Magician put out by smoke ban stunt

Thursday 5th June 2008, 6:39PM BST.

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Magician John Milner is feeling put out after being told he cannot demonstrate a trick using a lit cigarette to customers in his own shop because of the smoking ban.

Mr Milner has been waiting 10 months for a ruling on whether the Vanishing Cigarette Trick can still legally be performed indoors.

But although it has been decided the trick can be performed in shows and cabarets at halls, pubs or clubs, demonstrations cannot take place in front of customers inside his House of Magic shop, Brook Street, Stourbridge.

This is because the rules have an exemption for performances, if venue owners agree, but do not apply to demonstrations. But Mr Milner today said he could see no difference between a performance and a demonstration.

“This makes no sense to me,” he said. “When I am doing a demonstration I have to be performing the trick to actually show people what it is.

“It is also taking place in front of an audience – the customers. So what is the difference between the two?”

He added: “At the moment if anyone wants to see the trick we will have to do it on the pavement outside the shop. It is just madness.”

The trick involves an illusion where the magician makes a hole in a coat borrowed from a member of the audience. A lit cigarette is placed inside the coat so the audience can see smoke rising from the hole. But both the hole and the cigarette then disappear.

Mr Milner said he would now be seeking further guidance but was pleased the trick could still be performed in cabaret and shows.

The magician, who is a member of the Inner Magic Circle and International Brotherhood of Magicians, first asked Dudley Council whether he could continue his vanishing lit cigarette act legally in July 2007.

Officers decided to refer the matter to the Local Authorities Co-ordinating Body on Regulatory Services. The body decided not to issue any national guidance on the matter and Dudley Council then ruled the trick could still take place under the exemption for performers.


  1. 1
    chas

    If he could make ASH or the Government disappear, then he would be able to do the trick. Welcome to LITTLE Britain.

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    Chris F J Cyrnik

    What a ludricoulsly sick and vindictive little society we’ve now become!

    ‘Britain is now officially a nanny state’

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    OrdinaryGuy

    I just wonder how old people have to be before they are deemed experienced enough to make their own decisions in this country ? Why ask the Council – can’t the magician make his own mind up whether to perform the trick in his shop or not ? He’ll be asking them whether he can go to the toilet next.

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    Ed

    I’m guessing the difference between a demonstration and a performance is he’d probably need an entertainments licence to “perform” on his premises, which perhaps may also require a change of use application, and calling it a demonstration means he doesn’t. Semantics and red tape…

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  5. 5
    phil

    what cobblers

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  6. 6
    ray smith

    NEVER MIND MATE TRY SWORD SWALLOWING ?
    HO,SILLY ME KNIVES ARE BANNED ?
    EAT A LIGHT BULB INSTEAD YOU WOULD SHINE
    BRIGHTER THAN ANY POLITICIAN I KNOW
    AT TH MOMENT !!!!

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  7. 7
    mr smug

    fair, in my opinion (ahem)

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  8. 8
    peter smith

    always siad dudley council was a joke this just proves it

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  9. 9
    Antony Henstock

    You wont be able to fart in your own house next without being fined or having the methane police investigate the matter. What on earth happening to this country?

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  10. 10
    Paul Bailey

    Smoking kills. I know. I am a Doctor. If Anony Henstock wants to see a post mortem on a smoker then I can arrange this

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