Happy to look back at good old bad days

Tuesday 21st October 2008, 10:18AM BST.

It was interesting to read the recent letter from Mr Nash recalling the past and how different things are today from bygone days.

I am also a pensioner, and often think back about my childhood days, when we were happy, yet didn’t have the pleasure that they have today with TV video games and mobile telephones.

No-one is starving and desperate, as anyone who needs help today gets it.

We went for walks to the park and played safely in the streets, even in the black-out, with no-one mugging people and stealing and breaking into other people’s property, as they do today.

Neighbours were there for you when you needed help. 

I was brought up on the “poor law”, and times were hard. In fact, everything that I possessed was given to me, but to me they were something new.

We lived in back-to-back houses where you shared the wash house and lavatories with your neighbours. 

I remember going home at dinnertimes and had to run errands, even fetch coal in a wheelbarrow from the local coal-merchants and take the barrow back when emptied, as someone was always waiting for it to be returned.

You never said no to your parents in those days. I used to go with my mom to the pawnshop regularly each week and keep a lookout in case anyone from your street saw you.

They were good old, bad old, days, and I thank God every day for my good fortune, as I now see these times as good times, and I am now blessed with a caring and loving family.

Mrs F Taylor, Lord Street, Wolverhampton.


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    Martin Davies

    Anyone who needs help today gets it?
    Darn, must tell that to the rough sleepers I was chatting with this morning, spending nights asleep outside as there is little homeless provision in Walsall.

    There is help available. If you meet criteria, including being the right age and sex. And if there’s time and space available to give you help.
    Not everyone meets criteria – some slip through the cracks.

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    Rebecca

    It’s interesting to read these sentiments, and it’s good to read a positive spin on things but let’s look at all the things you’re conveniently ignoring in your selective recall:

    Accident rates. Last year death rates on UK roads are at the lowest they’ve ever been, yet you’re willing to pretend it was all wonderful 50 years ago, and people are willing to whinge about speed cameras today.

    Child mortality. Advances in medical knowledge have drastically increased the survival rates of premature babies and cut things like cot death. But of course, we can freely ignore these advances, complain about MRSA and celebrate how wonderful it was to have no NHS, and risk low survival rates when your children were born. Hoorah!

    Survival rates from diseases and conditions that are now treatable. Again, damn that NHS and those pesky doctors and scientist who work hard to save lives so we can whinge about how much they get paid. Let’s go back to no health insurance, so the poor can all die from easily treatable conditions! Hoorah!

    The crimes that weren’t reported because “no-one said no to their parents”. Just imagine the child abuse that went on but was unreported… – is the letter writer saying that this is a good thing because those abused children are respecting their parents? Damn these pesky police officers trying to protect the public and intervere with our rights to fiddle with our children and beat people up without consequence – let’s go back to the good ol’ days!

    Working conditions of the majority of people in factories etc. These pesky Health and Safety people interfering in the rights of rich industrialists to maim and injure workers so they can cream off the profits. Let’s go back to breathing in asbestos and coal dust, because life was so much better 50 years ago!

    Employment prospects for the majority of people born to working class backgrounds. I mean, all these poor people getting good A-level results and going to – heaven forfend – Oxford and Cambridge, it’s disgusting. I want to go back to good old days when the poor knew they were poor and didn’t say boo to a goose, so rich idiots can continue to being rich idiots and no-one complained.

    Social stigma and abuse given to people who were different to the majority in anyway shape or form. I’m sure you didn’t cheerily wave hello to homosexuals, illegitemate children or couples who weren’t married, and probably muttered about “darkies” moving in. Let’s go back to 50 years ago and throw away 50 years of diversity, tolerance and respect, I want to live in a world where everyone’s the same and I don’t have to deal with people who look or thing differently to me and my family, god damn it.

    Nostalgia such as this is dangerous, seditious nonsense. You remember the “good” things that your guilt has conditioned you to recall them as being good and not to question them, when the reality is you were denied access to basic health care, education, prospects because you were born who you are.

    Give me today’s medical, educational, economic, environmental advances ANYday, rather than the bliss of ignorance that people like the writer of this letter continue to delude themselves about.

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    CHRIS

    I think what the letter writer means is that people were different. They all had more time for one another and were more helpful and neighbourly. The changes in todays society stems from the fact there is more prosperity about. People who don’t have always want and some go as far as to commit crime to get it. Yes crime was about when the writer was young but no one had mobile phones to be mugged for. Cars were rare and technology was basically at an all time low. Today is great for all of us with technology but it’s people who change the most over the years in a faster moving world.

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    Martin Davies

    True, 50 years ago you wouldn’t get mugged for a mobile phone.
    But would get mugged for a hat. A scarf. A coat. A watch.
    Or simply your pay packet – cash.

    I’m not so sure people had more time for each other. Took more time, yes. Still 24 hours a day then and 24 hours a day now.

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    CHRIS

    I don’t recall people being mugged for a coat or hat. Infact mugging wasn’t a common occurance then. As for homeless people i’m sorry to say most of it self inflicted. Yes i know some people will say they didn’t have a choice but in reality they did. The choice may not have been a good one but anythings better than being on the street and there are always ways of sorting out the problems in the first place if you seek the right guidance. Can’t say i would have liked to live when the writer was talking about but you can’t have it all can you?

