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Swain: Put right Cullis snub disgrace
Monday 9th March 2009, 11:45AM GMT.
That’s the trouble with those infernal lists, writes Martin Swain.
You know you shouldn’t look, you know they will more than likely upset you, but, like a car crash on the other side of the motorway, you just can’t help slowing down for a peek.
There was always a danger that the Daily Mail’s run-down of the “Top 50 Managers of All Time” would continuing the air-brushing of one of football’s most important and significant regimes.
But, as cynical as I am about these Londoncentricites, even I thought that such an august organ would not be so stupid, insulting and downright shamefully-ignorant as to not include Stan Cullis.
I should not have been so optimistic. The bloke who won three championships, two FA Cups and came within a whisker of the double is nowhere to be seen.
Yes, the bloke who saw so early and with true visionary zeal the potential of European and floodlit football can’t get a mention ahead of such luminaries as Wilf McGuinness, Dave Bassett, Keith Burkinshaw, Roy Hodgson, John Lyall and Gerard Houllier. Former Wolves managers Graham Turner, Graham Taylor and Tommy Docherty would be ashamed to be on the list while the Great Man wasn’t. But they are.
OK, we know these lists are most probably compiled by pimply-faced work-experience slave-labour convinced football’s founder was not William McGregor but Rupert Murdoch – if not then the condemnation is multiplied a thousandfold – but even so this represents an oversight akin to omitting The Bible in a list of books that have sold rather well.
A squadron of Midlands hacks will still tell you about the day Cullis, ambling in from his Malvern home to be collected at New Street station for a monthly awards dinner, was greeted with a full kiss on the lips and the words “You are the Master” by a brash young junior of his trade. Well, Brian Clough never did low-key.
Cullis was not ‘the’ master but he was a master, revered by Matt Busby, his great contemporary and the architect of something so enduring and special that 50 years later it still breathes passion and fire into Wolves.
Time and time again, however, he finds his name omitted from the roll call of managerial greats. But this latest howler should be Wolverhampton’s line in the sand. Write to the Mail. Bombard them with your fury. We all should. For this is not just an attack on Wolves, it continues the marginalisation of this region’s contribution to the great game.
It cannot be allowed to proceed any further.
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Absolute disgrace the man was a legand, and as for bloody Harry Bassett and the turnip getting on the list what a joke!
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Outrageous exclusion
I question what Dave Bassett and Wilf McGuiness have ever done for football.
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have 2 say ur right pal manageing legendspeciall ova the likes of hodgson basset and co lol
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I have followed wolves since 60′s & it has always been so. airbrush midlands, go for the smoke & these days, north west.
makes me sick.
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People who put these lists together are blinkered and no nothing about football. Cullis should be in the top 10, never mind anything else.
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Absolute Disgrace!
Stan is an absolute legend, he is the 10th most successful manager in English history with 3 Major and 2 Minor trophies won in his managerial career.
Everyone’s always been jealous of how great a club Wolves are and this proves it!
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The purpose of these lists is to stimulate the newspapers redership.
A deluge from ” Outraged from Wolverhampton” will only serve their purpose.
Best ignored.
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Same old, same old again from the London national media. The same media by the way that recently proclaimed Harry redknapp as one of the best managers in history!!! Need I say more.
Stan made Wolverhampton a focus-point of world football in the 50s but rarely gets the accolades both his efforts, and his fantastic team, rightfully deserve.
We all know though. An absolute legend who should be, and will never be forgotten, by everyone connected with the old gold and black.
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Its a joke of a paper and the article mentioned above just proves the point.
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I know nothing about that list , how it was compiled or by whom . That Stan Cullis was not included when the likes of McGuiness and Bassett were indicates to me the compilers are not to be taken seriously and the list worthless . Those with knowledge of football history will be fully aware of Stan´s making of a great club and its stupendous triumphs .
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The Daily Mail is a comic and I don’t read those now I’m grown-up.
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The Daily Mail is a joke and is a paper that I never buy nor will I ever think of buying now!
They even put Hoddle on the list apparently!
We should bombard them with emails and let them know how we feel about the snub to the great man!
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Take no notice of the Daily Hate Mail.
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The compilers of the list are showing their total ignorance of the history of the game, or their bias, or their laziness in merely referring to previously published lists and not using their own initiative. Whichever one is the motive, Cullis’ omission negates the credibility of the exercise.
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Unbelieveable ignorance akin to the treatment or non treatment of Billy Wright by most media.
