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why bother even driving up to anfield. lets save the bus fare and send the points 2nd class mail.
eccentricities are reserved for the uber successful … at this point mick should stick meat and taters
oh, and heaven help you if Burnley is a repeat of Birmingham
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Are the Prem League able to deduct points for bringing the game into dis-repute, surely The Wolves have left themselves open to sanctions for deliberately throwing a match ? We seem to sustain most of our injuries on the training ground, perhaps we should stop the 1st team training!
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QUESTION –
Would everyone be moaning if we would of won?
Get off micks back we didnt expect to get anything from the spurs or man u matches.
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after all the comment on selection it must be very demoralising for the players who took part in the match to be discribed as second rate they did not pick themselves and tried their best.it was not good enough or was it, to lose 3-0 at OT is not the end of the world when compared with other teams.
I also think that MM made a mistake with so many changes but it is his decision he is the manager and should be backed up at the time as should the team.
I have followed wolves for over 50 years and have seen a lot worse than the present squad as also seen a lot better but living in the past is for fools as what happens now is what counts and if we fail to stay in the premier league then is the time to give the manager a hard time not now.
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I travelled up from London on the train (~£80) with my son to see the game (£84) and stayed the night (£91 + £30 eating out) in Manchester. We are both season ticket holders at the Mol. We were at White Hart Lane on Saturday. We’ll do the 225 mile round trip on Sunday for the Burnley match.
I don’t give a monkey’s about what “99% of callers to Talksport” think. We don’t have the luxury of hundreds of millions of pounds that Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City have….they can rotate their players with ease. MM was rotating players to maximise the chances of a victory on Sunday against Burnley.
Our team last night had a better result at Old Trafford last night than the “first team” did at Stamford Bridge or against Arsenal. I’d rather we didn’t have to play the likes of Friend and Hill without the more solid presence of Berra and Craddock, but if it has to be done it has to be done.
Last night, the various chants came towards the end when everything was dying down: the team looked tired (as the “first team” looked tired in the last 15 minutes against Spurs). Initially it was clear that the chants were simply mocking the United fans. After the game, several United supporters suggested to us that we have a “stong squad”.
While both Hill and Friend looked out of their depths (but not much more than Ebanks Blake has looked for much of the season), the side looked fine. Remember that the first goal was from a penalty and Hahneman was very unlucky with the second. Their third goal was sheer class, quite frankly.
I’m disappointed: I took a day and a half off work, and spent more than £250 to see the game. I didn’t see angry faces at the game – even during the “money back” chanting.
But I came away seeing that the ‘back up’ for the main players were capable, had learnt a lot and generally performed well.
If I have any complaint, it’s that Maierhofer is a liability. He seems to have a short fuse and his angry retaliation looked like it was going to land him at least a yellow card. He seemed to spend most of the night rambling around flooring people.
The Premiership is tough and tactics are needed. MM played an admittedly massive risk (not sure I’d have been as supportive had we lost 10-0!) but maybe we’ll have to wait til Sunday evening to judge….
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I looked forward to going to places like old trafford when we were promoted and thinking we might come away with a victory.I now think me and my son should have stayed at home why bother playing in the best league against the best teams when you just simply give up before a ball is kicked thanks mick.
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Grace – you are wrong to worry about what “neutral” fans think.. Anyway, there’s no such thing. I dislike ALL other football clubs (true – some more than others!) OK I’ve a soft spot for Hartlepool, but that would soon change if they played and beat us in the cup!
McCarthy was incapable of fielding a Wolves team capable of competing with Man utd for 90 (+ how many?)minutes. For that you must blame the way the Premiership works, not
McCarthy. The Premiership is not a league in every respect but name. But to get into Utd’s league we need to stay in the Prem.
It this league was as balanced as the championshuip, I would have been spitting blood at this selection. But it isn’t.
This “League” is as unfair now as it has ever been and only likely to get worse.
Any of you who don’t like this, start campaigining for a worldwide maximum wage and tranfer fee, or start playing golf or something…
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Saw the game on TV thank God. If I paid to see the game live i would have been seething.
One good thing is that we had the chance to see the reserve players in action.
The Hoff cant be judged on this game as the service was pretty dire but it does seem that despite his height, he is not good in the air! He didnt win any of the long punts upfield. And the ball seemed to bounce away from his feet everytime he got to touch it. I hope this is not indicative of his general ability.
George Friend is way out of his league. He lost it every time he had the ball. It was quite embarassing to see how incompetant he was.
Surman was very ordinary. Not bad but did nothing of note.
Iwelumo will not make the grade at this level and ran around aimlessly. He may pick up the odd lucky goal if we bombard the opposing goalmouth but that’s not the Wolves style.
However, it was good to see Dave Jones back in action. His class showed through with some great pi-point passes to Jarvis who also played without fear and passed Fletcher numerous times.
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