Woman vicar ruled out by church

ENVILLE EB 3The search is on for a new vicar in a Midland village - but the Vicar of Dibley need not apply.

Church leaders have decided a woman minster could drive worshippers away – and say the job must go to a man again this time.

Members of the Parochial Church Council committee of St Mary the Virgin Church in Enville, near Stourbridge, say they do not want people leaving the church because they cannot accept women as ordained ministers.

And so they are determined not to break with traditional rules approved by the 12-strong committee.

With just nine members of the congregation attending the 11am service yesterday and around seven churchgoers at the earlier 8am service, the committee is keen to hold on to its faithful few.

Former vicar, the Rev Eric Davies, retired early last month after coming to the end of his seven-year contract.

And former rector of Kinver and Enville, 94-year-old the Rev Andrew Collins, has been helping out by celebrating services over the Christmas period but has now fallen ill.

Current rector, the Rev David Blackburn, aged 63, who is based at Kinver, said: “We rely on Andrew a lot at Enville but we hope we won’t have to do it for very long.

“The committee had a discussion many years ago about whether they would accept a female ministry and they decided they wouldn’t.

“We have to respect their view. There hasn’t been any disagreement. It’s been done very amicably.

“Now is not the right time to make a major and radical move.

“There are people who would welcome a female vicar but there are those who would leave and we don’t want people to do that.”

Churchwarden Ann Rowley, aged 68, who is a member of the PCC, supports the decision not to appoint a female vicar.

She said: “We hope to goodness we can get a vicar fairly soon.

“The vacancy was advertised at the beginning of December. We have taken a vote on the PCC that a woman cannot take the eucharist.”

Fellow churchwarden Stephen Morley, aged 69, who also sits on the PCC, said the church had never had a female vicar.

He said: “It wasn’t worth changing the rules for a new set up.

“It isn’t a male thing. Often the women feel stronger than the men.” Choir singer Maggie Talbot, aged 68, is not convinced the job has to go to a man.

She said: “Years ago I would have said it has to be a man but I think I’m changing my mind.

“As long as we can get the right person that’s all that matters.

“We need a person that’s used to country living as Enville is still a bit feudal and owned by the estate.”

Parishioner Anne Stokes, aged 65, who lives in Kinver but has been attending services at St Mary’s for the past 20 years, said the church was in serious need of a vicar.

Regular parishioners at the church include South Staffordshire MP Sir Patrick Cormack, who is also said to be strongly opposed to a female vicar, and District Council leader Councillor Brian Edwards.

Sir Patrick Cormack has been the churchwarden at Enville for the past 17 years and helped at the service last night.

He said: “We hope to find somebody in the course of the next six months.

“There are a lot of parishes in the Church of England which opt to have a male priest.

“Enville is one of these and always has been. At the moment we are looking for a man.”

He added the vote for a male vicar had been unanimous and said there were more women than men on the committee.

Director of communications for the Diocese of Lichfield, Gavin Drake, said parishes were entitled to make resolutions not to allow a woman to be in charge under Church of England protocol.

He said: “Although women priests are widely accepted there are still a number of parishes who are unable to accept them.

“The Church of England makes provision for that and it is a theological issue not a discrimination issue.”

12 Comments

  1. Claire said:

    Are we living in the dark ages still ?

    Why can a woman not be a priest ?

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  2. mavis riley said:

    errr ….. hello? how many of the 9 would really leave the church if a woman was appointed??? maybe the archaic reasoning of this elderly comittee is the real reason younger people stay away … go on give it a whirl it could be the key to future survival of your church

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  3. bazza said:

    Wow, 11 parishioners at the service, bet that took the roof off. WAKE UP! Come out of the dark ages and get yourselves a woman vic’.It could at least get you one good attendance on curiosity value alone…they might even like her!!! Remind me, who is the head of the C of E, erm, some lady called Elizabeth?

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  4. d n said:

    old fogeies ruleing again no wonder the young stay away, parish councils are just to clicky !! wake up its 2009.

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  5. Not a Motorhead Fan said:

    How stupid. Our church had a woman vicar and the congregation doubled in size. She has now left and it is now dwindling again.

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  6. P said:

    What are you all frightened of? In a previous interregnum when the Rector and team vicar moved at the same time, being an ecumenical church we had a lady minister left in charge. She celebrated communion with no bother whatsoever and this was before the Church of England gave the go-ahead for women priests. I think your congregation would learn and benefit by having a lady priest and that the congregation would grow in number.
    Pray about it, God is good and the Lord will provide, nothing to be frightened of. God Bless.

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  7. sunnycouple said:

    Yes,they really are in the dark ages! God Help us please! And I really do mean that sincerely.

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  8. Woody said:

    Maybe this not a case of which sex the next vicar should be, but also the age of the new vicar? A new younger vicar be it male or female would surely increase the dwindling congregation for such a beautiful church. This is a house of God not a personal meeting place for a select few old stick-in-the-muds.

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  9. Rob Dicken said:

    Maybe the parish should post the following ad:

    Vacancy for Vicar…….
    Women need not apply
    Men in frocks, however, are most welcome.

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  10. chrisc said:

    no 7 sunny couple-the dark ages were caused by religion with religous groups being responsible for most of the wrolds persecution today and then. Maybe a female vicar isn’t a bad thing after all. Can’t be any worse than some of evil religous figures of the past can it?

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  11. Not a Motorhead Fan said:

    As long as we get God’s word to the people, what does it matter what sex the vicar is?

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  12. J said:

    Would God have turned someone away because they were a woman?

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