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AS A FOLLOWER OF WOLVES FOR 63 YEARS I FIRST STOOD AS A LAD AGE 12YEARS IN 1946 AND STILL A SEASON TICKET HOLDER ALONGST WITH MY SON AND G/SON
HAVING SEEN STAN CULLIS AS A PLAYER AND MANAGER IT BEGGARS BELIEF THAT HE IS NOT ON THE LIST WHO COMPILES THIS STUFF SOME WITH A VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE OF FOOTBALL ESPECIALLY IN THE LATTER YEARS
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Us oldies well remember the golden 50′s. I was there with my Pa when we played Honved, Stan knew what he was doing when he watered the pitch just before kick-off following a horrendous downpour during the afternoon.
The understanding of the English game is what made him THE GREATEST of his time alongside Sir Matt of course.
They will never be forgotten by those of us who were privileged to be there.
Ask the great managers of today, they will remember him i’ve no doubt.
Wolves forever.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1159767/THE-LIST-Sportsmails-10-greatest-managers-British-football.html
heres the link boys and girls, hit em… & forward on
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Nothing more to add as whats already been said.
But a point I like to make is, that no matter what teams do you will only get recognition if your team is either in london, or are manchester united & liverpool.
It shows that journalism in this country is poor and it also shows that its a disgrace to snub a man who is held in great esteem to the likes of fergie, cloughie, shankley & busby.
OUTRAGEOUS!
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What do you expect from that stupid Tory rag.
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want to make a protest that would really frighten them? – don’t buy the paper ever again.
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I cant find the list,is Harry Redknapp on it I do know hes done wonders for the game, and won cups and leagues none stop for the oast 40 years.
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Houllier is on the list. Did he win the title with liverpool….. NO!
I have already fired off a comment to that Daily Mail link.
Just really livid!!
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The omission of Cullis is an insult-but insults come as compliments from fools
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Make sure you register with the “DM” before you post, or you may lose your comments – as I did. (Overall, the “DM” has become a “mickey mouse” product; should we even bother?)
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London should be a country on its own.
There’s hardly any Man U fans that live in Manchester. The same with Liverpool most scousers are Everton. The main fan base for these clubs is again London and the Home counties. Thats probably beacuse no London club has yet won the European Cup / Champions League.
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The first chanting by Wolves fans that I can ever remember on the South Bank was a game against Blackpool in 1964.The chanting was for the reinstatement of Stan Cullis,who had 3 days earlier been shamefully sacked by John Ireland.In many ways our club has never recovered from that decision.
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How can they ignore one of the greatest managers in england, a person who managed at the same time at matt busby and pushed him all the way and won 3 Division 1 titles aswell at the FA Cup and 2 occasions and paved the way for European Football
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“Cullis was not ‘the’ master but he was a master, revered by Matt Busby, his great contemporary and the architect of something so enduring and special that 50 years later it still breathes passion and fire into Wolves”. If that doesn’t give you goose bumps as a WOLVES fan I don’t know what will!!!
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A no-serious paper, not to be taken seriously, though I do think that the the London media have always had a downer on Wolves (listen to the commentries when we are televised) – and it will start again next season :-D
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I have taken the trouble to post a comment on the Mail site. I feel that to exclude Stan from any list of great English managers as an insult not only to his memory, but an insult also to our great club. The paper should publish a retraction and apology.
#18 You share my name how strange!
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Who cares WHAT the pimple faced toe rags in London write? STAN CULLIS was, and still is OURS. Any REAL football fan who remembers the Wolves of the Fifties will be reviled by the (list) formulated by these glorified pen-pushers. The Daily Mail? is it actually read outside the M25?
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Could I add to the list the pathetic number of caps awarded to Sir Peter Broadbent because Johnny Haynes played for the mighty Fulham.
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I reckon the best way to deal with this will be just before kick off tomorrow against Ipswich….
Im all for ‘ONE STAN CULLIS, THERES ONLY ONE STAN CULLIS, ONE STAN CULLIS’
Followed by ‘YOU CAN SHOVE YOUR DAILY MAIL UP YOUR ****’
Theres bound to be someone reporting from the DM tomorrow who can relay the message back!!!
Up the Wolves.
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Considering some of the Managers who have made the list it is also a little surprising that Bill McGarry who took us to a European Final and to our best positions in the Football League since Stan Cullis’ reign is also omitted.
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Daily Mail well “researched” – Just like the other “rag” Daily Mirror with their “Worst fans” rubbish
Space filler articles based on some journalists “opinions” – surprise, surprise best filed under “paper recycle” – Cant have chips wrapped in them anymore :-(
UP THE WOLVES!
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How Cullis and Wright were and are treated in the national press is a disgrace. The West Midlands region is always getting overlooked. You only have to look at the last 40 years and here are some names that had little or no England recognition- Wagstaffe, Knowles, Richards, Brown, Statham, Little, Francis.
