Who is going to clear up this mess?

Wednesday 22nd July 2009, 11:30AM BST.

GYPOS 1 SL 21A closed-down pub in Wolverhampton which was taken over by travellers more than eight weeks ago could be demolished, it emerged today.

It has been stripped of metal and almost gutted.

Angry residents living near to the locally-listed Paget Arms building in Park Lane, Bushbury, have been demanding action since eight caravans pulled on to the car park in May.

The land has become strewn with rubbish, carrier bags, bottles, cans, black bags, rubble and clothes.

Councillors said metal guttering, lead flashing and fittings had been stripped from the pub and heavy wooden doors ripped from their frames. Residents say dogs are also running around the site.

Councillor Malcolm Gwinnett, chairman of Wolverhampton City Council’s planning committee, said today: “It is in an appalling state.

“All of the metal has been ripped from the roof and anything of any value at all stripped out.

“In my opinion it is going to have to come down because of this. It is in a terrible state.”

City council chiefs said they were pressing the owner of the site to take steps to to remove the travellers, but cannot intervene themselves and speed the process up because the land is privately owned.

And police claim they do not have powers to move the travellers because they had received no formal complaints from the site owner.

West Midlands Police spokeswoman Catherine Preece, who said she believed the pub was earmarked for demolition, said: “We are aware that members of the travelling community have been staying on land which forms part of the now disused Paget Arms pub.

“As this is private land, police are unable to remove people from the site.

“Police have been informed of damage that has been caused to the building, however, the owners of the site have not reported any criminal damage or activity.

“Patrols in the area have been increased in an effort to prevent any anti-social behaviour or breach of the peace for local residents.”

The travellers relocated to the site after leaving land in Showell Road, Bushbury, and another privately owned site they decided to abandon.

The Governments wants town halls in the West Midlands to create almost 100 new camps for travellers to reside on legally, but no council has yet revealed which sites are under discussion.

The old Paget Arms pub building is currently on the authority’s Local List, which means planning officers can refuse future developments considered unsuitable.

The city council will not reveal who owns the land. Recently it emerged that around £65,000 of taxpayers’ cash had been spent dealing with travellers who had illegally set up camp in Wolverhampton over the past two years. The cost is due to obtaining eviction orders and cleaning up after convoys have left sites across the city.

Last year travellers invaded council land 10 times as well as six further occasions on private plots. The average cost each time to get them removed was today placed at around £2,500. The council spent in the region of £25,000 on the problem in 2008, while private landowners forked out around £15,000.

In 2007 travellers illegally moved into the city 39 times – 16 times on council-owned property and 23 on private sites.


  1. 1
    beleaugered motorist

    If you were speeding on the Cannock Rd they’d soon nab you.

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    KSB

    Surely it’s about time we had a change in law to tackle travellers. It’s amazing that a group who have no respect for society, don’t pay any tax and have a flagrant disregard for the law. Can hide behind the very laws that are there to protect people who do.

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    C

    Who should pay? The travellers.

    And then they should be banged up for criminal damage. Frustratingly, we’d be paying for them in prison too.

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    John

    Ironic..accidentally drop little and it seems some people pounce like hawks; set up camp and leave a mess for weeks on end..what’s the betting the ‘powers that be’, were scared of the ‘threat’ of infringing upon their rights?

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    Dean

    “Police have been informed of damage that has been caused to the building, however, the owners of the site have not reported any criminal damage or activity”

    An interesting quote. So if someone had been, say, murdered on the car park and the corpse was in full view for everyone to see the Police could do nothing unless the landowner reported it? Or is it just that the Police just don’t want to make the effort and do something about it?

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    besty

    as always we’ll pay with higher council tax bills,while these parasites just do what ever they filthy like,i’m as the first letter if you went passed there at 3 mph over the limit and threw a sweet wrapper out of the window the cps would have you in court before you could say i’m a diddy coy.

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    sam

    Our society is rapidly sinking into the abyss…

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    Chief Wiggum

    Typical of the Police. They are an absolute joke, no wonder no one respects them. They’re only interested in solving crimes where they can make money.

    The police in this country no longer serve the community or uphold the law. They are a money making machine. I guarantee if this was on the doorstep of some high ranking plod it would be sorted sharpish. They are a joke. Whatever next, massaging crime statistics? Oh, hang on a minute….

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    geoff

    whats happened to the law of tresspas why should we keep standing for this sort of thing if it was a member of the general public their feet would not touch the floor why not confiscate their caravans that might put a stop to it

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    Chief Wiggum

    If this happened near to a high ranking police officers home, it would be sorted straight away.

    The police no longer serve the community or uphold the law. They are a joke, no respect for me? Then i have no respect for you!! The only reason the recently statistically masseged crime figures have shown ‘some’ drops in crime is because nobody can be bothered reporting crime anymore, because nothing gets done about it. Yet, as stated above, drop a sweet wrapper and an officer will be on your back. It’s ridiculous. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. The worst police force in the world, and employed by a corrupt government. I really do dispair for the UK.

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    chris g

    We must find a effective method of dealing with these blights on society, Obviously present laws are not working. I’m sure if they parked themselves outside local councillors home they would be dealt with a lot quicker. certain in fact. Why can we not have a say in how our taxes are used. write to your M P PEOPLE.

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    jeffb

    Typical everyone washes their hands of the responsibility, If they parked up outside the chief of police officers private house they would soon be moved on.

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    Boots

    This situation has gone on for long enough!! I can’t believe everything happening on the site is legal i.e. Destruction of property, theft, public disorder, littering, fly-tipping – I also notice they have an aerial? I presume they have no license for this? Due to the fact they have no fixed address? Etc I can’t honestly believe there is nothing the police can charge them with? Also the rubbish and dogs running around surely this is a risk to public health – can nothing be done in regard to this? I am totally confused as to why they are still there, like someone else said if this was in a different area the matter may have been dealt with differently. Why the councillor is saying that the building may have to be pulled down because it is in a terrible state – I’m sure there is something that could have been done earlier to stop it from becoming what it has (they should have secured it properly from what I saw the back was open). I’m thinking that hey maybe I can just throw all my rubbish on the front lawn and cause my land is owned by me that’s ok!! Anything seems to go with Wolverhampton council. Like they say rubbish breeds rubbish!! I am betting that they are still there in a few months the only thing that will move them on will be when they run out of space to store more rubbish. Is it just me or is it a growing trend for closed pubs in Wolves to be attracting vandals/arsonists because every closed pub I see around here seems to have been broken into smashed/burnt etc why are some people in this city so determined to persistently give Wolves a bad name

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    ann

    the ‘travellers’ are moving off the Paget car park now(8pm), leaving the site looking worse than ever! I think it is disgusting that they should be allowed to get away with it. Where are their fines for flytipping? Then again, we might have known that the police weren’t going to do anything about them parking there, as it was the police who escorted the travellers there from showell road in the first place. Now what is to happen to the Paget? The owners should be forced to refurbish or sell, it is a disgusting eyesore for the local residents and a great waste of what was once a good pub.

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    h

    the travellers have left the Paget Arms car park it is in a disgusting state

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    John

    I don’t understand..where were the owners in all this? I say cut the electric and gas (health hazard), clean up the mess, then the bill those owners. Perhaps the thought ever-escalating costs would speed this case up. This whole fiasco is an insult to the law-abiding majority.

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