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    FANNY

    Rebecca – as usual is a little ray of sunshine.

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    Rebecca

    Glad I brightened up your day Fanny.

    I’m not saying that people weren’t different, or that there aren’t aspects of society that have regretably lapsed. What I’m trying to get across is that there’s a reason why nostalgia is so seductive: we are prepared to either forget or worse, ignore, the negative things about the past – that’s even if we were aware of them at the time. Think about how increases in technology have made it easier to record and measure things these days – then think about how many “bad” things must have gone unreported or unmeasured in the past. I doubt we’d be all laughing happily about how things were great in the old days if we knew the extent of government wastage, medical negligence, political interference or prejudice, plain and simple.

    We live in a world saturated with information. We are bound to be more and more disappointed with the modern world simply because we know more and more about it. That doesn’t mean the past was better, it just means we choose to remember and forget what we want. Anyone who harps back to the past – people like David Cameron and spinners and liars like him – is living in dreamworld and also insulting all of us who create the world and society we live in now. We’re not a broken society – just beaten up everyday by relentless negative spin, pessimism in the right-wing and mainstream media and silly nostalgia like this.

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    Karen

    Rebecca I think the writer was saying that people respected each other in the old days, unlike this day and age when thuggery, murder, rape, burglary, abuse by youngsters, behavioural problems, rudeness, arrogance, binge drinking etc. seems to be the norm. The good old days weren’t always good, but my goodness me 99% of the British people respected 99% of the British people.

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    Martin Davies

    Chris, a lot of homelessness is not self inflicted.
    A lot of it is down to circumstances.

    You could try asking a rough sleeper for their story. Or ask one of the organisations that helps homeless people.
    From kids who were in care to ex-CEOs, there are a wide range of people who are homeless.
    Without help from the state, or at least quick help.
    Getting a place to live can take up to 7 years – if you aren’t a priority.

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    Martin Davies

    Ah yes, 99% respected. The other 1% being those who were gay, had a child out of wedlock, were coloured, or who was seeing a coloured man. Or were disabled in some way.
    Oh, and including people who disagreed with the union at their workplace.

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    sam

    there is help out there but people scared to change things and a lot if people do’nt know whats out there for them.

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    rps

    Hello you argumentative lot, we are heading back to the 50s thanks to the 2008 credit crunch.
    and inevitable recession.
    welcome back the good old dark days.

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    Sassy

    This credit crunch is, man made.Now will you vote better next time.Its not the poor who are taking all the banks over,its more and higher banks,Its the poor who are made to suffer though.Try listening more and not moaning.

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    woolibuga

    This Rebecca! … Guy/Gal is right about one thing …….. we are much better informed today by virtue of the “Super Highway” and are able to be more able to discern fact from BS! ……

    What this Rebecca does not understand is the fact that we, who were born in the early thirties and who were educated during the dark days of WW2 and who achieved our majority in the grim post war years witnessed a way of life that would put this pseudo life of so called excellence in the new century to shame! …………. As a boy I could walk the streets of my Black Country home town without fear or apprehension, one did not have to nail everything to the floor in ones absence, and one could leave ones doors unlocked …… and very often did! ……. The local area Copper walked the beat and one glimpse of the button on his uniform would ensure that a nere’do well would be long gone!.

    I no longer reside in the UK …… Thank God! ………. and it is interesting that I chose to leave only when we reached the utopia that this Rebecca cackles the grease about! ……..

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    chris

    The poor will always get poorer and the rich will always get richer no matter who you vote for Sassy. I agree the credit crunch is man made, but made by us unfortunately, through all our own greed over the years.Every year shops have record xmas spending and its not the government spending their money its mass credit cards. House prices have gone way out of propotion because we as the public pay the asking price on everything we buy simply because we have to have it. New cars we have to have and all on finance. No i’m sorry to say the crunch is public made.

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    chris

    I agree with Sassy the credit crunch is man made but unfortunatelly made by us the public. Too many greedy years of i must have no matter what the cost. New cars on credit,houses that we have paid the asking price for and helped to increase these prices to an over inflated price now unaffordable by most people on poorer wages.

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    Newbridge Wolf

    I think what the writer is trying to say is that there was a general level of respect that existed in the post war britain when more people had nothing. I did not live in those times but my father and grandfather did, and from what they tell me, things were not better. Domestic violence was widespread, poverty and hunger were epidemic with no health service and little social state the poor lived in squalor. I appreciate that there is more crime reported in the papers and a loss of respect for authority. I would prefer to be worried about the possibility of being mugged than the real fear of not having anything to eat. As the comments go on the homeless, I believe that there are two valid arguements. Most people who end up on the streets end there due to being disturbed, either natural or a reaction to circumstances. It is a sad reflection on modern society, but it is not a new occurance. At least there is help out there for them now.
    What I do believe is that there is a general pampering of society, punishments are not what they are meant to be and the general liberal views that filter down to institutions don’t reflect the real need to solve some of the problems which plague estates

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