We need to stop this North West/London domination of the Premiership. Wolves going and staying up is the first priority!
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Just posted on the messageboard of the mail, Had to revise it a few times as there simply wasn’t enough room to explain all the reasons why Cullis
not only shoul of been on the list but in the top 10 at the very least.
A true pioneer of tactics, technology and gamesmanship (i mean who could really eleive in monkey glands LOL) whose like not only transformed the English game but paved the way for the cash cow that is the champions league today. We will never see his like again and his name and reputation must never be forgoton. Please everyone bombard the Mail whith your anger.
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I can’t believe Dave Bassett, Graham Taylor and even Roy Hodgson are ahead of our Cullis! Our history is all ways being buried by the so called football experts; we were once the best team in the world in 1950′s but course they lock on to Man Utd and the dreadful night in Munich. I understand the need for respect and to honour the players who lost their lives, one of them was Duncan Edwards who past away a few days after the crash, he was rated the best player of his generation who was from Dudley. I respect the history, however it does seem to me that Wolverhampton Wanderers’s success in that era is all ways over shadowed.
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I first went to the Mol in 1953 and sat behind the goals saw all the floodlight games.A fantastic side built with home grown players Stan kept that going until 1963 when he was sacked by a useless chairman.He and Sir Matt were out on their own, but that tells you everything “Sir Matt” NOT “Sir Stan”.
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This is typical Daily Mail. I recall one of their hacks (Jeff Powell I think) openly trying to persuade Bully to move to Tottenham to enhance his England prospects and again critisising Wolvesfans for leaving an England international when Bully was substitited. I thought it was a rag then and I see nothing has changed.
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Agree with all the comments about Stan. A thought occured to me as to how successful would Ferguson, Wenger, Benitez and the rest would have been without the millions that have made available to them.
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Nothing to add to the other comments regarding the omission of the great Stan Cullis. As a regular from 1942 – 1995 I have just succeeded in scraping my 80 year old Dad from the ceiling after I informed him that Hancocks & Mullen were omitted from the top 50 wingers, this news about Cullis sent him into orbit. Irony of ironies, last Friday I received about 6 week`s worth of vouchers to purchase the Mail at half price, guess where they went !!!PS: looking at some of the clowns in the 50 why no McCarthy & McGarry ?
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Come on, it’s the Daily Mail.
Be thankful they have some men in the list!
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This is a good example of why I will never again read the tripe published in this nasty rag. I refuse to get worked up by the ridiculous views of both the journalists working for the mail and the comments of the vile people that read it on a regular basis. They may think they are important but they are not and should be treated with the contempt they deserve
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Email the one eyed cockneys !
editorial@dailymailonline.co.uk
Include a link to this article.
Personally the Daily Mail wouldn’t be in my top 100 newspapers, this oversight is what happens when you don’t set foot outside the M25 or know your football… rag.
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Whjo cares what the Daily Mail thinks, we know better
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The problem with this journalist is that he likes to harp back to the past so much yet then sit there and write about the qualities of players who clearly aren’t up to the high standards set fifty years ago. It’s ridiculous that you are so proud of the past yet then support dire performances of Keogh, Henry and Co.
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Absolute flaming disgrace not including “Sir” Stan. What he did for English football was unbeliveable and what he did for WWFC was even better. I was fortunate enough to have seen the likes of Real Madrid, Honved, Spartak etc back in the 50′s and see the Football League Division One trophy lifted 3 times and a trip to Wembley in 1960. He only missed the “double” by one point to Burnley. What a man a great inspiration to all. here here!!!
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nothing to do with the fact its a midlands team then ??? cockney rent boys
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Living in the south east as I do, I am infuriated by the media on the radio who seem to think that there is only, Tottenham, West Ham, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man UTD that exist in Football. Oh and I forgot Liverpool.
So the North has Liverpool and Man UTD, How about Man City, Newcastle, Everton and Villa.
All of which are bigger clubs than any of the London teams.
It really gets on my nerves.
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we don’t call it the Daily Fail for nothing :)
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I’m not massively surprised with this news, the media is mostly London-centric (see how gutted they all are when the Arse and Chelski are mis-firing), but we as Wolves fans can always hold our heads high… it may be the past, but it was our team that pioneered European Floodlit Football and we were also the world’s FIRST great football club, nobody can ever take that away from us, even if they do try and airbrush us out of existence!
Comment 38. Sorry Lee, it was Major Frank Buckley that ‘experimented’ with Monkey Glands, not Stan Cullis…
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